38 votes

Apple's new proprietary software locks kill independent repair on new MacBook Pros

31 comments

  1. [3]
    Brock_Knifemann
    Link
    What a mess! I've fixed a few Macs over the years and they already made it more difficult than it needed to be, this is just obscene. I know that I'm in the minority of computer users, but the...

    What a mess! I've fixed a few Macs over the years and they already made it more difficult than it needed to be, this is just obscene. I know that I'm in the minority of computer users, but the inability to wrench in my own computer (that I spent good money on) isn't just a crappy move, it's unethical.

    23 votes
    1. [2]
      NeoTheFox
      Link Parent
      People that repair and upgrade their own computers are just a collateral damage in this. What Apple is really after are third-party repair shops that keep their hardware alive for much longer and...

      People that repair and upgrade their own computers are just a collateral damage in this. What Apple is really after are third-party repair shops that keep their hardware alive for much longer and much cheaper than Apple would want to. Their lobbyist are fighting right-to-repair while their engineers are doing things like this to make it really hard to repair anything.

      17 votes
      1. Brock_Knifemann
        Link Parent
        https://www.apple.com/environment/ "To ask less of the planet, we ask more of ourselves." Of course it's just corporate BS. If they really cared about the environment, they'd work to keep e-waste...

        https://www.apple.com/environment/

        "To ask less of the planet, we ask more of ourselves."

        Of course it's just corporate BS. If they really cared about the environment, they'd work to keep e-waste out of landills.

        4 votes
  2. [10]
    Comment deleted by author
    Link
    1. jgb
      Link Parent
      I wholly understand having privacy concerns with Microsoft - but I infer from your comment that you would not have similar concerns about an equivalent product produced by Apple - why is it that...

      were it not for the privacy concerns i have with microsoft

      I wholly understand having privacy concerns with Microsoft - but I infer from your comment that you would not have similar concerns about an equivalent product produced by Apple - why is it that you consider Microsoft less trustworthy than Apple in this regard?

      4 votes
    2. [8]
      Askme_about_penguins
      Link Parent
      It really, really isn't. It's always mentioned in any video that talks about what Apple does right.

      i think imessage is a really underrated service

      It really, really isn't. It's always mentioned in any video that talks about what Apple does right.

      2 votes
      1. [2]
        hotcouch
        Link Parent
        it practically never comes up on casual conversations from what i've seen. "videos that talk about what apple does right" is a weird metric to measure how over or underrated something is.

        it practically never comes up on casual conversations from what i've seen. "videos that talk about what apple does right" is a weird metric to measure how over or underrated something is.

        1 vote
        1. Askme_about_penguins
          Link Parent
          And I think casual conversations are a weird metric to measure how over or underrated something is. When people do talk about Apple, iMessages comes up pretty often, which is why I believe it's...

          And I think casual conversations are a weird metric to measure how over or underrated something is. When people do talk about Apple, iMessages comes up pretty often, which is why I believe it's far from underrated.

          1 vote
      2. [5]
        ExaltedStarcopper
        Link Parent
        I've recently switched to an Android from having an iPhone for 4 years (Android before that). iMessage is one of my most missed features. Also Android's autocorrect is goddamn fuckin bullshit

        I've recently switched to an Android from having an iPhone for 4 years (Android before that). iMessage is one of my most missed features. Also Android's autocorrect is goddamn fuckin bullshit

        1 vote
        1. [4]
          Askme_about_penguins
          Link Parent
          I don't think there's such a thing. It's Google's, Samsung's, LG's, Swiftkey's... etc.

          Also Android's autocorrect is goddamn fuckin bullshit

          I don't think there's such a thing. It's Google's, Samsung's, LG's, Swiftkey's... etc.

          1 vote
          1. [3]
            ExaltedStarcopper
            Link Parent
            Yeah I know, its 's truly Samsung's keyboard, but I've tried Swiftkey as well which has the same problem of 'learning' my typos and then autocorrecting properly spelled words to said typo >.<...

            Yeah I know, its 's truly Samsung's keyboard, but I've tried Swiftkey as well which has the same problem of 'learning' my typos and then autocorrecting properly spelled words to said typo >.<

            Or... like the one time I corrected 'to' so I could say 'yo'... and now it wants to autocorrect to 'yo' every time

            I also preferred how in iOS if you backspaced a word that got autocorrected, it wouldn't autocorrect again.

            At the end of the day, I'm sticking to Android simply because it's more of a computer and is one of the most powerful tools I carry as a sysadmin. I'm just not gonna pretend like Android is perfect (I already know people are gonna say TouchWiz is my problem and to use base Android like if I hadn't already tried).

            1. [2]
              Askme_about_penguins
              Link Parent
              Have you tried Google's keyboard (Gboard) or Fleksy? Those are the ones Reddit likes the most (I know because I like to use reddit for app recommendations). I have never used iOS for more than a...

              Have you tried Google's keyboard (Gboard) or Fleksy? Those are the ones Reddit likes the most (I know because I like to use reddit for app recommendations).

              I have never used iOS for more than a few hours, so I didn't know they did the autocorrect better.

              1 vote
              1. ExaltedStarcopper
                Link Parent
                Thank you!! Gboard is working great so far! It does the autocorrect backspace thing I mentioned making it 100x better already!

                Thank you!! Gboard is working great so far! It does the autocorrect backspace thing I mentioned making it 100x better already!

                1 vote
  3. [6]
    Comment deleted by author
    Link
    1. [5]
      Comment deleted by author
      Link Parent
      1. [4]
        cos
        Link Parent
        Or, better yet, stop buying products from Apple! There are loads of other hardware manufacturers out there who actually try to build good products at good price points rather than intentionally...

        Or, better yet, stop buying products from Apple! There are loads of other hardware manufacturers out there who actually try to build good products at good price points rather than intentionally screwing customers and pumping billions into marketing. Lenovo with their Thinkpad line and Dell with their XPS line are two excellent examples of this.

        5 votes
        1. [4]
          Comment deleted by author
          Link Parent
          1. cos
            Link Parent
            Well, this is awkward. I would never recommend Windows to anyone. I made my recommendations based on their combination of superior design and Linux compatibility. I avoid both Apple and Microsoft...

            Well, this is awkward. I would never recommend Windows to anyone. I made my recommendations based on their combination of superior design and Linux compatibility. I avoid both Apple and Microsoft because of their unethical behavior. All of my devices run some form of Linux. My assumption was that someone who uses a Unix-like operating system like macOS would likewise use a Unix-like operating system on other hardware.

            If you're looking for a MacBook-like experience that respects both privacy and repairability, why not use something like the Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition? As a bonus, you can actually personally verify that the software on these machines respects your privacy since it's all open-source. With Apple, you're just taking the word of an ethically questionable company.

            4 votes
          2. [2]
            Rocket_Man
            Link Parent
            I'm replying just because I have drank the kool-aid. In that I am a very Microsoft centric person. While it's true that Microsoft collects a lot of telemetry. I don't particularly see the problem...

            I'm replying just because I have drank the kool-aid. In that I am a very Microsoft centric person. While it's true that Microsoft collects a lot of telemetry. I don't particularly see the problem when they're just using it for boring stuff and not selling it. How exactly do you think your privacy might be infringed?

            1. Soptik
              Link Parent
              I have nothing to hide But yes, I understand you. I see privacy-centric communities everywhere, but what's bad on providing company with data, especially if it doesn't cause any harm to you?...

              I have nothing to hide

              But yes, I understand you. I see privacy-centric communities everywhere, but what's bad on providing company with data, especially if it doesn't cause any harm to you? Microsoft uses it to debug it's products - and I assume most big companies (Mozilla, Canonical) does the same - they don't sell my data, especially if it's just telemetry. And unless you're someone like Snowden - You have nothing to hide.

              I'd love if someone here could tell me why should I hide my info from big companies. It doesn't harm me. (Note I didn't use Facebook as example of company that I'm OK with collecting my data)

              2 votes
    2. nothis
      Link Parent
      Right? This sounds like a lawsuit in Europe.

      Right? This sounds like a lawsuit in Europe.

      2 votes
  4. [13]
    rickdg
    Link
    Good laptops running Linux can't get to market fast enough.

    Good laptops running Linux can't get to market fast enough.

    10 votes
    1. [4]
      Comment deleted by author
      Link Parent
      1. [3]
        callmedante
        Link Parent
        The more I think about my next laptop purchase, the more inclined I am towards purchasing from Purism. They really scored points with me when they announced the Librem key. I want my next purchase...

        The more I think about my next laptop purchase, the more inclined I am towards purchasing from Purism. They really scored points with me when they announced the Librem key. I want my next purchase to support a company that shares my views on computing.

        3 votes
        1. [2]
          J-Senior
          Link Parent
          I just skimmed but I couldn't tell, does that key only work with PureOS?

          I just skimmed but I couldn't tell, does that key only work with PureOS?

          1. callmedante
            Link Parent
            I don't have one (yet), but my understanding is that it's not limited to PureOS or even only Purism laptops. However, I think the tamper detection is only compatible with the Heads BIOS that ships...

            I don't have one (yet), but my understanding is that it's not limited to PureOS or even only Purism laptops. However, I think the tamper detection is only compatible with the Heads BIOS that ships on their laptops.

    2. [2]
      NeoTheFox
      Link Parent
      I own a System 76 laptop, and the only thing I'm missing is the trackpoint. They disabled Intel ME for all of us, and they contribute a lot towards better linux support. The build quality is...

      I own a System 76 laptop, and the only thing I'm missing is the trackpoint. They disabled Intel ME for all of us, and they contribute a lot towards better linux support. The build quality is pretty good as well, I really like the keboard too.

      7 votes
      1. [2]
        Comment deleted by author
        Link Parent
        1. NeoTheFox
          Link Parent
          Mine is lemu7, it used to be noisy under high load, but after a compond change it became much more quet. It is very easy to open up for repair and maintanance too.

          Mine is lemu7, it used to be noisy under high load, but after a compond change it became much more quet. It is very easy to open up for repair and maintanance too.

          2 votes
    3. [4]
      nothis
      Link Parent
      Linux being usable can’t come fast enough. The interface and general usability (I know, I know, different distros and such, but they all suck) is holding it back. It’s a real thing and open source...

      Linux being usable can’t come fast enough. The interface and general usability (I know, I know, different distros and such, but they all suck) is holding it back. It’s a real thing and open source idealists don’t seem to acknowledge that at all.

      It’s a human thing, not a technology thing.

      3 votes
      1. s4b3r6
        Link Parent
        How are they unuseable, in your eyes? My rather inept parents have been using Linux the last six years. They struggle with email, using a web browser, but don't struggle to use the actual OS....

        How are they unuseable, in your eyes?

        My rather inept parents have been using Linux the last six years. They struggle with email, using a web browser, but don't struggle to use the actual OS. They've never needed to touch the commandline, and the OS is stable.

        14 votes
      2. loto
        Link Parent
        Unsure what you're talking about; sure something like the i3 window manager or using emacs as your desktop requires a learning curve to use properly, but that you have to go out of your way to...

        Unsure what you're talking about; sure something like the i3 window manager or using emacs as your desktop requires a learning curve to use properly, but that you have to go out of your way to find that. GNOME and KDE (probably the most popular desktops, which come by default on most distros) respectively, are are nearly identical in UI to macOS and Windows out of the box, and can both be configured to function completely differently with minimal effort. Whether you like the default theme or not is personal preference, but that's easily configurable too nowadays. I'm of the mind that most mainstream linux distros (Ubuntu, Fedora, Manjaro) are at least as usable and pretty as Windows & macOS out of the box, if not better.

        9 votes
      3. cos
        (edited )
        Link Parent
        But... Linux is usable now. I've got most of my family and a few friends on it without problems. I'd even argue that the likes of Solus, Chakra, Manjaro, and Antergos do better than Windows and...

        But... Linux is usable now. I've got most of my family and a few friends on it without problems. I'd even argue that the likes of Solus, Chakra, Manjaro, and Antergos do better than Windows and macOS with regard to UX. When was the last time you tried Linux? What issues have you run into?

        9 votes
    4. [2]
      Comment deleted by author
      Link Parent
      1. rickdg
        Link Parent
        I wish companies like Entroware or Slimbook focused on better laptop keyboards, they're essential to the Linux experience in my opinion.

        I wish companies like Entroware or Slimbook focused on better laptop keyboards, they're essential to the Linux experience in my opinion.

        1 vote
    5. [3]
      Comment deleted by author
      Link Parent
      1. rickdg
        Link Parent
        Still has throttling issues from Intel and the function key is where control should be. Best keyboard in a laptop ever, of course, probably the best option right now.

        Still has throttling issues from Intel and the function key is where control should be. Best keyboard in a laptop ever, of course, probably the best option right now.

  5. Parliament
    Link
    This is blatantly anti-consumer and anti-competition, Apple’s MO basically. I’m no tech wizard or anything, but I’ve upgraded SSDs, RAM, and batteries in three separate salvaged MBPs that came out...

    This is blatantly anti-consumer and anti-competition, Apple’s MO basically. I’m no tech wizard or anything, but I’ve upgraded SSDs, RAM, and batteries in three separate salvaged MBPs that came out 8-9 years ago following YouTube tutorials. They all still work like a charm. The idea of not having total ownership and discretion over a device I paid for is just so incredibly scummy.

    7 votes