as someone who didn't experience Web 1.0, when I heard of marginalia, what I expected to find on it was sites similar to what's on neocities, which is great but I wanted to see those kinds of...
as someone who didn't experience Web 1.0, when I heard of marginalia, what I expected to find on it was sites similar to what's on neocities, which is great but I wanted to see those kinds of websites on marginalia, but after trying it several times, all I can find is boring blogs that just have a few very specific, niche posts and the blogs themselves have very generic and minimal design. I want to see weird, colourful, fun websites with GIFs everywhere and filled with images. what do I search to find those? and have you found any websites like that through marginalia?
Are you looking for actually old websites, or modern retro-style? The most 'out there' pages I stumbled on tended to be from the past few years. Actual old (90s/early 00s) sites I found tended to...
Are you looking for actually old websites, or modern retro-style? The most 'out there' pages I stumbled on tended to be from the past few years. Actual old (90s/early 00s) sites I found tended to feel very of their time and nostalgic but subdued.
For the latter, you may have luck searching for generic but period-specific terms, and even simply adding a year.
'zine' got a few hits (though a good number of modern sites) of old sites with colour schemes, fonts, images, and layouts that hit my nostalgia button. Adding in a random year (eg, '1999') helped, and dredged up some pages dated as last updated in the 90s.
'Guestbook' + a year gets lots of hits, but the pages are pretty boring.
There are probably other web terms that could work, my memory is escaping me, though. Maybe someone else will have ideas.
Yeah I might even go as far as to say that the wall-of-gifs style of “old web” is somewhat overrepresented in modern nostalgia. It wasn’t uncommon, but there were also a lot of pages that were...
Yeah I might even go as far as to say that the wall-of-gifs style of “old web” is somewhat overrepresented in modern nostalgia. It wasn’t uncommon, but there were also a lot of pages that were barely styled.
Later on there were also a lot of graphical-table-layout types of pages, which had a more holistic styling and were built by using table cells with image backgrounds as lego bricks of sorts, with looks that resembled old WinAmp skins. These were some of my personal favorites because of them looked really cool and hold up well even now, but they get little representation in modern-retro pages.
Yea, I think that's a clearer way of saying what I was thinking! Agreed on the table-type layouts, the nostalgia-hits I mentioned were of that era/style :)
Yea, I think that's a clearer way of saying what I was thinking! Agreed on the table-type layouts, the nostalgia-hits I mentioned were of that era/style :)
It’s hard to find good examples because the Internet Archive’s archiver seems to have struggled with downloading the images associated with this type of design, rendering most archives I checked...
It’s hard to find good examples because the Internet Archive’s archiver seems to have struggled with downloading the images associated with this type of design, rendering most archives I checked broken.
It’s probably not the greatest example, but here’s one from ~2005. The page itself uses a table layout and if you check the template section there’s screenshots of templates for other similar table-type designs.
I just pressed Explore at the top, guess it’s like a kind of feeling lucky search. I see lots of sites similar to how you describe. It gives good previews of each page E.g. one that surfaced in...
I just pressed Explore at the top, guess it’s like a kind of feeling lucky search. I see lots of sites similar to how you describe. It gives good previews of each page
E.g. one that surfaced in the first few results for me was rosydolly.neocities.org
The whiplash from seeing the anime girl making sure I'm not a bot on websites with Anubis installed is something I'll never get over. Way to make sure your project's not gonna be taken seriously...
The whiplash from seeing the anime girl making sure I'm not a bot on websites with Anubis installed is something I'll never get over. Way to make sure your project's not gonna be taken seriously
As for Marginalia, I can't say I've ever used it, but I did have a lot of fun with Kagi's Small Web, which is a similar idea in concept.
Hard disagree. First, there are whole cultures where putting anime mascots on products is not only nothing unusual, but brands will pay big money for collaborations with another company's...
Hard disagree. First, there are whole cultures where putting anime mascots on products is not only nothing unusual, but brands will pay big money for collaborations with another company's character. The aversion to that is purely a relic of corporate America's intolerance of other cultures while it tries to consume the world.
Second, artist communities that are enthusiastic about anime/vocaloid/JRPGs/etc are the contemporary version of the early 2000s web. That's one of the few places that spirit lives on, that is where nerd culture evolved. (e.g. one single manga, My Hero Academia, outsells all Marvel and DC comics combined.) And now roughly half of all Netflix subscribers watch anime (something like a third of millennials and half of Gen Z, and growing). The Anubis mascot immediately says this is not a sanitized corporate silo and is part of the user-driven side of the internet.
Bonus: the author will sell you an unbranded, lame version of Anubis. So resistance to paying for an open source tool, just to make it look more appealing to western corporate sensibilities, is more parasitism of open software by for-profit entities.
While that may be true, and I can't deny a certain honesty and authenticity in the mascot idea, the issue I have with it isn't that it exists at all, but that it is shown before a usually...
While that may be true, and I can't deny a certain honesty and authenticity in the mascot idea, the issue I have with it isn't that it exists at all, but that it is shown before a usually completely unrelated page is loaded. If it was just their mascot and on their project website, I wouldn't care the slightest bit, and considering the many horrible mascots the open source community usually gets I'd even welcome the change. But it's not. It's shown to everyone, which also includes those that don't even know what it is, and it usually de-loads fast enough for you to not even be able to read the whole "Checking if you're a bot, powered by Anubis" text. If I was looking for an anti-crawling solution (which I'm not, I don't even think Anubis is very good at this, delenda est and so on) I'd pick one that doesn't... impose its own style on my website before anything else, so to speak.
Additional thought: Maybe I'd mind less if the character weren't making eye contact.
Yeah the Anubis splash screen catches me off-guard every time, and a lot of the time makes me think I've encountered some site/content I didn't request. I'm sure the intent is benign but it does...
Yeah the Anubis splash screen catches me off-guard every time, and a lot of the time makes me think I've encountered some site/content I didn't request. I'm sure the intent is benign but it does seem like a poor choice, and it would definitely keep me from using it, if difficult to modify. No problem with mascots or anime imagery in general, just feels very out of place on a "tool" like this
Apparently there is a "commercial" version of Anubis that has rebranding options. I get it, it took off and I don't have a problem with people trying to make money off their work, but is annoying a bit that the open-source version lacks features as a way to push the commercial version.
I suppose since Anubis itself is open-source/MIT it can simply be forked/modified by anyone that uses it anyway. Even without a UI setting I would imagine (though could be wrong) that it's simple to change.
Interestingly, something that rubs me the wrong way about it is that apparently their initial placeholder image was even made by AI which certainly feels hypocritical given the project's goal. At least they've since gone with real art.
I don't really understand the hypocritical argument, being Anti-AI Bot doesn't mean your anti-LLM/Generative AI. It just means you don't want your server constantly scraped top to bottom. As to...
I don't really understand the hypocritical argument, being Anti-AI Bot doesn't mean your anti-LLM/Generative AI. It just means you don't want your server constantly scraped top to bottom.
As to paying to remove the anime girl image, it seems fine? Its not actually a feature, its purely aesthetics. If you're making meaningful money off of open-source code, you should be paying the project anyway.
as someone who didn't experience Web 1.0, when I heard of marginalia, what I expected to find on it was sites similar to what's on neocities, which is great but I wanted to see those kinds of websites on marginalia, but after trying it several times, all I can find is boring blogs that just have a few very specific, niche posts and the blogs themselves have very generic and minimal design. I want to see weird, colourful, fun websites with GIFs everywhere and filled with images. what do I search to find those? and have you found any websites like that through marginalia?
Are you looking for actually old websites, or modern retro-style? The most 'out there' pages I stumbled on tended to be from the past few years. Actual old (90s/early 00s) sites I found tended to feel very of their time and nostalgic but subdued.
For the latter, you may have luck searching for generic but period-specific terms, and even simply adding a year.
'zine' got a few hits (though a good number of modern sites) of old sites with colour schemes, fonts, images, and layouts that hit my nostalgia button. Adding in a random year (eg, '1999') helped, and dredged up some pages dated as last updated in the 90s.
'Guestbook' + a year gets lots of hits, but the pages are pretty boring.
There are probably other web terms that could work, my memory is escaping me, though. Maybe someone else will have ideas.
Yeah I might even go as far as to say that the wall-of-gifs style of “old web” is somewhat overrepresented in modern nostalgia. It wasn’t uncommon, but there were also a lot of pages that were barely styled.
Later on there were also a lot of graphical-table-layout types of pages, which had a more holistic styling and were built by using table cells with image backgrounds as lego bricks of sorts, with looks that resembled old WinAmp skins. These were some of my personal favorites because of them looked really cool and hold up well even now, but they get little representation in modern-retro pages.
Yea, I think that's a clearer way of saying what I was thinking! Agreed on the table-type layouts, the nostalgia-hits I mentioned were of that era/style :)
I don't understand what you mean by table layout, I'd like an example if you have one 🙂
It’s hard to find good examples because the Internet Archive’s archiver seems to have struggled with downloading the images associated with this type of design, rendering most archives I checked broken.
It’s probably not the greatest example, but here’s one from ~2005. The page itself uses a table layout and if you check the template section there’s screenshots of templates for other similar table-type designs.
actually old websites, for retro style, there is neocities. I hadn't thought of searching by year, I'll try it!
I just pressed Explore at the top, guess it’s like a kind of feeling lucky search. I see lots of sites similar to how you describe. It gives good previews of each page
E.g. one that surfaced in the first few results for me was rosydolly.neocities.org
The whiplash from seeing the anime girl making sure I'm not a bot on websites with Anubis installed is something I'll never get over. Way to make sure your project's not gonna be taken seriously
As for Marginalia, I can't say I've ever used it, but I did have a lot of fun with Kagi's Small Web, which is a similar idea in concept.
Hard disagree. First, there are whole cultures where putting anime mascots on products is not only nothing unusual, but brands will pay big money for collaborations with another company's character. The aversion to that is purely a relic of corporate America's intolerance of other cultures while it tries to consume the world.
Second, artist communities that are enthusiastic about anime/vocaloid/JRPGs/etc are the contemporary version of the early 2000s web. That's one of the few places that spirit lives on, that is where nerd culture evolved. (e.g. one single manga, My Hero Academia, outsells all Marvel and DC comics combined.) And now roughly half of all Netflix subscribers watch anime (something like a third of millennials and half of Gen Z, and growing). The Anubis mascot immediately says this is not a sanitized corporate silo and is part of the user-driven side of the internet.
Bonus: the author will sell you an unbranded, lame version of Anubis. So resistance to paying for an open source tool, just to make it look more appealing to western corporate sensibilities, is more parasitism of open software by for-profit entities.
While that may be true, and I can't deny a certain honesty and authenticity in the mascot idea, the issue I have with it isn't that it exists at all, but that it is shown before a usually completely unrelated page is loaded. If it was just their mascot and on their project website, I wouldn't care the slightest bit, and considering the many horrible mascots the open source community usually gets I'd even welcome the change. But it's not. It's shown to everyone, which also includes those that don't even know what it is, and it usually de-loads fast enough for you to not even be able to read the whole "Checking if you're a bot, powered by Anubis" text. If I was looking for an anti-crawling solution (which I'm not, I don't even think Anubis is very good at this, delenda est and so on) I'd pick one that doesn't... impose its own style on my website before anything else, so to speak.
Additional thought: Maybe I'd mind less if the character weren't making eye contact.
Yeah the Anubis splash screen catches me off-guard every time, and a lot of the time makes me think I've encountered some site/content I didn't request. I'm sure the intent is benign but it does seem like a poor choice, and it would definitely keep me from using it, if difficult to modify. No problem with mascots or anime imagery in general, just feels very out of place on a "tool" like this
Apparently there is a "commercial" version of Anubis that has rebranding options. I get it, it took off and I don't have a problem with people trying to make money off their work, but is annoying a bit that the open-source version lacks features as a way to push the commercial version.
I suppose since Anubis itself is open-source/MIT it can simply be forked/modified by anyone that uses it anyway. Even without a UI setting I would imagine (though could be wrong) that it's simple to change.
Interestingly, something that rubs me the wrong way about it is that apparently their initial placeholder image was even made by AI which certainly feels hypocritical given the project's goal. At least they've since gone with real art.
I don't really understand the hypocritical argument, being Anti-AI Bot doesn't mean your anti-LLM/Generative AI. It just means you don't want your server constantly scraped top to bottom.
As to paying to remove the anime girl image, it seems fine? Its not actually a feature, its purely aesthetics. If you're making meaningful money off of open-source code, you should be paying the project anyway.