The cynical narrative, now, is that people move on from Facebook to Facebook-owned services like Instagram and WhatsApp. But I'm still happy to see a trend, there. Facebook was all about owning...
The cynical narrative, now, is that people move on from Facebook to Facebook-owned services like Instagram and WhatsApp. But I'm still happy to see a trend, there. Facebook was all about owning your life. A permanent record of every major and minor achievement and general milestone in your life, archived, commented and hyperlinked. Instagram is not. It's a silly place with nicknames and short videos that disappear after 24 hours. Most Instagram users I know post maybe once or twice a month, mostly just random things that look cool in photographs. It's more a place to follow celebs and such, basically reality TV. Meanwhile, WhatsApp is basically "SMS but using your WiFi", thus very personal but also very replaceable. I switched to Telegram with some of my friends, recently, and the transition was seamless. It's not really a "service" that locks you in, it's... a chat app. The only clutch WhatsApp has on me is certain group-chats used for organizing. Also, and this is probably naive, I don't think Facebook can read any messages, if they're end-to-end encrypted?
So yea, something will follow Facebook, just as Facebook followed myspace. But it might not be as absurdly privacy-invading. Even if it is owned by the same company. I allow myself to be cautiously optimistic.
Ignoring the lack of privacy and abuse of information, the reason i always rant about for leaving social media is, as you mentioned, that it's really just reality TV on 24 hour cycle. You made...
Ignoring the lack of privacy and abuse of information, the reason i always rant about for leaving social media is, as you mentioned, that it's really just reality TV on 24 hour cycle. You made that comparison with influencers on instagram, but it really works for any app and people you know personally. It's all so fake. Instead of a reality show you watch for an hour a night, you have an app that you're scrolling though all day, looking through this key-hole sized window to other peoples lives that they control. It's so weird, and the need to show everyone that you are "living your best life" has gotten to the point where pop up museums and instagram-able pop-ups have become the norm in almost every major US city. Not that any of this is brand new but it has become the norm. It's absurd considering that everyone knows (and will tell you) that you can not believe everything on the internet but from what I've seen in my own friends circle and online, no one seems to actually understand and retain this golden rule. Then the outcome is that people see this, feel like crap about themselves, and buy back into the endless cycle of instant gratification that 1000 likes can give you. I know I'm not saying anything original here but it takes advantage of the human condition and I feel as though it doesn't get enough attention compared to the fact that most major social media outlets abuse information in every conceivable way (which is bad too but much less of a "grey area" and easier to fit in a headline.)
Yea, I mean, I agree with all this as it is kinda my skeptical default-attitude towards all "social trends", but I'm at the point where I don't see this ever going away completely as curiosity...
Yea, I mean, I agree with all this as it is kinda my skeptical default-attitude towards all "social trends", but I'm at the point where I don't see this ever going away completely as curiosity about other people's life is a part of the human condition. While there's evidence that this can have a negative impact on people's personalities, I think it's ultimately harmless compared to Facebook essentially owning the media rights to your own life. If Instagram is maybe even a little more abstract, a little more idealized in terms of what we post, at least that puts up another barrier between Facebook and the reality of my life, which... is a good thing?
Not dismissing any criticism of the mechanics of social media, here, but it's IMO wrong to say "it's all the same". There's a difference between a company having access to your personal life vs. giving you a window to see other people's life (who want that). Maybe that creates some social pressure to participate, but it's not quite as strong a force.
Encryption. People's private communications should be secure. End-to-end encryption prevents anyone -- including us -- from seeing what people share on our services.
If he said so. But he doesn't have a good track record. Don't know if i would believe the man himself. TLDR: Also, in the past there were a lot of people getting personalized ads depending on what...
Facebook has admitted it allowed other big tech companies to read users' private messages, but denies it did so without consent.
The response came in a blog post by the firm Wednesday after a New York Times investigation found that Facebook gave companies including Netflix, Spotify and the Royal Bank of Canada the ability to read, write and delete users' private messages.
Facebook said it enabled partner companies like Spotify to access users' private messages after a user had signed into Facebook through the partner company's app.
Also, in the past there were a lot of people getting personalized ads depending on what they type on the messages.
That's talking about Facebook Messenger (which isn't end-to-end encrypted), not WhatsApp. It's also a pretty overblown story because it's really just an API permission that gives the ability to...
That's talking about Facebook Messenger (which isn't end-to-end encrypted), not WhatsApp.
It's also a pretty overblown story because it's really just an API permission that gives the ability to access a user's Messenger data, which some of those apps needed for functionality that interacted with Messenger. As far as I've seen, there's no evidence that any of them actually misused that permission for purposes outside their app functionality.
Oh, sorry. I messed up the two. I was talking about Facebook. I understand the need for evidence and it's ok. In my case, it's about my privacy. I need evidence that the end to end encryption is...
Oh, sorry. I messed up the two. I was talking about Facebook.
I understand the need for evidence and it's ok. In my case, it's about my privacy. I need evidence that the end to end encryption is really true and first of all, i need to trust them. They are a company based on tracking and collecting data, they did a lot of shitty things, so i don't trust them.
I'm not saying that they are spying on WhatsApp and i certainly would trust the app more if it wasn't owned by Facebook.
You're right about the Facebook messenger app. I think what's app uses end to end encryption which Facebook cannot read. It gets confusing because Facebook owns both and this article doesn't...
You're right about the Facebook messenger app. I think what's app uses end to end encryption which Facebook cannot read. It gets confusing because Facebook owns both and this article doesn't mention what's app so I think it's talking about the default Facebook messenger.
I was making a purchase at a farm supply store and the salesperson asked "Are you on Facebook?". My reaction was almost convulsive: "No!" I exclaimed. "Oh, I just wanted to let you know about our...
I was making a purchase at a farm supply store and the salesperson asked "Are you on Facebook?". My reaction was almost convulsive: "No!" I exclaimed. "Oh, I just wanted to let you know about our weekly specials that we post on Facebook" she said defensively. "You must get off Facebook" I uttered reflexively.
Then I realized I had scared here with my reaction. Poor thing probably thought I was a nut case.
As I write this, I feel as I would have been someone who reacted to a sales clerk asking me... in 1935 ... in Germany "Are you a member of the Nazi Party?"
I told her I work for *** [a major software company] and therefore have an understanding of this technology and that the dangers of AI from all in information on Facebook is going to come back and bite us. You should see what advancements are being made now. In fact by 2050 or 2060 it is predicted that artificial intelligence will surpass all the knowledge of mankind combined. With all the systems and tools we turn over to automation, that is a very scary prospect.
She look even more frightened, not by what I said, by the fact that she did not understand anything of what I was talking about.
I actually came back to FB after unfriending almost everyone and everything. It's now my local government news aggregator where I go to find out what fun activities are being offered by the local...
I actually came back to FB after unfriending almost everyone and everything.
It's now my local government news aggregator where I go to find out what fun activities are being offered by the local rec center, my children's school, and to generally see what is going in the county, etc. I get zero news from FB and the only posts by "friends" I see are from my partner. My one guilty sin is I'm still part of a hilarious Simpson meme group. Also, FB marketplace is pretty good.
I've noticed that a lot of neighborhoods and communities use Nextdoor for that kind of thing, at least in the US. It's got a marketplace feature, event rsvps, as well as limited access for...
I've noticed that a lot of neighborhoods and communities use Nextdoor for that kind of thing, at least in the US. It's got a marketplace feature, event rsvps, as well as limited access for government agencies. I've noticed that politics tend to stay fairly isolated on there, which is definitely a plus for me.
Biggest issue I've seen is that "leads" (moderators) are simply the people who first added the neighborhood to the site, so there's always the chance that one goes AWOL. afaik nextdoor staff tends to be fairly passive.
As a strict follower of the idea of never using Facebook, these suggestions will probably be off, but you do have options. One of the easiest ways would be emailing the group an iCal invitation,...
As a strict follower of the idea of never using Facebook, these suggestions will probably be off, but you do have options. One of the easiest ways would be emailing the group an iCal invitation, which you can do pretty easily with Google Calendar, Microsoft Exchange, or Mozilla Thunderbird (which may require an official extension). Then for recurring group events, you can use a service like Meetup.
My facebook profile is pretty dead. The only notifications i get are those "people you might know". It's a lot of them. I just keep it so my SO can link her relationship status with my profile...
My facebook profile is pretty dead. The only notifications i get are those "people you might know". It's a lot of them.
I just keep it so my SO can link her relationship status with my profile hahahaha
And sometimes she sends me funny videos there, but i watch them a week later because i forget that thing even exist.
Recently i deleted my instagram too because i was mainly using to watch hot fit chicks and it is a pretty unrealistic shitshow.
All the bad press about Facebook might be catching up to the company. New numbers from Edison Research show an an estimated 15 million fewer users in the United States compared to 2017. The biggest drop is in the very desirable 12- to 34-year-old group. Marketplace Tech got a first look at Edison's latest social media research. It revealed almost 80 percent of people in the U.S. are posting, tweeting or snapping, but fewer are going to Facebook. Marketplace’s Kimberly Adams talked with Larry Rosin, president of Edison Research. The following is an edited transcript of their conversation.
The cynical narrative, now, is that people move on from Facebook to Facebook-owned services like Instagram and WhatsApp. But I'm still happy to see a trend, there. Facebook was all about owning your life. A permanent record of every major and minor achievement and general milestone in your life, archived, commented and hyperlinked. Instagram is not. It's a silly place with nicknames and short videos that disappear after 24 hours. Most Instagram users I know post maybe once or twice a month, mostly just random things that look cool in photographs. It's more a place to follow celebs and such, basically reality TV. Meanwhile, WhatsApp is basically "SMS but using your WiFi", thus very personal but also very replaceable. I switched to Telegram with some of my friends, recently, and the transition was seamless. It's not really a "service" that locks you in, it's... a chat app. The only clutch WhatsApp has on me is certain group-chats used for organizing. Also, and this is probably naive, I don't think Facebook can read any messages, if they're end-to-end encrypted?
So yea, something will follow Facebook, just as Facebook followed myspace. But it might not be as absurdly privacy-invading. Even if it is owned by the same company. I allow myself to be cautiously optimistic.
Ignoring the lack of privacy and abuse of information, the reason i always rant about for leaving social media is, as you mentioned, that it's really just reality TV on 24 hour cycle. You made that comparison with influencers on instagram, but it really works for any app and people you know personally. It's all so fake. Instead of a reality show you watch for an hour a night, you have an app that you're scrolling though all day, looking through this key-hole sized window to other peoples lives that they control. It's so weird, and the need to show everyone that you are "living your best life" has gotten to the point where pop up museums and instagram-able pop-ups have become the norm in almost every major US city. Not that any of this is brand new but it has become the norm. It's absurd considering that everyone knows (and will tell you) that you can not believe everything on the internet but from what I've seen in my own friends circle and online, no one seems to actually understand and retain this golden rule. Then the outcome is that people see this, feel like crap about themselves, and buy back into the endless cycle of instant gratification that 1000 likes can give you. I know I'm not saying anything original here but it takes advantage of the human condition and I feel as though it doesn't get enough attention compared to the fact that most major social media outlets abuse information in every conceivable way (which is bad too but much less of a "grey area" and easier to fit in a headline.)
Yea, I mean, I agree with all this as it is kinda my skeptical default-attitude towards all "social trends", but I'm at the point where I don't see this ever going away completely as curiosity about other people's life is a part of the human condition. While there's evidence that this can have a negative impact on people's personalities, I think it's ultimately harmless compared to Facebook essentially owning the media rights to your own life. If Instagram is maybe even a little more abstract, a little more idealized in terms of what we post, at least that puts up another barrier between Facebook and the reality of my life, which... is a good thing?
Not dismissing any criticism of the mechanics of social media, here, but it's IMO wrong to say "it's all the same". There's a difference between a company having access to your personal life vs. giving you a window to see other people's life (who want that). Maybe that creates some social pressure to participate, but it's not quite as strong a force.
They can. They have the keys.
No they don't. That wouldn't be end-to-end encryption. Quoting Mark Zuckerberg's post about messaging from yesterday:
If he said so. But he doesn't have a good track record. Don't know if i would believe the man himself.
TLDR:
Also, in the past there were a lot of people getting personalized ads depending on what they type on the messages.
That's talking about Facebook Messenger (which isn't end-to-end encrypted), not WhatsApp.
It's also a pretty overblown story because it's really just an API permission that gives the ability to access a user's Messenger data, which some of those apps needed for functionality that interacted with Messenger. As far as I've seen, there's no evidence that any of them actually misused that permission for purposes outside their app functionality.
Oh, sorry. I messed up the two. I was talking about Facebook.
I understand the need for evidence and it's ok. In my case, it's about my privacy. I need evidence that the end to end encryption is really true and first of all, i need to trust them. They are a company based on tracking and collecting data, they did a lot of shitty things, so i don't trust them.
I'm not saying that they are spying on WhatsApp and i certainly would trust the app more if it wasn't owned by Facebook.
It's just better be safe.
You're right about the Facebook messenger app. I think what's app uses end to end encryption which Facebook cannot read. It gets confusing because Facebook owns both and this article doesn't mention what's app so I think it's talking about the default Facebook messenger.
I was making a purchase at a farm supply store and the salesperson asked "Are you on Facebook?". My reaction was almost convulsive: "No!" I exclaimed. "Oh, I just wanted to let you know about our weekly specials that we post on Facebook" she said defensively. "You must get off Facebook" I uttered reflexively.
Then I realized I had scared here with my reaction. Poor thing probably thought I was a nut case.
As I write this, I feel as I would have been someone who reacted to a sales clerk asking me... in 1935 ... in Germany "Are you a member of the Nazi Party?"
I told her I work for *** [a major software company] and therefore have an understanding of this technology and that the dangers of AI from all in information on Facebook is going to come back and bite us. You should see what advancements are being made now. In fact by 2050 or 2060 it is predicted that artificial intelligence will surpass all the knowledge of mankind combined. With all the systems and tools we turn over to automation, that is a very scary prospect.
She look even more frightened, not by what I said, by the fact that she did not understand anything of what I was talking about.
You're right. I've thought about sending an apology, but I think that would just compound the problem.
That's actually a pretty smart assessment of the situation.
I actually came back to FB after unfriending almost everyone and everything.
It's now my local government news aggregator where I go to find out what fun activities are being offered by the local rec center, my children's school, and to generally see what is going in the county, etc. I get zero news from FB and the only posts by "friends" I see are from my partner. My one guilty sin is I'm still part of a hilarious Simpson meme group. Also, FB marketplace is pretty good.
I've noticed that a lot of neighborhoods and communities use Nextdoor for that kind of thing, at least in the US. It's got a marketplace feature, event rsvps, as well as limited access for government agencies. I've noticed that politics tend to stay fairly isolated on there, which is definitely a plus for me.
Biggest issue I've seen is that "leads" (moderators) are simply the people who first added the neighborhood to the site, so there's always the chance that one goes AWOL. afaik nextdoor staff tends to be fairly passive.
Isn't that what Meetup does?
As a strict follower of the idea of never using Facebook, these suggestions will probably be off, but you do have options. One of the easiest ways would be emailing the group an iCal invitation, which you can do pretty easily with Google Calendar, Microsoft Exchange, or Mozilla Thunderbird (which may require an official extension). Then for recurring group events, you can use a service like Meetup.
My facebook profile is pretty dead. The only notifications i get are those "people you might know". It's a lot of them.
I just keep it so my SO can link her relationship status with my profile hahahaha
And sometimes she sends me funny videos there, but i watch them a week later because i forget that thing even exist.
Recently i deleted my instagram too because i was mainly using to watch hot fit chicks and it is a pretty unrealistic shitshow.
From the start of the article: