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US military launches strikes on southern Iran amid talks in Qatar

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  1. [2]
    R3qn65
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    I know this is AJ's title, but the subtext is important too:

    I know this is AJ's title, but the subtext is important too:

    “Targets included missile launch sites and Iranian boats attempting to emplace mines,” Navy Captain Tim Hawkins, a CENTCOM spokesperson, said in a statement to Al Jazeera late on Monday. “US Central Command continues to defend our forces while using restraint during the ongoing ceasefire.”

    CENTCOM did not provide further details on the strikes.

    Iranian sources told Al Jazeera that the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) had targeted a vessel at sea before the US strikes.

    11 votes
    1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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      Sure maybe, though at this point I don't trust anyone in this conflict, but also no shit they're doing that and then we bomb them and then we learn that bombing people doesn't make them like us,...

      Sure maybe, though at this point I don't trust anyone in this conflict, but also no shit they're doing that and then we bomb them and then we learn that bombing people doesn't make them like us, especially when we do collateral damage.... Rinse repeat.

      This may be a nihilistic swing for me though so idk.

      10 votes
  2. [8]
    DefinitelyNotAFae
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    sigh Gas had just started to head downwards. I mean this is awful all around but I feel like if I'm being dragged behind the truck of this administration that I can't stop... It would be nice not...

    sigh

    Gas had just started to head downwards.

    I mean this is awful all around but I feel like if I'm being dragged behind the truck of this administration that I can't stop... It would be nice not to have to pay so much to get dragged down the road.

    6 votes
    1. [5]
      mild_takes
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      As not a Canadian and also someone who has one EV and make enough money to afford the extra money for gas in the other vehicle... I wanted to see gas increase further because I don't believe...

      As not a Canadian and also someone who has one EV and make enough money to afford the extra money for gas in the other vehicle... I wanted to see gas increase further because I don't believe America has felt this enough yet. Maybe this is the really mean me.

      7 votes
      1. [3]
        286437714
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        I think it is mean, but maybe unintentionally. I understand the rage, but it's being directed in a cruel fashion. There is absolutely no evidence that Trump supporters are capable of tying his...
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        I think it is mean, but maybe unintentionally. I understand the rage, but it's being directed in a cruel fashion.

        There is absolutely no evidence that Trump supporters are capable of tying his actions to their lives getting worse.

        I don't think any amount of economic pain will make them change their mind, and 75 million Americans voted against Trump. As much as I think this regime is cruel and consistently making the world a more miserable place, collective punishment is messed up. Especially because there's been no point where Trump supporters have reconsidered their support, no matter how bad their material circumstances get.

        I get the impulse, but there are quantifiably tens of millions of regularly people who voted against this and are trying to stop it through demonstrations, primary campaigns, and trying to whip their awful opposition party into shape despite massively stacked odds. Wishing them even more ill when their quality of life is famously shit is not just.

        You can afford and EV and extra gas. Good for you. You're extraordinarily privileged compared to most people, even in your own country.

        But surely you can empathise with the people who tried hard to stop this, and who are still trying, and are struggling to make it week-to-week. What you suggest is a blunt instrument. It'd impact Trump supporters, sure, but they don't change their minds based on life getting worse. And they only employ political violence in support of their leader.

        6 votes
        1. [2]
          CptBluebear
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          Y'all need the Trump variant of this stuff. Because quite frankly, it is. The strait was open before this nonsense happened.

          Y'all need the Trump variant of this stuff. Because quite frankly, it is. The strait was open before this nonsense happened.

          4 votes
          1. 286437714
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            'Y'all' is a misappellation, as I'm not American. I'm also not particularly impacted by the fuel crisis, but I don't wish for people who are actively resisting this regime to suffer any more, as...

            'Y'all' is a misappellation, as I'm not American. I'm also not particularly impacted by the fuel crisis, but I don't wish for people who are actively resisting this regime to suffer any more, as if that'll magically fix things. The majority of people in the US either didn't vote for Trump or didn't vote. I'd suggest that the American political system is well past stickers at this stage.

            If I had a scalpel to make sure MAGA gas prices went up and those who oppose them go down, I'd do it, but that's not how it works.

            Trump could blame this on Hunter Biden's laptop, or Nancy Pelosi's husband ,or tell his supporters we never had freedom of the seas and regulated oil prices, and his base would believe him. They don't care about him being a pedophile.

            They can't link the consequences of their political support to higher costs of living because one of the features of the movement is revelling in anti-intellectualism - cause and effect requires critical thinking.

            6 votes
      2. DefinitelyNotAFae
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        America isn't paying at the pump when I go to work tomorrow. I postponed a vet appointment for my diabetic cat and buying my own glasses until my next payday. I am hopeful high prices will push...

        America isn't paying at the pump when I go to work tomorrow. I postponed a vet appointment for my diabetic cat and buying my own glasses until my next payday.

        I am hopeful high prices will push midterm results left, but I doubt it changes anyone.
        So you decide if it's mean or not.

        4 votes
    2. [2]
      SloMoMonday
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      I think a lot of the global fuel price-cuts is due to releasing the strategic oil reserves to stabilize prices. All the talk of a deal was to calm markets to bring down the speculative price....

      I think a lot of the global fuel price-cuts is due to releasing the strategic oil reserves to stabilize prices. All the talk of a deal was to calm markets to bring down the speculative price. Materially, production is most likely at a cold stop. Even if things went back to pre-war arrangement right now it doesn't look that will even be enough to push through the slow restarting of production and then supply lines.

      And unless the US government steps in and effectively nationalizes the oil companies and considers local people, they will keep exporting the strategic reserve for $100+/barrel. (odd choice given that you're at war). They know KNOC, EBN and the CNPC have an incentive to buy supply wherever they can get it. There is a world where the strategic reserve is used for it's purpose and carry people through a supply shock. But where's the money in that?

      The faintest glimmer of a silver lining is that I can see this being a massive blow to gas cars and force air/cruise travel to evolve, at least outside the States. Hybrids or full EVs have become the norm in under a year where I am and we're well behind Brazil, Mexico, India and SE Asia. Even some of the recovering parts of the middle east are plastering their buildings with panels to reduce grid dependency. Pretty sure Europe, Australia and Canada will start catching up as a necessity too. Beyond that in the 15+ years it takes to start bringing more nuclear plants online, most countries could probably get the bulk of domestic users onto supplemented renewable VPP grids. It's either that or keep the risk of insane people taking the entire world hostage for a quick buck.

      6 votes
      1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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        Sure, but the speculative price will go back up due to bombing increasing my price at the pump, meanjng idk if I make it to work through payday. I'm not actually personally interested in the...

        Sure, but the speculative price will go back up due to bombing increasing my price at the pump, meanjng idk if I make it to work through payday.

        I'm not actually personally interested in the global economics at the moment. I understand it. I just don't care because a) people are dying and b) I still have to finish a stupid annual report requiring me to c) go into work.

        I have solar panels, I cannot afford an electric car right now, it's on my list for the future (even though my house's electric is fucky, there's finally one set of chargers in town that cost 15 bucks a session. Idk if that's good.) I can't afford a car loan right now because I'm paying off a wheelchair van. I am delaying appointments right now while I try to add an HSA to my benefits for next year because I have to start paying my student loans again on top of everything else.

        The silver linings are systemic and that isn't what I'm worried about at all. The only silver lining is if it gets this administration out of office and the Iranian lives lost are not worth that.

        6 votes