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Twitter’s future is a return to Elon Musk’s past

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  1. Sodliddesu
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    The original idea seemed to be an online bank... Which exists now. Then the idea became a total 'one stop shop' app which, given Musk's current 'brand', will likely be a one stop shop for OAN and...

    The original idea seemed to be an online bank... Which exists now.

    Then the idea became a total 'one stop shop' app which, given Musk's current 'brand', will likely be a one stop shop for OAN and My pillow fans. Granted I, like Musk, know little about the regulatory side of all that entails being an online bank/social media platform in the US in 2023.

    12 votes
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    slashtab
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    He is doing it all over again. fail or pass, he'll have a closure this time.

    He is doing it all over again. fail or pass, he'll have a closure this time.

    6 votes
    1. UP8
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      Maybe. It's not just the relationship with regulators but also with the customers. Will alt-right figures find that their bank account increases without explanation while left-leaning folks find...

      Maybe. It's not just the relationship with regulators but also with the customers.

      Will alt-right figures find that their bank account increases without explanation while left-leaning folks find money disappears from time to time? Will customers come into a small business, see an "X" logo, and give abuse to the owner or an employee about the stupid thing Elon Musk did last weekend?

      Banks and payment services need a reputation for being fairly administered and if they're administered like "X" is today, who wants to have anything to do with them? (Particularly when the payments business is globally pretty competitive)

      11 votes
    2. snakesnakewhale
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      Having this article's context, the "X" rebrand seems like an even weirder pivot than it already did -- simply because X feels like a legacy one-that-got-away thing for Musk, whereas he has made...

      Having this article's context, the "X" rebrand seems like an even weirder pivot than it already did -- simply because X feels like a legacy one-that-got-away thing for Musk, whereas he has made such a show of treating Twitter like it's beneath contempt.

      Just feels strange to throw your baby on top of a garbage fire you've spent months keeping ablaze.

      5 votes
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    wnzm
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    The only thing I know is that, without a twitter account, it is now impossible for me to see the timelines of the select group of creators I follow. I really do not want to create one for the one...

    The only thing I know is that, without a twitter account, it is now impossible for me to see the timelines of the select group of creators I follow.

    I really do not want to create one for the one time every two weeks I use it.

    2 votes
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      Carighan
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      I read an article on Dicebreaker the other day about how board- and RPG-creators are struggling to find their audience engagement after Twitter started setting itself on fire, but I got to say...

      I read an article on Dicebreaker the other day about how board- and RPG-creators are struggling to find their audience engagement after Twitter started setting itself on fire, but I got to say that this to me only highlights how we made ourselves too dependent on something that has no business ties to providing a specific functionality.

      That is, Twitter was a service for writing short messages. Not for user-engagement, there are other, existing, systems for that. Twitter was mis-used for it, but the buyout showed amiably why this can be a problem.

      Or, in short: The creator's loss for being on Twitter and hence not wanting their audience to engage with them. :P

      2 votes
      1. PuddleOfKittens
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        This is a fundamental issue with the corporate internet - websites must be monetized, the only reason that people are encouraged to have conversations on the platform is to attract meat to feed to...

        but I got to say that this to me only highlights how we made ourselves too dependent on something that has no business ties to providing a specific functionality.

        That is, Twitter was a service for writing short messages. Not for user-engagement, there are other, existing, systems for that. Twitter was mis-used for it, but the buyout showed amiably why this can be a problem.

        This is a fundamental issue with the corporate internet - websites must be monetized, the only reason that people are encouraged to have conversations on the platform is to attract meat to feed to the money machine. There's this great article on it called Stop Talking To Eachother And Buy Things.

        5 votes
      2. wnzm
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        I agree. I have been self-hosting an rss reader to consume most of my media. I could create an rss feed for those creators but it would be easier if twitterX could be circumvented completely....

        I agree. I have been self-hosting an rss reader to consume most of my media. I could create an rss feed for those creators but it would be easier if twitterX could be circumvented completely.

        However, mass adoption of an alternative seems to be an obstacle.

        1 vote
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    Japeth
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    I don't understand what service an "everything app" provides that isn't already available. The everything app on my phone is the phone's OS, and I can use it to easily navigate to any service I...

    I don't understand what service an "everything app" provides that isn't already available. The everything app on my phone is the phone's OS, and I can use it to easily navigate to any service I want to download or use. Why would I want to download an app whose main pitch was it could provide everything I'm already getting?

    Maybe Musk's vision for the "all encompassing finance app" has evolved since 1999, but if it's anything like what he wanted X to be two decades ago, what business does that even have next to social media functionality? Why would the average tweeter feel the need to access their mortgage or insurance information from the same platform? I know there are people who obsessively watch their stock portfolio but other than that group, who is this product for? There's a reason the core idea behind X didn't take off way back when, it doesn't drive people's interest.

    2 votes
    1. UP8
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      I gave this talk years ago https://www.slideshare.net/paulahoule/chatbots-in-2017-ithaca-talk-dec-6 and one of the factors that I said would drive text-based UI then was that how the text-based UI...

      I gave this talk years ago

      https://www.slideshare.net/paulahoule/chatbots-in-2017-ithaca-talk-dec-6

      and one of the factors that I said would drive text-based UI then was that how the text-based UI has the advantage in the mobile age that you can roll out unlimited new features without going through an app store review.

      The super app can be a convenient way to do things and might be even more appealing with LLM chatbots.

      I think it is a good fit for “chat” applications like WhatsApp that mostly focus on person-to-person communications, Twitter does have DM functionality built in, but I think it is not such a good fit for the “town square” model, particularly for a platform like “X” (as it is called now) that is itself controversial, on top of being a vector for people loudly proclaiming their tribe membership (got that on Mastodon) and engaging in a war with the other tribe (Mastodon has less of that.). A business owner doesn’t want to get into a conversation about the “We take X payments” stickers with customers asking if they believe in what “X” stands for.

      3 votes