"Oh hey, I haven't heard about incels in a long time. I wonder if they've managed to detoxify their community at all, and maybe get rid of the misogynist elements." Reads the tweets in this...
"Oh hey, I haven't heard about incels in a long time. I wonder if they've managed to detoxify their community at all, and maybe get rid of the misogynist elements."
Reads the tweets in this article
"Oh hey, I'm glad I haven't heard about incels in a long time."
WTF is wrong with these people!? What kind of "movement" do they think they have that he's betraying? As far as I can tell all they do is sit around being sad and angry with themselves and...
WTF is wrong with these people!?
What kind of "movement" do they think they have that he's betraying? As far as I can tell all they do is sit around being sad and angry with themselves and society. That's not a movement that's just sad-sacks having a pity party.
As a 31-year-old autistic male virgin myself, I hate it when people look at the incel community and insist their rampant misogyny is the sole reason why nobody wants to have sex with them. It's...
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As a 31-year-old autistic male virgin myself, I hate it when people look at the incel community and insist their rampant misogyny is the sole reason why nobody wants to have sex with them. It's like when Fox News dogpiled on an /r/antiwork moderator because they found out he doesn't work a full time job and walks dogs in his spare time - as if this was the "GOTCHA" moment that discredited the entire movement.
For every man that has joined an incel forum and fallen so far down the rabbit-hole that they've turned into a radicalized self-loathing misogynist that worships and places mass shooters on a pedestal, there's probably about two hundred others who can't get laid and are too afraid to speak up due to fear of reprisal. I am one of those in the silent majority. I cannot find a sexual partner yet I look at the manosphere's rampant misogyny, ultra-conservative values and worship of school shooters with such disgust that I would never associate myself with the incel community. Yet I don't talk about problems with my love life (or lack thereof) anymore because I've learned over the years that people are judgement-as-fuck about it. There are a lot of people who treat virginity and low body-counts as a mark of shame for a man.
On a related note, another thing I hate is how the word "incel" has become a catch-all insult towards a low-value or misogynistic man.
Case-in-point: Andrew Tate has been dubbed 'The Incel King' by his haters when the man has gone on record to say that virgins are one of the five groups of men he would never associate with. Also, how many incels do you know with the level of charisma that Tate has, who can live like a millionaire playboy, owns 16 Bugatti's, runs a cam girl/alleged human sex trafficking operation, and a multi-level marketing scheme masquerading as an online course program (which is basically what Hustler's University The Real World is. It's just his own brand of snake oil that is mainly there to dupe people into giving him money and creating sub-channels to promote his content online for referral bonuses, which is why mainstream social media cancelling him hasn't worked and why clips of him are EVERYWHERE.)
What kind of "movement" do they think they have that he's betraying? As far as I can tell all they do is sit around being sad and angry with themselves and society. That's not a movement that's just sad-sacks having a pity party.
I agree in the respect that:
Radical misogyny is not helping their public image.
Throwing the largest online pity party on Earth is counter-intuitive to getting you out of this rut.
But we are talking about just one subset of the greater manosphere, which consists of several movements/philosophies that have taken radically different approaches to the perceived injustices against men that modern society have created. Red Pillers learn pick-up and seduction strategy, MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) withdraw themselves from relationships entirely and MRA's (Men's Rights Activists) are the activists campaigning, often to public ridicule. These movements share one thing in common - misogynistic rhetoric.
Incels are the frustrated, mentally ill men who have gone too far in the deep-end and been so radicalised by the misogynistic echo-chamber that they're a genuine danger to society.
In my opinion inceldom is an economic problem first and foremost. Wage inequality has impoverished people to the point where we've created a predominantly male underclass. I state male because despite our efforts to create an egalitarian society, we are still hardwired to find certain traits attractive in a sexual partner, and it just so happens that status is a big attractor for men. If you have men still living with their parents by their late twenties because they can't even afford a place to rent for instance, it's going to be a social death sentence for them.
Are they really angry at themselves and society? From what I've seen whenever I have taken a peek into their various communities they seem to be almost exclusively directing their anger at women,...
being sad and angry with themselves and society.
Are they really angry at themselves and society? From what I've seen whenever I have taken a peek into their various communities they seem to be almost exclusively directing their anger at women, blaming them for all their issues.
I think women are the primary target, but there is a large component of self-loathing and blame of society. For the former, Elliot Rogers blaming the Asian side of his parentage for women...
I think women are the primary target, but there is a large component of self-loathing and blame of society. For the former, Elliot Rogers blaming the Asian side of his parentage for women rejecting him or statements of how things like a weak jaw condemn you to be an incel. For the societal things like blaming perceived promiscuity from modern sex norms or wanting "state-appointed girlfriends".
I’m confused at the premise. Isn’t the In in Incel “involuntary”? Like they’re not monks, the whole point is that if they could have sex, they would? How are you betraying the “movement”? It would...
I’m confused at the premise. Isn’t the In in Incel “involuntary”? Like they’re not monks, the whole point is that if they could have sex, they would? How are you betraying the “movement”? It would seem the only way to betray it would be to actually become monk (then you are a voluntary celibate).
The brief history I've heard was the popularizer was a woman who was a late bloomer/in a demanding school situation who made a support group for lonely people. The healthy people eventually moved...
The brief history I've heard was the popularizer was a woman who was a late bloomer/in a demanding school situation who made a support group for lonely people. The healthy people eventually moved on and left the site, leaving an increasingly toxic group of people with an increasingly long history of failure.
For the incel culture that emerged from those that remained I've heard the term suicide cult used a few times to describe it. They find comfort in the worldview that they are permanently incels and that it isn't their fault: it's women, society, their genetics, or some other spot of unluckiness. The alternative would be accepting that they are doing something wrong, and maybe some feel that occasionally, but it's a sort of high-energy state that wants to collapse.
You find the standard cult practices. Specialized language that make you feel like you have some hidden insights while also alienating you from outsiders. Absolute and simple answers to a complex reality. Acknowledgement from a community that--topically-- hinges on reinforcing their worldview. The worldview for incels roughly being that there is no hope for them and the women/society responsible for that should suffer.
"Oh hey, I haven't heard about incels in a long time. I wonder if they've managed to detoxify their community at all, and maybe get rid of the misogynist elements."
Reads the tweets in this article
"Oh hey, I'm glad I haven't heard about incels in a long time."
Kif...
I was thinking hey, good for this guy at least for changing his stance, then I read the final paragraph.
WTF is wrong with these people!?
What kind of "movement" do they think they have that he's betraying? As far as I can tell all they do is sit around being sad and angry with themselves and society. That's not a movement that's just sad-sacks having a pity party.
As a 31-year-old autistic male virgin myself, I hate it when people look at the incel community and insist their rampant misogyny is the sole reason why nobody wants to have sex with them. It's like when Fox News dogpiled on an /r/antiwork moderator because they found out he doesn't work a full time job and walks dogs in his spare time - as if this was the "GOTCHA" moment that discredited the entire movement.
For every man that has joined an incel forum and fallen so far down the rabbit-hole that they've turned into a radicalized self-loathing misogynist that worships and places mass shooters on a pedestal, there's probably about two hundred others who can't get laid and are too afraid to speak up due to fear of reprisal. I am one of those in the silent majority. I cannot find a sexual partner yet I look at the manosphere's rampant misogyny, ultra-conservative values and worship of school shooters with such disgust that I would never associate myself with the incel community. Yet I don't talk about problems with my love life (or lack thereof) anymore because I've learned over the years that people are judgement-as-fuck about it. There are a lot of people who treat virginity and low body-counts as a mark of shame for a man.
On a related note, another thing I hate is how the word "incel" has become a catch-all insult towards a low-value or misogynistic man.
Case-in-point: Andrew Tate has been dubbed 'The Incel King' by his haters when the man has gone on record to say that virgins are one of the five groups of men he would never associate with. Also, how many incels do you know with the level of charisma that Tate has, who can live like a millionaire playboy, owns 16 Bugatti's, runs a cam girl/alleged human sex trafficking operation, and a multi-level marketing scheme masquerading as an online course program (which is basically what
Hustler's UniversityThe Real World is. It's just his own brand of snake oil that is mainly there to dupe people into giving him money and creating sub-channels to promote his content online for referral bonuses, which is why mainstream social media cancelling him hasn't worked and why clips of him are EVERYWHERE.)I agree in the respect that:
But we are talking about just one subset of the greater manosphere, which consists of several movements/philosophies that have taken radically different approaches to the perceived injustices against men that modern society have created. Red Pillers learn pick-up and seduction strategy, MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) withdraw themselves from relationships entirely and MRA's (Men's Rights Activists) are the activists campaigning, often to public ridicule. These movements share one thing in common - misogynistic rhetoric.
Incels are the frustrated, mentally ill men who have gone too far in the deep-end and been so radicalised by the misogynistic echo-chamber that they're a genuine danger to society.
They're a problem we need to stop ignoring and properly address. Firstly because male virginity is skyrocketing, according to a University of Chicago survery, 27% of American men aged between 18 and 30 have had no sexual partners since turning 18, compared to 8% of women. Secondly, our attempts to purge them from mainstream social media and sic law enforcement on forums hosting extreme content is like playing a game of whack-a-mole. For every board or subreddit you shut down, another two are gonna take its place.
In my opinion inceldom is an economic problem first and foremost. Wage inequality has impoverished people to the point where we've created a predominantly male underclass. I state male because despite our efforts to create an egalitarian society, we are still hardwired to find certain traits attractive in a sexual partner, and it just so happens that status is a big attractor for men. If you have men still living with their parents by their late twenties because they can't even afford a place to rent for instance, it's going to be a social death sentence for them.
Are they really angry at themselves and society? From what I've seen whenever I have taken a peek into their various communities they seem to be almost exclusively directing their anger at women, blaming them for all their issues.
That's just them externalizing their self-hate at a socially acceptable target.
I think women are the primary target, but there is a large component of self-loathing and blame of society. For the former, Elliot Rogers blaming the Asian side of his parentage for women rejecting him or statements of how things like a weak jaw condemn you to be an incel. For the societal things like blaming perceived promiscuity from modern sex norms or wanting "state-appointed girlfriends".
I’m confused at the premise. Isn’t the In in Incel “involuntary”? Like they’re not monks, the whole point is that if they could have sex, they would? How are you betraying the “movement”? It would seem the only way to betray it would be to actually become monk (then you are a voluntary celibate).
The brief history I've heard was the popularizer was a woman who was a late bloomer/in a demanding school situation who made a support group for lonely people. The healthy people eventually moved on and left the site, leaving an increasingly toxic group of people with an increasingly long history of failure.
For the incel culture that emerged from those that remained I've heard the term suicide cult used a few times to describe it. They find comfort in the worldview that they are permanently incels and that it isn't their fault: it's women, society, their genetics, or some other spot of unluckiness. The alternative would be accepting that they are doing something wrong, and maybe some feel that occasionally, but it's a sort of high-energy state that wants to collapse.
You find the standard cult practices. Specialized language that make you feel like you have some hidden insights while also alienating you from outsiders. Absolute and simple answers to a complex reality. Acknowledgement from a community that--topically-- hinges on reinforcing their worldview. The worldview for incels roughly being that there is no hope for them and the women/society responsible for that should suffer.
Coming to a /r/HobbyDrama thread near you soon. Always fun to see people taking themselves way too seriously implode.