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Democratic Debate #4 - October 15 2019

This debate will start at 8pm EST. From CNN's website:

It will air exclusively on CNN, CNN International and CNN en EspaƱol, and will stream on CNN.com's homepage and NYTimes.com's homepage. The debate will also stream live on the following Facebook Pages: CNN, CNN International, CNN Politics, CNN Replay, AC360 and Erin Burnett OutFront.

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19 comments

  1. [4]
    Amarok
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    Will Bernie die on stage? Will everyone dogpile Warren? What's Andrew's next surprise? Who the hell is Tom Steyer? Which political career will Tulsi end tonight? Find out right here next, on CNN!...

    Will Bernie die on stage? Will everyone dogpile Warren? What's Andrew's next surprise? Who the hell is Tom Steyer? Which political career will Tulsi end tonight? Find out right here next, on CNN! :P

    Honestly I'd rather the WWE run the debates if this is how it's going to be. I was really hoping for a thinner field at this point, or that if we had twelve candidates it'd get split into two nights of six each which might even generate some intelligent debate.

    If you're looking for a more intelligent panel than television is capable of delivering, tonight is the first debate that The Hill is going to cover via livestream. My bad, apparently they'll be on for an hour after the debate concludes.

    Edit: Hill livestream.

    12 votes
    1. [3]
      Flashynuff
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      If they're going to turn this into a sports game, WWE would do a better job.

      If they're going to turn this into a sports game, WWE would do a better job.

      6 votes
      1. [2]
        Amarok
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        Now I'm imagining Tulsi and Booker whipping out steel chairs and laying waste to the field. :D

        Now I'm imagining Tulsi and Booker whipping out steel chairs and laying waste to the field. :D

        7 votes
        1. ras
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          You know Booker could give a helluva promo if he had to.

          You know Booker could give a helluva promo if he had to.

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    spctrvl
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    How many times is Warren going to be asked the same exact question of "Will taxes go up under Medicare for All"? Becoming a debate tradition at this point. And what is with that incredibly...

    How many times is Warren going to be asked the same exact question of "Will taxes go up under Medicare for All"? Becoming a debate tradition at this point. And what is with that incredibly disingenuous line Klobuchar in particular keeps bringing up about Medicare for All "taking away the health insurance of 140M people"? Like damn, how has nobody called her out on that bullshit?

    11 votes
    1. [5]
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      1. spctrvl
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        Exactly. I think she's been perfectly clear with the "The rich will pay more, the middle class will pay less" line, but the moderators just seem to be on a mission to generate a headline-grabbing...

        Exactly. I think she's been perfectly clear with the "The rich will pay more, the middle class will pay less" line, but the moderators just seem to be on a mission to generate a headline-grabbing "taxes will go up" soundbite. I can't think of any other reason to keep asking that question, it must have been asked at least twice previously and gotten the same answer every time.

        5 votes
      2. Eric_the_Cerise
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        I thought Sanders answered this perfectly on Colbert a couple weeks ago. Paraphrased, roughly, he said, "Yes, taxes will go up, period. If you're going to pay $10k more in taxes, and $20k less in...

        I thought Sanders answered this perfectly on Colbert a couple weeks ago.

        Paraphrased, roughly, he said, "Yes, taxes will go up, period. If you're going to pay $10k more in taxes, and $20k less in medical expenses, everyone will be asking 'where do I sign?'"

        5 votes
      3. timo
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        The problem is that the headlines will say: "Warren: 'Middle class taxes will go up'". From that point on she will be fighting an uphill battle, even though she explains herself quite well. I...

        The problem is that the headlines will say: "Warren: 'Middle class taxes will go up'". From that point on she will be fighting an uphill battle, even though she explains herself quite well.

        I truly have hard time grasping the aversion to higher taxes in the US. Compare the standard of living in most of Europe with the US and it becomes even more absurd.

        4 votes
      4. pallas
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        I feel as though political debate in the US and elsewhere might become far more forthright if regulation banned the quotation of sentence fragments rather than complete sentences in political...

        I feel as though political debate in the US and elsewhere might become far more forthright if regulation banned the quotation of sentence fragments rather than complete sentences in political reporting and advertising.

        2 votes
    2. [2]
      Sahasrahla
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      "Abolishing slavery will put millions of African-Americans out of work!" Okay, a harsh comparison, but this debate on healthcare seems so strange from an outside perspective.

      "taking away the health insurance of 140M people"

      "Abolishing slavery will put millions of African-Americans out of work!" Okay, a harsh comparison, but this debate on healthcare seems so strange from an outside perspective.

      11 votes
      1. Amarok
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        I have the sinking feeling that if I dig back far enough into things American political candidates have said in the past, I'll find more than one instance where that line was used with a straight...

        I have the sinking feeling that if I dig back far enough into things American political candidates have said in the past, I'll find more than one instance where that line was used with a straight face.

        4 votes
  3. Amarok
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    So far I have to give points to Yang. Every single debate he relates the answers directly to the crowd and the city/state where the debate is taking place. Why does no one else do this? Two more...

    So far I have to give points to Yang. Every single debate he relates the answers directly to the crowd and the city/state where the debate is taking place. Why does no one else do this?

    Two more points for Yang for hitting Warren where it counts on wealth tax and Bernie where it counts on the federal job guarantee. Since when does he ever interrupt? Looks like he's finally grown a spine.

    I also have to admit this format is far less awful than I was expecting for a twelve person debate. CNN is doing a serviceable job keeping it all rolling. Less chaotic than any of the previous debates so far. Edit: Nevermind, the peace was short lived. :/

    Tulsi has taken a few shots but nobody is taking the bait. Swing and a miss.

    Damn Pete, Beto has a family. That was rough. :P

    9 votes
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    1. Amarok
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      Thanks, I'll edit those into the main post as well. <3

      Thanks, I'll edit those into the main post as well. <3

      1 vote
  5. [5]
    RapidEyeMovement
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    Why do I cringe Everytime Biden talk's.

    Why do I cringe Everytime Biden talk's.

    2 votes
    1. [3]
      Amarok
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      Don't worry, it's not just you. This race is really about Bernie, Warren, and Yang. The rest of them are just a sideshow distraction.

      Don't worry, it's not just you.

      This race is really about Bernie, Warren, and Yang. The rest of them are just a sideshow distraction.

      4 votes
      1. [2]
        RapidEyeMovement
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        And now they won't talk about Yang during spin CNN

        And now they won't talk about Yang during spin CNN

        1. Amarok
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          Watch The Hill instead. It's better more balanced coverage. They talk Yang and Tulsi along with everyone else. They aren't rabidly pro-anyone either.

          Watch The Hill instead. It's better more balanced coverage. They talk Yang and Tulsi along with everyone else. They aren't rabidly pro-anyone either.

    2. timo
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      Because he has pretty boring ideas, doesn't sound genuine and sometimes starts rambling? And that damn smirk :P

      Because he has pretty boring ideas, doesn't sound genuine and sometimes starts rambling? And that damn smirk :P

      2 votes