HA! My god, I was literally musing the other day about whether a peer-to-peer service might be able to challenge YouTube because it wouldn't have to worry about YouTube's inherent scalability...
HA! My god, I was literally musing the other day about whether a peer-to-peer service might be able to challenge YouTube because it wouldn't have to worry about YouTube's inherent scalability challenges, and it turns out it's already a thing. This is great, thanks for sharing! :)
Now it just has to worry about copyright, illegal content, monetization, regional regulations, (so on and so forth as no one seems to consider that youtbue doesn't just host your videos, but has...
Now it just has to worry about copyright, illegal content, monetization, regional regulations, (so on and so forth as no one seems to consider that youtbue doesn't just host your videos, but has the resources to handle all of this) and the inevitable fact that at some point one of the big players is going to want a kickback for allowing the uploading to their instance and they'll be able to wield this power by being one of the most federated.
Yeah, absolutely, I was purely thinking of the technical challenges behind doing so. I thought at this point, the expectations for a video streaming sight are so high that a centrally managed...
Yeah, absolutely, I was purely thinking of the technical challenges behind doing so. I thought at this point, the expectations for a video streaming sight are so high that a centrally managed service, like YouTube's, is impossible without the scale that Google offers, and with the exception of only a handful of companies (mainly Microsoft and Amazon), I can't think of another company with the same kind of resources. But a distributed model offloads the scaling problem onto its users, so assuming there's enough active users mirroring and seeding the content, it should make it feasible for a small company to manage. As you mentioned though, there's numerous other roadblocks that would make it difficult to work, but at least from a technical perspective, it's neat to see someone working on the idea. I'll have to give it a try later, this seems cool.
I have an account, but I can't really fund much content there that intrigues me. Which I guess is a good thing since I don't get stuck down a Video Rabbit Hole.
I have an account, but I can't really fund much content there that intrigues me. Which I guess is a good thing since I don't get stuck down a Video Rabbit Hole.
I'd love to see a decentralized version of content aggregation (like reddit and tildes) that works similar to PeerTube. Reddit has become so large that that now special interest groups are using...
I'd love to see a decentralized version of content aggregation (like reddit and tildes) that works similar to PeerTube.
Reddit has become so large that that now special interest groups are using it to control the narrative (GUH*).
I have mixed feelings on the ephemeral nature of aether. On one hand, I like that you don't have to worry about some dumb thing you said being dug up and held against you in the future, should you...
I have mixed feelings on the ephemeral nature of aether. On one hand, I like that you don't have to worry about some dumb thing you said being dug up and held against you in the future, should you choose to use the service in a less than anonymous manner, however, I feel like in doing so, you miss out on one of the greatest strengths of reddit, which is its ability to act as a resource. I've grown to dislike interacting on reddit, but it can be a really great place to learn about really niche subjects.
I am working on that. It's a link aggregator inspired by old reddit, federated using ActivityPub. Getting close to a beta release, but still not there. If you want to check out the project, it's a...
I am working on that. It's a link aggregator inspired by old reddit, federated using ActivityPub. Getting close to a beta release, but still not there. If you want to check out the project, it's a at https://github.com/mariusor/littr.go
I'm not the most tech-literate, so correct me if I'm wrong but would this essentially operate like LimeWire, with maybe some more modern social media on top of it? EDIT: After reading more, it...
I'm not the most tech-literate, so correct me if I'm wrong but would this essentially operate like LimeWire, with maybe some more modern social media on top of it?
EDIT: After reading more, it sounds like it will have the option to operate like LimeWire, but you can also let a dedicated "federation" host your videos for you instead of doing it off of your own machine? I guess that would make sense since more creators wouldn't want to have their pc running 24/7 to host their content.
It's YouTube. What sets it apart that allows anyone to get a YouTube server of their own, without fear of seeing your videos banned for any reason (decentralisation). Except some of the servers...
It's YouTube. What sets it apart that allows anyone to get a YouTube server of their own, without fear of seeing your videos banned for any reason (decentralisation). Except some of the servers work together (a federation) so that you don't need to visit a thousand servers to view your subscriptions. It's supposed to be transparent for regular users so you don't need to worry about technical stuff but for content creators it's extra freedom.
What you say is true, but not quite what @WendigoTulpa seems to be asking about. They seem to be asking about whether users' machines will be involved in serving videos to other users, and the...
What you say is true, but not quite what @WendigoTulpa seems to be asking about. They seem to be asking about whether users' machines will be involved in serving videos to other users, and the answer there is "yes". Not only does the server serve the video content to you, but other users will as well (à la bittorrent or LimeWire). For instance, if you click on the video in the OP article, it will list some number of peers that you are connected and sharing data with.
This is an important property of PeerTube. Video hosting is expensive. Like, really expensive. So, to be able to compete with YouTube, not only would you want decentralization with ActivityPub, but you also want to distribute the load across your clients. This means that if a video becomes super popular, the server sees a lot less load than they would otherwise. For the long tail of videos, the server will still be doing about as much work as YouTube, but those are also the videos that are significantly less likely to be seen.
HA! My god, I was literally musing the other day about whether a peer-to-peer service might be able to challenge YouTube because it wouldn't have to worry about YouTube's inherent scalability challenges, and it turns out it's already a thing. This is great, thanks for sharing! :)
Now it just has to worry about copyright, illegal content, monetization, regional regulations, (so on and so forth as no one seems to consider that youtbue doesn't just host your videos, but has the resources to handle all of this) and the inevitable fact that at some point one of the big players is going to want a kickback for allowing the uploading to their instance and they'll be able to wield this power by being one of the most federated.
Yeah, absolutely, I was purely thinking of the technical challenges behind doing so. I thought at this point, the expectations for a video streaming sight are so high that a centrally managed service, like YouTube's, is impossible without the scale that Google offers, and with the exception of only a handful of companies (mainly Microsoft and Amazon), I can't think of another company with the same kind of resources. But a distributed model offloads the scaling problem onto its users, so assuming there's enough active users mirroring and seeding the content, it should make it feasible for a small company to manage. As you mentioned though, there's numerous other roadblocks that would make it difficult to work, but at least from a technical perspective, it's neat to see someone working on the idea. I'll have to give it a try later, this seems cool.
Agreed on all points. I'm eager to see it spread and see how they handle it, if at all. I will be checking it out though for sure.
You might also find LBRY interesting.
I have an account, but I can't really fund much content there that intrigues me. Which I guess is a good thing since I don't get stuck down a Video Rabbit Hole.
I'd love to see a decentralized version of content aggregation (like reddit and tildes) that works similar to PeerTube.
Reddit has become so large that that now special interest groups are using it to control the narrative (GUH*).
https://getaether.net/
I have mixed feelings on the ephemeral nature of aether. On one hand, I like that you don't have to worry about some dumb thing you said being dug up and held against you in the future, should you choose to use the service in a less than anonymous manner, however, I feel like in doing so, you miss out on one of the greatest strengths of reddit, which is its ability to act as a resource. I've grown to dislike interacting on reddit, but it can be a really great place to learn about really niche subjects.
I am working on that. It's a link aggregator inspired by old reddit, federated using ActivityPub. Getting close to a beta release, but still not there. If you want to check out the project, it's a at https://github.com/mariusor/littr.go
There are also two other projects that are a bit more developed: https://prismo.xyz/ and https://dev.lemmy.ml/.
I'm not the most tech-literate, so correct me if I'm wrong but would this essentially operate like LimeWire, with maybe some more modern social media on top of it?
EDIT: After reading more, it sounds like it will have the option to operate like LimeWire, but you can also let a dedicated "federation" host your videos for you instead of doing it off of your own machine? I guess that would make sense since more creators wouldn't want to have their pc running 24/7 to host their content.
It's YouTube. What sets it apart that allows anyone to get a YouTube server of their own, without fear of seeing your videos banned for any reason (decentralisation). Except some of the servers work together (a federation) so that you don't need to visit a thousand servers to view your subscriptions. It's supposed to be transparent for regular users so you don't need to worry about technical stuff but for content creators it's extra freedom.
What you say is true, but not quite what @WendigoTulpa seems to be asking about. They seem to be asking about whether users' machines will be involved in serving videos to other users, and the answer there is "yes". Not only does the server serve the video content to you, but other users will as well (à la bittorrent or LimeWire). For instance, if you click on the video in the OP article, it will list some number of peers that you are connected and sharing data with.
This is an important property of PeerTube. Video hosting is expensive. Like, really expensive. So, to be able to compete with YouTube, not only would you want decentralization with ActivityPub, but you also want to distribute the load across your clients. This means that if a video becomes super popular, the server sees a lot less load than they would otherwise. For the long tail of videos, the server will still be doing about as much work as YouTube, but those are also the videos that are significantly less likely to be seen.
I wonder how well this will work in the case of copyrighted content. Would everybody who watched a video get in legal trouble if it's taken down?