I have absolutely hated Monaco F1 since the late 80s/early 90s. It's all about pomp and glamor, not real, competitive racing. I'm so glad to finally see teams and drivers telling us what they...
I have absolutely hated Monaco F1 since the late 80s/early 90s. It's all about pomp and glamor, not real, competitive racing. I'm so glad to finally see teams and drivers telling us what they really think.
The track is outdated for a modern F1 car and even with the upcoming changes to the formula, I'm not certain that will make the race any more exciting. I would hate to see more mandatory pit stops. Ugh!!! I will say I am not a fan of almost any street course and much prefer watching events on purpose built tracks. Give me Silverstone, Suzuka or COTA any day of the week.
More power, smaller cars. Cars these days are so huge, there's hardly any room unless they make tracks bigger and wider even still. Cars in the previous eras were much more glorified karts than...
More power, smaller cars. Cars these days are so huge, there's hardly any room unless they make tracks bigger and wider even still. Cars in the previous eras were much more glorified karts than anything else. Now they are aero platforms.
Crap, I realized I forgot to post the post-race results from Monaco! I usually do it immediately after. Almost fell asleep waiting for the Indy 500 to start. At the same time though, it was so...
Crap, I realized I forgot to post the post-race results from Monaco! I usually do it immediately after. Almost fell asleep waiting for the Indy 500 to start.
At the same time though, it was so freaking boring, that is it worth calling it a race? The fact that I heard pit walls telling drivers to go slower says it all.
Honestly, I think it's time to get rid of Monaco altogether. I'm tired of hearing about "tradition." For the Europeans, I'm not saying it has to go to a new US city. Nor the Middle East. There are so many historical courses in Europe that would be much more entertaining. Replace Monaco with one of those.
I think anything else is just putting lipstick on a pig. A very glamorous and rich pig. Mandatory stops doesn't solve the issues of an inability to pass on track.
I'm gonna blame it on the alcohol. I opened a bottle of Champagne like 30min into the race, so like 9:30am, because it was so boring. But no, all good here. Appreciate the concern though. I'll...
I'm gonna blame it on the alcohol. I opened a bottle of Champagne like 30min into the race, so like 9:30am, because it was so boring.
But no, all good here. Appreciate the concern though. I'll make sure to get back to it for Montreal!
On another note, this year's Indy 500 was one of the most exciting races I can remember watching. All the strategy and passing on the last half of the race made up for some very early wrecks and...
On another note, this year's Indy 500 was one of the most exciting races I can remember watching. All the strategy and passing on the last half of the race made up for some very early wrecks and caution laps. And Pato's post race interview was heart wrenching. It earned the title "greatest spectacle in racing" this year.
I think people sleep on the American racing disciplines but Nascar and Indycar both tend to be more exciting (depending on the track) then F1. I wish they'd allow Nascar to go just a tad faster, or to make more adjustments for the road courses. The Nascar road course races kind of feel like watching minivans race, but the super speedway races are so fun to watch.
I always look forward to this weekend because you have Indy 500, Coca Cola 600, and Monaco all on one day. But honestly Monaco has typically been there for background noise on the TV while we do other things and occasionally look up and say "woah those are some big yachts".
The last two laps, oh my god. I really thought Pato had it in the bag this time. But nope, Newgarden took it right at the end. And what a move that was! I have been hearing that IndyCar viewership...
The last two laps, oh my god. I really thought Pato had it in the bag this time. But nope, Newgarden took it right at the end. And what a move that was!
I have been hearing that IndyCar viewership and even attendance is up. For attendance, that's probably more Americans going to the races, which is good (I want go to Laguna Seca so bad, but the timing never works out). But I'm hoping overall viewership is also capturing more of the international segment, too.
I like F1 a lot. I started with F1 back in 2021, which led me to other series, including IndyCar in 2022/23. And I'm still most interested in F1. But honestly, IndyCar has much better racing. It's way more unpredictable. And more exciting.
Yeah it was an outstanding move. The patience to wait until he thought Newgarden wouldn't be have time to draft before the end anyway and then making the perfect move and still getting beat. I...
Yeah it was an outstanding move. The patience to wait until he thought Newgarden wouldn't be have time to draft before the end anyway and then making the perfect move and still getting beat. I laughed! I cried! I felt like I was watching a movie.
I haven't seriously watched F1 in years so I am not a good source of information. I like watching the highlights but all the news just makes it seem so bad. Hearing about the stuff they did in Las Vegas reminded me of the IOC officials demanding roads closed and police convoys to get from the airport to the hotel. Just disgustingly pretentious and inconsiderate of locals when your event comes to town.
Sorry if Monaco's circuit is a tired topic in the F1 community, but I am interested in any reading that folks might have about what measures have been taken or could be taken to address the issues...
Sorry if Monaco's circuit is a tired topic in the F1 community, but I am interested in any reading that folks might have about what measures have been taken or could be taken to address the issues mentioned by the article (or mentioned elsewhere).
Monaco has been boring for a long time. It's just pomp for rich people to park their yachts in the harbor for status. If they want to make a small track interesting again and with all the cost...
Monaco has been boring for a long time. It's just pomp for rich people to park their yachts in the harbor for status.
If they want to make a small track interesting again and with all the cost cutting they say they want to do, they should just requires the cars to be 60% the length they are now and about 80% of the width. They're currently the size of a Chevy Suburban. That's a whole lot of real estate they wouldn't have to spend money on developing if the cars were smaller.
I was about to say that - if driverd have to drive a train on such track then it will behave like a train. It's not that the track is unfit for modern cars. The moderny cars are unfit for this...
I was about to say that - if driverd have to drive a train on such track then it will behave like a train.
It's not that the track is unfit for modern cars. The moderny cars are unfit for this track. They are not those small agile lightweight overpowered cars anymore. I don't even watch F1 today as it became something I don't want to watch. Someone herementions lower class formula series and I believe it will be much more fun to watch those.
Make them race in superkarts at Monaco. F1 cars are far too massive.
I am interested in any reading that folks might have about what measures have been taken or could be taken to address the issues mentioned by the article (or mentioned elsewhere).
Make them race in superkarts at Monaco. F1 cars are far too massive.
The cars are too big. F2 and F3 had decent races. I saw an FE race there last year or so and it was also great, and those cars are only a few inches shorter.
The cars are too big. F2 and F3 had decent races. I saw an FE race there last year or so and it was also great, and those cars are only a few inches shorter.
While I haven't watched the F2 and F3 races yet from over the weekend, I know there were some big incidents from the junior series. But as far as decent racing, is it really because of smaller...
While I haven't watched the F2 and F3 races yet from over the weekend, I know there were some big incidents from the junior series. But as far as decent racing, is it really because of smaller cars? Or is it because F2 and F3 drivers are inexperienced and sometimes drive like they have nothing/everything to lose, and do unexpected things?
Idk. I have a hard time believing that a few inches either way is really going to affect things that greatly. I was reading some comments on reddit where people mentioned drivers complaining about the large car sizes since the 70s and 80s. Seems like significant size decreases would be needed that may not be acceptable at all anymore, particularly for driver safety reasons.
hahaha you gotta watch F3 -- even just the first two laps. Its a total gong show every time. F2 is a nice balance between chaos and sport. The feature races and sprints are always worth a watch,...
hahaha you gotta watch F3 -- even just the first two laps. Its a total gong show every time. F2 is a nice balance between chaos and sport. The feature races and sprints are always worth a watch, to be honest.
Watch a race -- either F2 or F3 on Monaco and you'll see the difference. The cars just fit compared to F1.
Alright I'll give it a watch this week. I usually watch during the weekend, but over the weekend, I was really like, "Do I really want to stay up til/wake up at 4am for the F2/F3 race?" Definitely...
Alright I'll give it a watch this week. I usually watch during the weekend, but over the weekend, I was really like, "Do I really want to stay up til/wake up at 4am for the F2/F3 race?" Definitely a little harder to watch the support series when they're in Europe!
They should change into a special format instead of a race. Make it a head-to-head knockout system where both drivers do a single lap, fastest one goes to the next round. When two drivers are left...
They should change into a special format instead of a race. Make it a head-to-head knockout system where both drivers do a single lap, fastest one goes to the next round. When two drivers are left they battle it out for the win. Surely that will be exciting since it is lots of all-out laps close to the barriers.
I have absolutely hated Monaco F1 since the late 80s/early 90s. It's all about pomp and glamor, not real, competitive racing. I'm so glad to finally see teams and drivers telling us what they really think.
The track is outdated for a modern F1 car and even with the upcoming changes to the formula, I'm not certain that will make the race any more exciting. I would hate to see more mandatory pit stops. Ugh!!! I will say I am not a fan of almost any street course and much prefer watching events on purpose built tracks. Give me Silverstone, Suzuka or COTA any day of the week.
More power, smaller cars. Cars these days are so huge, there's hardly any room unless they make tracks bigger and wider even still. Cars in the previous eras were much more glorified karts than anything else. Now they are aero platforms.
How much of the size is related to driver safety?
Surely has something to do with it, that said, I bet reducing weight also reduces moving mass and therefore kinetic force at impact.
Crap, I realized I forgot to post the post-race results from Monaco! I usually do it immediately after. Almost fell asleep waiting for the Indy 500 to start.
At the same time though, it was so freaking boring, that is it worth calling it a race? The fact that I heard pit walls telling drivers to go slower says it all.
Honestly, I think it's time to get rid of Monaco altogether. I'm tired of hearing about "tradition." For the Europeans, I'm not saying it has to go to a new US city. Nor the Middle East. There are so many historical courses in Europe that would be much more entertaining. Replace Monaco with one of those.
I think anything else is just putting lipstick on a pig. A very glamorous and rich pig. Mandatory stops doesn't solve the issues of an inability to pass on track.
I was waiting to see if you did your usual post! I hope all is well and that you were just busy!
I'm gonna blame it on the alcohol. I opened a bottle of Champagne like 30min into the race, so like 9:30am, because it was so boring.
But no, all good here. Appreciate the concern though. I'll make sure to get back to it for Montreal!
On another note, this year's Indy 500 was one of the most exciting races I can remember watching. All the strategy and passing on the last half of the race made up for some very early wrecks and caution laps. And Pato's post race interview was heart wrenching. It earned the title "greatest spectacle in racing" this year.
I think people sleep on the American racing disciplines but Nascar and Indycar both tend to be more exciting (depending on the track) then F1. I wish they'd allow Nascar to go just a tad faster, or to make more adjustments for the road courses. The Nascar road course races kind of feel like watching minivans race, but the super speedway races are so fun to watch.
I always look forward to this weekend because you have Indy 500, Coca Cola 600, and Monaco all on one day. But honestly Monaco has typically been there for background noise on the TV while we do other things and occasionally look up and say "woah those are some big yachts".
The last two laps, oh my god. I really thought Pato had it in the bag this time. But nope, Newgarden took it right at the end. And what a move that was!
I have been hearing that IndyCar viewership and even attendance is up. For attendance, that's probably more Americans going to the races, which is good (I want go to Laguna Seca so bad, but the timing never works out). But I'm hoping overall viewership is also capturing more of the international segment, too.
I like F1 a lot. I started with F1 back in 2021, which led me to other series, including IndyCar in 2022/23. And I'm still most interested in F1. But honestly, IndyCar has much better racing. It's way more unpredictable. And more exciting.
Yeah it was an outstanding move. The patience to wait until he thought Newgarden wouldn't be have time to draft before the end anyway and then making the perfect move and still getting beat. I laughed! I cried! I felt like I was watching a movie.
I haven't seriously watched F1 in years so I am not a good source of information. I like watching the highlights but all the news just makes it seem so bad. Hearing about the stuff they did in Las Vegas reminded me of the IOC officials demanding roads closed and police convoys to get from the airport to the hotel. Just disgustingly pretentious and inconsiderate of locals when your event comes to town.
Sorry if Monaco's circuit is a tired topic in the F1 community, but I am interested in any reading that folks might have about what measures have been taken or could be taken to address the issues mentioned by the article (or mentioned elsewhere).
I was about to say that - if driverd have to drive a train on such track then it will behave like a train.
It's not that the track is unfit for modern cars. The moderny cars are unfit for this track. They are not those small agile lightweight overpowered cars anymore. I don't even watch F1 today as it became something I don't want to watch. Someone herementions lower class formula series and I believe it will be much more fun to watch those.
Make them race in superkarts at Monaco. F1 cars are far too massive.
The cars are too big. F2 and F3 had decent races. I saw an FE race there last year or so and it was also great, and those cars are only a few inches shorter.
While I haven't watched the F2 and F3 races yet from over the weekend, I know there were some big incidents from the junior series. But as far as decent racing, is it really because of smaller cars? Or is it because F2 and F3 drivers are inexperienced and sometimes drive like they have nothing/everything to lose, and do unexpected things?
Idk. I have a hard time believing that a few inches either way is really going to affect things that greatly. I was reading some comments on reddit where people mentioned drivers complaining about the large car sizes since the 70s and 80s. Seems like significant size decreases would be needed that may not be acceptable at all anymore, particularly for driver safety reasons.
hahaha you gotta watch F3 -- even just the first two laps. Its a total gong show every time. F2 is a nice balance between chaos and sport. The feature races and sprints are always worth a watch, to be honest.
Watch a race -- either F2 or F3 on Monaco and you'll see the difference. The cars just fit compared to F1.
Alright I'll give it a watch this week. I usually watch during the weekend, but over the weekend, I was really like, "Do I really want to stay up til/wake up at 4am for the F2/F3 race?" Definitely a little harder to watch the support series when they're in Europe!
I rarely watch any of this live due to the timing. If you're into MotoGP, Moto3 is also worth watching every time.
I mean, Magnussen's driving this year exemplifies that this is hardly a problem absent from F1.
They should change into a special format instead of a race. Make it a head-to-head knockout system where both drivers do a single lap, fastest one goes to the next round. When two drivers are left they battle it out for the win. Surely that will be exciting since it is lots of all-out laps close to the barriers.