44 votes

Alberta voters reject plan for referendum to leave Canada

15 comments

  1. MimicSquid
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    As an American, I'm really glad for this result. We don't need any more local chaos, idiocy, or fragmentation.

    As an American, I'm really glad for this result. We don't need any more local chaos, idiocy, or fragmentation.

    25 votes
  2. [5]
    kingofsnake
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    As an Albertan, well be lucky if this counts as a hand overplayed and (most importantly) a dip too large into the provincial coffers that the electorate throws the bums out next election. As...

    As an Albertan, well be lucky if this counts as a hand overplayed and (most importantly) a dip too large into the provincial coffers that the electorate throws the bums out next election.

    As Americans wake up en masse to their fact that they've been hoodwinked by Trump, may right leaning Canadians also do their best to distance themselves from the MAGA style politics of this UCP government.

    20 votes
    1. [4]
      IsildursBane
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      It is interesting to also contrast this with Quebec, where they have stated that they will not hold a referendum during Trump's presidency, since they do not want Quebec's referendum to be...

      It is interesting to also contrast this with Quebec, where they have stated that they will not hold a referendum during Trump's presidency, since they do not want Quebec's referendum to be influenced by the mess that is the US, and instead want it to be about Quebec.

      16 votes
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        kingofsnake
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        I truly wonder whether the Quebecois has the appetite for that again. From what I understand, their cities' business hqs were hollowed out and they never truly recovered their reputation. I also...

        I truly wonder whether the Quebecois has the appetite for that again. From what I understand, their cities' business hqs were hollowed out and they never truly recovered their reputation.

        I also wonder whether their new government's slim minority will be around when Trump finally leaves.

        Hmmmm!

        4 votes
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          IsildursBane
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          Who knows. I just find it funny how the UCP pushed it through right now with the referendum (since this referendum is not due to the petition that is tied up in court, and if they win those court...

          Who knows. I just find it funny how the UCP pushed it through right now with the referendum (since this referendum is not due to the petition that is tied up in court, and if they win those court cases the petition has the possibility to force another referendum) while Quebec which has a very strong historical tie to seperatism and they see the political climate as not good timing for a referendum

          5 votes
          1. kingofsnake
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            An ongoing saga. I feel like the Bloc leader Yves Francois Blanchet said it best. "Somebody tell Alberta that having oil isn't a distinct culture" Lol. Gold, Jerry.

            An ongoing saga. I feel like the Bloc leader Yves Francois Blanchet said it best.

            "Somebody tell Alberta that having oil isn't a distinct culture"

            Lol. Gold, Jerry.

            10 votes
  3. [4]
    xethos
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    (British Columbia resident, not Alberta, but) Quietly hoping (just) under 25% voting to leave [0] means people realize their minority is not as large as they thought - especially considering not...

    (British Columbia resident, not Alberta, but)

    Quietly hoping (just) under 25% voting to leave [0] means people realize their minority is not as large as they thought - especially considering not every Albertan would vote, but every one that cares deeply (primarily the "Leave" side) would make a point of showing up, suggesting the true percentage that wolud accept secession is likely lower.

    25% is more than I thought, but less an alarming statistic than I was prepared for. Doubly so considering the above: The secession side likely cares more, and is more likely to show up, making them over-represented. It won't matter so much for a referendum, but I think Brexit might have spooked people enough that if it goes further, that 25% might evaporate even more.

    And if I'm being truly optimistic, maybe some on the "Leave" side will wake up to how many of the posts they see online supporting this are, at best, just high-volume posters, and more likely political agitators outside Canada.

    [0] https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/alberta-referendum-live-results-9.7385074

    13 votes
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      PigeonDubois
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      What's the point of doing a referendum where people don't have to vote? There's no way to claim a mandate

      What's the point of doing a referendum where people don't have to vote? There's no way to claim a mandate

      1 vote
      1. Wafik
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        I would argue that 75% to stay and a waste of $130 million is a pretty good argument that the referendum should have never happened. Sadly, the traitor is propped up Maple MAGA and Separatists so...

        I would argue that 75% to stay and a waste of $130 million is a pretty good argument that the referendum should have never happened. Sadly, the traitor is propped up Maple MAGA and Separatists so to cling to power she had no choice. A better person would have just stepped down...

        5 votes
      2. RoyalHenOil
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        I'm not too familiar with Canadian law, but in many (most?) places around the world, citizens cannot be legally compelled to vote, so voluntary referenda are the best they can do, imperfect as...

        I'm not too familiar with Canadian law, but in many (most?) places around the world, citizens cannot be legally compelled to vote, so voluntary referenda are the best they can do, imperfect as they are.

        3 votes
  4. uvt
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    As an Albertan, this is absolutely embarrassing. Answering yes to 8/9 of the other questions is insane! I’m glad we didn’t move forward with the 10th question, but cmon! I had more faith in my...

    As an Albertan, this is absolutely embarrassing. Answering yes to 8/9 of the other questions is insane!

    I’m glad we didn’t move forward with the 10th question, but cmon! I had more faith in my neighbours.

    Blocking immigration, more specifically refugee immigration only hurts our province.

    7 votes
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    Promonk
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    Anybody care to take a whack at steel-manning the separatists' list of grievances, and how they expect independence would resolve them?

    Anybody care to take a whack at steel-manning the separatists' list of grievances, and how they expect independence would resolve them?

    4 votes
    1. Wafik
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      Similar to Brexit, it's mostly lies and ignorance combined with pro-Putin aligned misinformation. Alberta is Canada Texas. They are mad at the Federal government policies for not being pro oil &...

      Similar to Brexit, it's mostly lies and ignorance combined with pro-Putin aligned misinformation.

      Alberta is Canada Texas. They are mad at the Federal government policies for not being pro oil & gas enough and not pro pipeline enough. Canada has an equalization payment system between the provinces to help maintain a standard of living for everyone and they claim that Alberta unfairly supports the other provinces. They also think they could run their own country better.

      They also think that if they separate Canada will still let them still use Canadian passports and Canadian currency. They live in a fantasy land.

      12 votes
    2. [2]
      IsildursBane
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      On top of what @Wafik said, some of the issue is that people are mad at not being heard at the federal level. Plus people do not understand what is provincial vs federal responsibilities. I was...

      On top of what @Wafik said, some of the issue is that people are mad at not being heard at the federal level. Plus people do not understand what is provincial vs federal responsibilities. I was talking to a family member a year or two ago who lives in Alberta and he was mad that he pays so much in federal taxes but that the healthcare system is bad. I just straight up told him that the healthcare system is a provincial responsibility and to be frustrated at your provincial government. Part of the frustration is that the Alberta government has not been running the province well but that Albertans blame the federal government on some of that, because their party is in power at the provincial level and not at the federal level and they just don't understand who is responsible for stuff so they blame the federal government

      12 votes
      1. Wafik
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        Oh man, this is a universal problem. Doug Ford is destroying Ontario's healthcare system and the number of idiots mad at the Liberals for it is astounding.

        Oh man, this is a universal problem. Doug Ford is destroying Ontario's healthcare system and the number of idiots mad at the Liberals for it is astounding.

        7 votes