Removing user agency is all that has to be said. We want this garden to have really high walls. Because you as a user are not to be trusted to receive the ad revenue we demand. And we call that...
Removing user agency is all that has to be said. We want this garden to have really high walls. Because you as a user are not to be trusted to receive the ad revenue we demand.
And we call that security. Alphabet financial security.
Makes me really glad I switched about a year ago. I have, or found suitable replacements for, every extension I used on Chrome—it's basically just a cosmetic difference in everyday use. And since...
Makes me really glad I switched about a year ago. I have, or found suitable replacements for, every extension I used on Chrome—it's basically just a cosmetic difference in everyday use. And since I now use container tabs for just about every major site, isolating tracking, it's actually an improvement. If they're doing this intentionally to push more ads to the small percentage of their users who bother to install an ad blocker, fuck google, indeed.
I wasn't aware of that. As I said above, I found replacements for everything, but I still haven't found a good screen video capture extension—I used Screencastify on Chrome. I wonder if that could...
I wasn't aware of that. As I said above, I found replacements for everything, but I still haven't found a good screen video capture extension—I used Screencastify on Chrome. I wonder if that could be converted? I'll have to dig around a bit. Thanks!
One thing that bothers me in Firefox is how hard it is to customize keyboard shortcuts. I deal with lots of complicated programs already, I shouldn’t have to “code” to call a extension with...
One thing that bothers me in Firefox is how hard it is to customize keyboard shortcuts. I deal with lots of complicated programs already, I shouldn’t have to “code” to call a extension with Ctrl+m. Regardless, if there’s no Ublock on Chrome, I’m going to Firefox.
Google keeps doing annoying cosmetic crap but banning adblockers is a whole 'nother thing. I'll give them a chance to fix the problem (it is just a draft after all...) but if I wake up one day and...
Google keeps doing annoying cosmetic crap but banning adblockers is a whole 'nother thing. I'll give them a chance to fix the problem (it is just a draft after all...) but if I wake up one day and ublock isn't working, chrome might as well have uninstalled itself from my computer. A browser without adblock is nonfunctional software, simple as that.
Literally the first thing I download on a new computer is Google Chrome. The first thing I then do is install ublock. Of Chrome doesn't let me use my ad blocker, I'd just switch to Firefox for...
Literally the first thing I download on a new computer is Google Chrome. The first thing I then do is install ublock. Of Chrome doesn't let me use my ad blocker, I'd just switch to Firefox for certain. I've already made the switch on my phone because of that reason
As techies go, I'm definitely on the less privacy-focused end of the spectrum, and this is easily enough to drive me back to Firefox. I'm a pragmatist, I moved to Chrome because it was faster than...
As techies go, I'm definitely on the less privacy-focused end of the spectrum, and this is easily enough to drive me back to Firefox.
I'm a pragmatist, I moved to Chrome because it was faster than Firefox at the time. If Google is going to start making decisions that actively inconvenience users, their product is rapidly going to lose its position as the best option.
Mobile Firefox needs to catch up with Chrome. UI features are a few years behind unfortunately, like, the lack of tab gestures or even pull to refresh. Extensions for those don't work well enough....
Mobile Firefox needs to catch up with Chrome. UI features are a few years behind unfortunately, like, the lack of tab gestures or even pull to refresh. Extensions for those don't work well enough. But otherwise the browser is solid. Some extensions on mobile give it an edge over Chrome.
What do you mean Manifest v3? I thought Web Extensions standardized all this?! And any update that makes uBlock Origin incapable of being installed will without hesitation make me uninstall...
What do you mean Manifest v3? I thought Web Extensions standardized all this?! And any update that makes uBlock Origin incapable of being installed will without hesitation make me uninstall chrome. I already use Firefox. Beautifully worded response from Raymond.
We need to keep in mind what the term "WebExtensions" actually refers to. Chrome extensions were created by Google, and are what Chrome (and other Chromium-based browsers) still use to this day....
We need to keep in mind what the term "WebExtensions" actually refers to.
Chrome extensions were created by Google, and are what Chrome (and other Chromium-based browsers) still use to this day. What constitutes a Chrome extension is whatever Google implements in a particular release of Chromium.
Mozilla decided to create a superset of Chrome extensions which is known as WebExtensions.
Google has never gotten involved in WebExtensions efforts - they just keep doing their own thing and evolving Chrome extensions as they see fit.
As for WebExtensions, it's really up to Mozilla and any other WebExtensions participants to decide how to respond and adjust to Google's changes.
Thanks for the explanation. That surprises me, honestly. With how much collaboration that takes place between browser vendors, I figured they'd be thrilled to standardize on an extension format.
Thanks for the explanation. That surprises me, honestly. With how much collaboration that takes place between browser vendors, I figured they'd be thrilled to standardize on an extension format.
Here is the link to the bug itself: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=896897&desc=2 Just please don't use the issue tracker as a place to complain, else it'll just get locked...
Just please don't use the issue tracker as a place to complain, else it'll just get locked to outside discussion.
It seems this change has benefits to privacy and potentially page speed, but will also harm more complex ad blockers like uBlock. The Chrome devs seem to have been made aware of this based on the discussion in the thread, so we'll have to see how it plays out.
GDI... I love having everything synced through my gmail account across the stupid number of devices I end up using. If I have to migrate everything over onto Firefox I am going to be so goddamn...
GDI... I love having everything synced through my gmail account across the stupid number of devices I end up using. If I have to migrate everything over onto Firefox I am going to be so goddamn fucking angry.
Somewhat different topic, but since you seem to know -- does Firefox still have that issue where any malfunctioning tab can bring down the whole browser? I don't know what it's called but in...
Somewhat different topic, but since you seem to know -- does Firefox still have that issue where any malfunctioning tab can bring down the whole browser? I don't know what it's called but in Chrome if a tab crashes, nothing happens (you even have to manually close the tab, nevermind the whole browser).
Removing user agency is all that has to be said. We want this garden to have really high walls. Because you as a user are not to be trusted to receive the ad revenue we demand.
And we call that security. Alphabet financial security.
Hopefully this will push more people over to firefox
Makes me really glad I switched about a year ago. I have, or found suitable replacements for, every extension I used on Chrome—it's basically just a cosmetic difference in everyday use. And since I now use container tabs for just about every major site, isolating tracking, it's actually an improvement. If they're doing this intentionally to push more ads to the small percentage of their users who bother to install an ad blocker, fuck google, indeed.
I wasn't aware of that. As I said above, I found replacements for everything, but I still haven't found a good screen video capture extension—I used Screencastify on Chrome. I wonder if that could be converted? I'll have to dig around a bit. Thanks!
One thing that bothers me in Firefox is how hard it is to customize keyboard shortcuts. I deal with lots of complicated programs already, I shouldn’t have to “code” to call a extension with
Ctrl+m. Regardless, if there’s no Ublock on Chrome, I’m going to Firefox.Google keeps doing annoying cosmetic crap but banning adblockers is a whole 'nother thing. I'll give them a chance to fix the problem (it is just a draft after all...) but if I wake up one day and ublock isn't working, chrome might as well have uninstalled itself from my computer. A browser without adblock is nonfunctional software, simple as that.
Literally the first thing I download on a new computer is Google Chrome. The first thing I then do is install ublock. Of Chrome doesn't let me use my ad blocker, I'd just switch to Firefox for certain. I've already made the switch on my phone because of that reason
It might be a draft, but they already proposed this a few months ago.
Even if it doesn't pass right now, they will push it again in a few months.
As techies go, I'm definitely on the less privacy-focused end of the spectrum, and this is easily enough to drive me back to Firefox.
I'm a pragmatist, I moved to Chrome because it was faster than Firefox at the time. If Google is going to start making decisions that actively inconvenience users, their product is rapidly going to lose its position as the best option.
Mobile Firefox needs to catch up with Chrome. UI features are a few years behind unfortunately, like, the lack of tab gestures or even pull to refresh. Extensions for those don't work well enough. But otherwise the browser is solid. Some extensions on mobile give it an edge over Chrome.
Good news: We're rewriting Firefox for Android!
What do you mean Manifest v3? I thought Web Extensions standardized all this?! And any update that makes uBlock Origin incapable of being installed will without hesitation make me uninstall chrome. I already use Firefox. Beautifully worded response from Raymond.
Google has never taken part in any WebExtensions standardization efforts AFAIK.
Weren't WebExtensions created by Google, and then extended to Opera and Firefox?
We need to keep in mind what the term "WebExtensions" actually refers to.
Chrome extensions were created by Google, and are what Chrome (and other Chromium-based browsers) still use to this day. What constitutes a Chrome extension is whatever Google implements in a particular release of Chromium.
Mozilla decided to create a superset of Chrome extensions which is known as WebExtensions.
Google has never gotten involved in WebExtensions efforts - they just keep doing their own thing and evolving Chrome extensions as they see fit.
As for WebExtensions, it's really up to Mozilla and any other WebExtensions participants to decide how to respond and adjust to Google's changes.
Thanks for the explanation. That surprises me, honestly. With how much collaboration that takes place between browser vendors, I figured they'd be thrilled to standardize on an extension format.
In my personal opinion, I expect that we will continue to see more of this as Chromium's market position continues to increase toward monopoly.
There's some good discussion in the linked Github-talk page about the issue from Gorhill himself -- I recommend checking that out too.
Here is the link to the discussion on GitHub for anyone who doesn't wanna go find it themselves.
Here is the link to the bug itself: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=896897&desc=2
Just please don't use the issue tracker as a place to complain, else it'll just get locked to outside discussion.
It seems this change has benefits to privacy and potentially page speed, but will also harm more complex ad blockers like uBlock. The Chrome devs seem to have been made aware of this based on the discussion in the thread, so we'll have to see how it plays out.
It was worth a shot, but ultimately people don't or won't read:
GDI... I love having everything synced through my gmail account across the stupid number of devices I end up using. If I have to migrate everything over onto Firefox I am going to be so goddamn fucking angry.
Also, Firefox Sync is encrypted end-to-end!
Somewhat different topic, but since you seem to know -- does Firefox still have that issue where any malfunctioning tab can bring down the whole browser? I don't know what it's called but in Chrome if a tab crashes, nothing happens (you even have to manually close the tab, nevermind the whole browser).
I'm fairly sure tab process separation was implemented about a year ago in firefox.
We have been at 100% rollout of multiprocess Firefox since Fall 2017.
I haven’t seen you on here in a while, welcome back!