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Is filtering working properly?
Are we able to filter things like music and anime by simply adding those keywords to the filter?
I tried adding the tilde in front and that didn’t work either.
Is this operator error or perhaps a good place for me to learn some pyramid and make a PR?
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve here, so I'll try to get you an answer as best I can.
If you're talking about the ~anime and ~music groups, and you would like to not see topics posted in these groups, you will want to unsubscribe to them from this page.
However, if you're trying to filter specific tags, then you can do that globally in your user settings.
It sounds like you're trying to do the former, but let me know if I'm incorrect in my understanding.
Thank you!
You’re absolutely right. I was trying to do the former and botched the lingo. Unsubbed now successfully.
This is good user input, you can't be the only one to have this experience (or will).
Perhaps when you mute and it detects a possible tilde it should unsubscribe? Or add an option to do so? Would that help ease the transition?
I personally think that would be Overkill, but that's just my 2 cents.
I was looking for the unsubscribe functionality and just got confused that when I filtered the name of a community, it still showed up in my feed.
Is the etiquitte here to delete this post or should I leave it?
We've got lots of new folks coming in and you know what? The intro post doesn't exactly explain how the subscription mechanics work. I'm working on a new one (the site's going public this week) so I'll make sure that gets fixed. You should leave this up, new folks will find it and it'll help them out.
I've heard this said a few times within the past few days—can you explain why? I am aware Tildes is going public in the immediate short term, but I wasn't aware of the current higher user ingestion rate.
Tildes has reached the point where it's got actual internet mindshare for the first time.
When people on 4chan, hacker news, reddit, twitter, facebook etc get into conversations about 'reddit alternatives' odds are good that someone will mention Tildes. If your google-fu is strong you can track down discussions like this all over the web.
Hackernews and Reddit both had major threads where several users mentioned Tildes in their comments. That's driven about 800 people to /r/tildes to ask for invites (which we are handing out faster than before) and I believe Deimos mentioned he's done something like 500 invite emails in the last day or two. That's a bit over a thousand new users, which is a bit over a 10% increase in the userbase in two days. It doesn't seem like a lot until you look at it as one in ten people you see here on Tildes will be a new user.
Deimos is going to make Tildes public before the end of the week barring any more reddit drama driving in more large groups, and since the china thing seems to have blown over I don't think we'll have any more large mentions for a while. When that happens, people will be able to read everything on Tildes without accounts. This is good for two reasons - they will be able to decide for themselves if they want to join without having to get invited first, and because people who've been banned for being asshats here won't be able to make up bullshit about Tildes on other sites any longer (yes, that's happened multiple times).
Once Tildes goes public, we'll probably start growing at a faster pace. We might also have a spike of viral activity, since Tildes is literally the only not-shit reddit-like forum out there right now and I think that's kinda obvious when you look at the front pages of the various alternatives. Tildes is also the only good one of the bunch that isn't exclusively tech-oriented, like lobsters and hackernews, so that's also going to cause interest.
I expect we'll close invites until the viral activity is over, then bring in whoever is interested enough to come back and ask a couple days later. So yeah, next couple of weeks are going to see more and more new users.
Remember, they don't get access to comment labeling for seven days - but everyone else still has it. Use your malice tags on the bigots and trolls, but try not to be overly judgemental, and remember that everyone coming in from the rest of the internet is basically a recovering rage addict. Try to help them out a bit. Also use your exemplary labels, show people some love for good content, help them come to understand the site culture we've all created here.
I'm working on a new/more complete intro to tildes post for when things go public that should help take some of the work out of educating everyone as well.
I like Hubski :(
You're really not wrong though. With whatever alternatives that are out there, few are active at all. Out of those that are, they almost entirely are focused on one area or have a userbase that swims in a shared ideology that turns off users who might have conflicting world views straight away.
In any case, I'm happy to be here. It's a breath of fresh air to be certain.
I would't quite classify hubski as reddit-like. They've departed quite a bit from reddit's interface. Not that that's a bad thing by any means. I've seen lots of comments from people in the alternatives threads online where they just don't quite 'get' hubski's system at a glance. It isn't scratching the reddit-alike niche at a glance. Tildes does.
I'm out of the loop—have all those people whose comments haven't been mod-removed still waiting for invites? I ask because it's strange to see so many requests, when prior threads offering a few invites seemed to garner little attention, and had me worried that interest was waning.
Okay, thanks. It's great to see that level of interest. The threads I was referring to were more of the "I have ten invites to give away" type, and it would be six hours old and have something like five comments.
Yeah, there have been dozens of those user submitted "I have X invites to give away" threads over the last 8 months, all generating varying degrees of interest. If you look in my profile - comments section you will see lots of "removed because" messages from me announcing why I am removing them (usually because OP ran out of invites or the thread ran its course) but there have also been an equal number where the OP deleted the thread themselves when they ran out of invites. Overall those user created invite threads have never really been particularly busy though, probably because there is almost always an official invite request thread open at the same time and so the only people responding to them are people hoping to skip ahead of the queue in the official request threads. ;)
That clears it up. Good to see that level of interest, and some more activity happening here now. It had become a bit slow here, so I was beginning to worry interest was waning.
You and me both, but I think that was largely just because of the holidays (I myself took 20+ days off)... that and there hadn't been any major site updates or reddit controversies for a while driving traffic to the site. That changed a few days ago with the whole $300M reddit VC round though, and will likely continue once Deimos opens the site up to public viewing (which he actually did today for a few hours so we could test it and make sure everything was working). But some time later this week he will likely permanently throw the switch, make a blog post about it and another wave of interest will be coming our way... so I wouldn't worry too much. I think we're getting pretty close to properly self-sustaining levels of activity now.
Hah, that must have been a nail-biting moment. Even though you're pretty sure it's all working fine, opening for the first time even for a few hours is a pretty big step. Glad there's confidence in sustainability from people more in-the-know than myself. I'm really curious what the impressions of the general public are going to be after all the rumors and misinformation that went around for a while.
Heh, you have no idea... a few banned users in particular have been consistently trying to spread complete BS about the site on reddit on the regular. Thankfully everything being publicly viewable will make that much harder for them to do from then on though, so I am looking forward to that.
I saw a few of those when I had more time on reddit. I was here for one of the bannings, and saw the negative thread that resulted on reddit. It would have been nice then for people to be able to see the context.
Awesome. Thanks for letting me know.
I've seen Deimos and know that's Mark, the OC. I've also seen plenty of posts from you. What's your roll? I'd love to have a conversation with the team as I'm working on a very similar product and would love to collaborate. Have reached out to Mark and excitedly awaiting his response.
My role is basically 'asshole with opinions' and spare time so I go around trying to invite people and help them get up to speed. I also love debating and exploring the mechanics of possible features in ~tildes. I try to pitch in where I can, I want to see this place redefine what the concept of a 'forum' can be.
On reddit I'm /u/evilnight.
Oi! That's my job!
Mine too! "How many assholes we got on this ship, anyhow? ... I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes."
Awesome! Thanks for the intro here. I think I sent you a few messages on Reddit. Looking forward to running into you more here as well. Cheers!
Are we duplicating effort?
I'm not sure! I wanted to put something together to sticky over on /r/tildes when the site goes public. Something that doesn't go into details about things like settings and subscriptions but was a more general 'wtf is tildes' sort of introduction, with links to lots of threads here so people could hit some of the highlights. Also need to redo the sidebar of that subreddit. That needs doing like tonight or tomorrow since we want it there when the site goes public.
We also need an updated intro to tildes for new users that brings them up to speed, that one's pretty good but doesn't go over subscriptions and some of the other questions new folks have asked in the last couple days.
Since I haven't actually started any of this yet (was just about to begin when I saw your comment) we haven't duplicated effort yet. How would you like to proceed? Which part were you working on and should we team up? :)
I'm thinking of something a bit more detailed - kind of like the /r/Help FAQ page (but better, because I never really felt free to totally reinvent that page like I did with the /r/AskHistorians FAQ page). I'm already considering headings like:
Introduction to Tildes
Tildes background [link to docs]
The Tildes front page
Sorting posts
Tildes groups
Subscribing to a group
Unsubscribing from a group
Creating groups (you can't!)
Posting on Tildes
Making a post
Post tags
Commenting on Tildes
Making a comment
Comment labels
User settings
... and so on. I'll probably make each main heading its own page.
So it looks like they'll be complementary, rather than duplicatory (yes, I just made up a word!).
But I can't start work on it until the weekend.
EDIT: So many typos!
P.S. Please don't take my list of headings here as final or exhaustive. They are merely indicative.
I know that. It will be correct in the actual wiki.
P.S. Sometimes you have to use the word people expect to see in the title, so you can then use the actual word in the explanation. If you didn't already know that posts on Tildes were called "topics", and you were looking for instructions on how to post on Tildes... what heading would you look for: "Posting on Tildes" or "Topics on Tildes"?
I really think
needs to be it's own heading somewhere near the top, probably right under the docs link, because it's exceedingly important in understanding what Deimos (and all of us, I suppose) are trying to achieve here, and very important reading for a new user.
I believe that sort of thing will be better suited to @Amarok's "Introduction to Tildes" post. I'm intending to write more of a "how to" guide. It will include links to the official docs, but its focus will be more on the features of Tildes than the motives behind Tildes.
Ah, okay, that makes sense. As long as it's stressed somewhere that a new user is likely to read, it should get the message across. I had read the docs in their entirety (it's not much; most users should just read them first) before even loading up the front page and was surprised how interesting and fleshed-out the concepts are, and it's really required reading if you want to get the most out of this place and not have your comments collapsed for posting reddit-like garbage.
I'll definitely include it in the sticky for /r/tildes when it goes public. Working on building that now. :)
Groovy, I'll focus on the wtf is aspect then since that sounds like a much more detailed/informative take for the users than what I had in mind. :)
I thought it was pretty evident, but maybe having extensive experience with reddit has helped.
It would have done sooner if not for the wave of reddit outrage over china. Going public at the exact same time that reddit has ten bitchfests at the top of /r/all is a great way to become internationally famous instantly. It is however not a great way to grow a healthy community.
This is not the time for that sort of publicity. Once the trust systems and group-subgroup mechanics are in place, and we have better systems of handling abuse and the first truly community-drafted moderators in place in internet history, maybe then we can play the publicity game. Until then, Metafilter has definitely got the right idea. When you go viral, you also go quiet, and let the storm pass you by. :)
You've been around Tildes long enough to have noticed that there are no memes or gifs here. There aren't even references to memes or gifs here.
This is what I love about Tildes. The lack of memes & gifs. I sincerely hope comments like the one you just responded to don't catch on.
Sometimes I feel like my flagging of "joke" & "noise" doesn't really do anything or have any immediate feedback, which is discouraging. Has reputation/weighting on labels based on the labeller been implemented yet?
Oh yeah—I definitely know comment labelling has an effect currently, but I was wondering what the state of the push to make more prominent community members have more labelling gravitas was at. I guess there needs to be a whole discussion around how reputation/gravitas is scored and how it decays with time too.
Tildes is recording lots of stuff - votes, tags, labels, comments, etc. The site has a good idea of someone's participation and the metrics we want to base trust on. There aren't really any systems that act on this information yet, though, as far as I'm aware.
Why must his comment collapsing cause me to miss the rest of this discussion, though? You know a lot about this place. Was that by design? If I hadn't out of curiosity clicked the
-next to his name, I'd not have read the (interesting) conversation below. Shouldn't it just collapse his comment, but not the ensuing comments? I get that it's collapsing his comment and all children, but it doesn't do much good if I have to re-expand every collapsed comment I see to know if there's good conversation beneath it. (And if I'm not clear, of course that comment should be collapsed in the context of this being Tildes).Yes, that's exactly what I mean. I've seen it more than once, which is what prompted me to ask. I like the idea that in cases where it generates good discussion unrelated to the Noise comment, it could collapse just the Noise comment and leave the ensuing posts. Probably going to be important as Tildes grows.
Yes, it's by design: when a comment is collapsed, all its child comments are also collapsed.
If that functionality doesn't provide the best experience for you, I highly encourage you to post a topic here in ~tildes to share that feedback, and see what other people think. That's the point of an alpha-testing website: to try things out, and get feedback from users about what works and what doesn't work.
I replied to Bauke (link so I don't repeat myself).
I hesitate to post there about every little thing I notice, because I know there were conversations here well before I got an invite that discussed a lot of these site functionality issues, and much of this may have already been sussed out. I read a lot of the older threads, but there's always the chance I missed something major.
The "masses" are probably never going to come to Tildes, because Tildes focuses on commentary quality & sustainability over growth. Does anyone really want hordes of people here? It should be a sustainable, high quality discussion community that respects user privacy while also earning @Deimos and any other administrators enough to live comfortably.
Heh. If we build a quality content site, the horde will inevitably come. That's what it does... burn down the party house, then crash the next party until a fire starts that burns it down, and so on, and so on, and so on, since usenet.
I don't really take such a negative (realistic?) view; if a horde does appear at the Tildes doorsteps, then public signups can be turned off until needed, and the pool of trusted community members—a wider, broader group than a small number of moderators—can reduce their visibility drastically until they give up and move on.
You're free to do either, but leaving the post up might help others in the future if they run into the same question and find it in search.
I'll go with that. Those wiser users than us, if you come across this in the future and deem it should be deleted, please let that be known to us.
I'd say leave it, was helpful for me.
10 4 - leaving it.