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Introducing the PineNote, a high-end e-ink device from Pine64

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  1. [14]
    archevel
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    I am rarely excited about products, but the PineNote seems like something I would really want! If it is easy to hook up a keyboard to I'd consider using it as a primary interface for work even....

    I am rarely excited about products, but the PineNote seems like something I would really want! If it is easy to hook up a keyboard to I'd consider using it as a primary interface for work even. I'd need a separate computer somewhere to compile code and run software, but this seems like it would be capable to run a simple shell to interact with that computer remotely... I really like eink displays as a concept! Need to read up on this some more.

    11 votes
    1. [13]
      cfabbro
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      Ditto. I couldn't care less about the PinePhone, but an e-ink tablet for only $400 with a 1404x1872, 10.1", touchscreen has piqued my interest. I was considering getting a Kobo Elipsa ($500) or...

      Ditto. I couldn't care less about the PinePhone, but an e-ink tablet for only $400 with a 1404x1872, 10.1", 60hz touchscreen has piqued my interest. I was considering getting a Kobo Elipsa ($500) or one of the larger Onyx BOOX models ($600-$1200) to replace my ancient Kindle with, but the PineNote seems like it could potentially be a really good option now too... especially since the software will undoubtedly be a lot more open to tinkering with than the Kobo, Onyx, and newer Kindles.

      9 votes
      1. [7]
        Apos
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        They updated the page and removed the 60hz mention.

        They updated the page and removed the 60hz mention.

        4 votes
        1. [6]
          archevel
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          Would be cool if it is anywhere close to that (maybe play doom on eInk would be feasible). But as long as it is above say 15hz I think I would consider it. But then again I have low standards :)

          Would be cool if it is anywhere close to that (maybe play doom on eInk would be feasible). But as long as it is above say 15hz I think I would consider it. But then again I have low standards :)

          4 votes
          1. [4]
            mat
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            It looks like they're using eInk's Carta display tech, which is very nice to look at but it's still not speedy on page refreshes. 450ms is the stated update time for grayscale. So that's around...

            It looks like they're using eInk's Carta display tech, which is very nice to look at but it's still not speedy on page refreshes. 450ms is the stated update time for grayscale. So that's around 0.5Hz.

            It can appear much less than that in certain circumstances, you don't always have to redraw the entire page like you do with an LCD, but then sometimes you have to blackout/blank the whole screen before redrawing which can mean a refresh can take 1.5s. So it's very dependent on what you're showing and what you're doing to it. But I think it's safe to say you're not going to be scrolling or typing smoothly on eink anytime soon.

            12 votes
            1. [3]
              Pistos
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              Pardon the interjection, but wouldn't that be "around 2Hz" instead? 1000 ms per second / 450 ms per refresh = 2.22(2....) refreshes per second

              450ms is the stated update time for grayscale. So that's around 0.5Hz.

              Pardon the interjection, but wouldn't that be "around 2Hz" instead? 1000 ms per second / 450 ms per refresh = 2.22(2....) refreshes per second

              7 votes
              1. [2]
                mat
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                You are correct, not sure how I got that so badly wrong. Thanks!

                You are correct, not sure how I got that so badly wrong. Thanks!

                4 votes
                1. Pistos
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                  No worries! :) Everyone does this kind of thing now and again.

                  No worries! :) Everyone does this kind of thing now and again.

                  1 vote
          2. mat
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            Oh, and regarding Doom on eink - obviously someone has already done it, but I'm not sure 'feasible' is the right word.. That video is several generations of eink old though.

            Oh, and regarding Doom on eink - obviously someone has already done it, but I'm not sure 'feasible' is the right word.. That video is several generations of eink old though.

            4 votes
      2. [5]
        tomf
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        on a side node, are you using KoReader with your Kindle? I use it with my Kobo Libra and love it. It's so nice to have the reader in landscape with two columns.

        on a side node, are you using KoReader with your Kindle? I use it with my Kobo Libra and love it. It's so nice to have the reader in landscape with two columns.

        4 votes
        1. [4]
          cfabbro
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          Nope. My ancient Kindle Touch is jailbroken though, so I should probably give it a try. Thanks for making me aware of it.

          Nope. My ancient Kindle Touch is jailbroken though, so I should probably give it a try. Thanks for making me aware of it.

          3 votes
          1. [3]
            tomf
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            Its pretty slick. If you ever go with a Kobo, there's also Plato -- but I haven't used it much. I believe its Kobo-only. It's pretty cool how big the 'jailbreaking' scene is for eReaders.

            Its pretty slick. If you ever go with a Kobo, there's also Plato -- but I haven't used it much. I believe its Kobo-only.

            It's pretty cool how big the 'jailbreaking' scene is for eReaders.

            3 votes
            1. [2]
              cfabbro
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              They both look pretty slick, TBH. So I will try to remember it if I decide to go with a Kobo. Sadly, I don't know much about the jailbreak scene though, since even jailbroken my Kindle is still...

              They both look pretty slick, TBH. So I will try to remember it if I decide to go with a Kobo.

              Sadly, I don't know much about the jailbreak scene though, since even jailbroken my Kindle is still pretty limited in what it can do and it's so old I'm not even sure if it could run KoReader. But I do have a few tweaks installed, such as a custom font, margins, and keyboard, that I wouldn't be able to live without, which is why I have stuck with it for as long as I have... especially since the newer Kindles are supposedly much harder to Jailbreak. That, and the still annoyingly small screen sizes for the newest Kindles are the reasons I have been looking at alternatives though.

              p.s. You forgot a ] in your markdown ;)

              2 votes
              1. tomf
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                ] added! Kobos are awesome. I picked up a Libra that is 7", which is good, but I kind of regret not going a little bigger to make magazines and such easier. Next time I buy one, I think I'll go 9"...

                ] added!

                Kobos are awesome. I picked up a Libra that is 7", which is good, but I kind of regret not going a little bigger to make magazines and such easier. Next time I buy one, I think I'll go 9" or 10".

                Having the device in landscape with two columns really makes it feel like a book. The displays are great and Koreader (and Plato) have tweaked the refresh rate for better performance. Plato's defaults have excellent performance at the cost of some ghosting --- but you only see it with sliders. You can have either do a full refresh every page or every few pages.

                Kobos are more open, which is really nice. Even without other software you can use pdfs, epub, etc, get books from Overdrive/Libby, sync Pocket, and more. The whole 'hacking' side of things is a breeze, too. I think you can easily have it sync with a Calibre library.

                3 votes
  2. top
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    Same screen dimensions and resolution as the Remarkable 2, and a very similar form factor. I have an RM2 and really like the screen and size, and it has a nice community of devs and modders....

    Same screen dimensions and resolution as the Remarkable 2, and a very similar form factor. I have an RM2 and really like the screen and size, and it has a nice community of devs and modders. Still, it's pretty tempting to sell it for a PineNote so I can run real desktop Linux stuff instead of the hacky homebrew apps.

    10 votes
  3. [2]
    Eric_the_Cerise
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    Oddly, no "let me know when I can order it" link ... at least not that I saw.

    Oddly, no "let me know when I can order it" link ... at least not that I saw.

    7 votes
    1. archevel
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      This would actually be a pretty nice service to set up. Let me specify a product I want at various levels of detail and then send me a link when I can order it from somewhere.

      This would actually be a pretty nice service to set up. Let me specify a product I want at various levels of detail and then send me a link when I can order it from somewhere.

      3 votes
  4. jcdl
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    I'm really glad this was just announced. I've been eying the reMarkable 2, but I'd much rather have something with a heavy focus on open source software.

    I'm really glad this was just announced. I've been eying the reMarkable 2, but I'd much rather have something with a heavy focus on open source software.

    7 votes
  5. moocow1452
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    I picked up one of these Boox Readers that run Android a while back, you can even put the Play Store on them and read all sorts of stuff, and yes, run Doom if you really wanted to. I got it for...

    I picked up one of these Boox Readers that run Android a while back, you can even put the Play Store on them and read all sorts of stuff, and yes, run Doom if you really wanted to. I got it for comic books but it's a little small for that, but it's still perfectly useable otherwise, so long as you don't mind working with a Chinese manufacturer.

    2 votes
  6. ras
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    I've been keeping my eye on this space for a while. I like the idea of having a notepad/reading device. Has anyone here tried the Kobo Elipsa? I've seen several positive reviews of the Remarkable...

    I've been keeping my eye on this space for a while. I like the idea of having a notepad/reading device. Has anyone here tried the Kobo Elipsa? I've seen several positive reviews of the Remarkable 2 as well. I'm actually not that concerned about being able to tinker/sideload/hack the device. Anyone have thoughts on which one is the most stable/polished?

    2 votes