11 votes

Domain names as tags

14 comments

  1. [10]
    Deimos (edited ) Link
    This particular case is a bit confusing. We've been using the "long read" tag for... articles that take a long time to read (personally, I usually use it if the article's over 3000 words or so)....

    This particular case is a bit confusing. We've been using the "long read" tag for... articles that take a long time to read (personally, I usually use it if the article's over 3000 words or so). However, the post you linked to is from the site named "longreads", so it was tagged with that, which isn't quite the same.

    I agree with you that we shouldn't tag posts with the domain they're from in general though (and I would have removed that "longreads" tag, but I'll leave it now so this post makes a little more sense). Really, we probably shouldn't need a "long read" tag either and could just do that based on word count, but the word count system is still fairly new and incomplete (it doesn't work on all sites).

    We do have a very minimal tag-rewriting already, which (I think) only rewrites "spoilers" to "spoiler" so far. There's also a merge request that enables some autocomplete behavior for tags, which will help a lot. It's most of the way there but still has a few issues that I need to work through.

    7 votes
    1. [2]
      Adys Link Parent
      I've sometimes tagged video posts with the youtube author. For some youtubers (Wendover, CGPGrey, Veritasium, Contra, etc) I think it makes a lot of sense. This is useful I think, and I could see...

      I've sometimes tagged video posts with the youtube author. For some youtubers (Wendover, CGPGrey, Veritasium, Contra, etc) I think it makes a lot of sense. This is useful I think, and I could see the argument for doing it with domain names (sometimes).

      4 votes
      1. Deimos Link Parent
        Yeah, it definitely makes sense to label the creator/channel of YouTube videos, either in the title or a tag. Again, it's something we can do more properly/officially, but that's not there yet at...

        Yeah, it definitely makes sense to label the creator/channel of YouTube videos, either in the title or a tag. Again, it's something we can do more properly/officially, but that's not there yet at this point, so it's best to just use the title/tags for now.

        5 votes
    2. [2]
      ThatFanficGuy Link Parent
      Maybe include the TLD in the tag? longreads.com looks dissimilar enough to long read to avoid confusion.

      However, the post you linked to is from the site named "longreads", so it was tagged with that, which isn't quite the same.

      Maybe include the TLD in the tag? longreads.com looks dissimilar enough to long read to avoid confusion.

      3 votes
      1. Deimos Link Parent
        Tags can't contain periods, and we shouldn't use tags for domains anyway. We already have the domain and it's already being displayed on every post, putting it in the tags just duplicates it. The...

        Tags can't contain periods, and we shouldn't use tags for domains anyway. We already have the domain and it's already being displayed on every post, putting it in the tags just duplicates it. The search system does need to be able to search domains though (which it doesn't do currently).

        6 votes
    3. [3]
      hungariantoast Link Parent
      I'm still a huge fan of the idea of making the domain name on the listing page (where it replaced submitter usernames) a link that filters topics on Tildes or in a specific group by that domain....

      I'm still a huge fan of the idea of making the domain name on the listing page (where it replaced submitter usernames) a link that filters topics on Tildes or in a specific group by that domain.

      As you probably already know, Lobsters does this and I think it's pretty cool.

      Unlike Lobsters however, the domain doesn't need to be special, it can just be an automatically generated tag that can be manipulated like any other tag, except it sits in a special spot in place of submitter usernames in most groups.

      Since automatic domain tags aren't a thing, I've been trying to put the name of the publication, website, magazine, etc. in the tags for a topic.

      For instance, I posted this topic linking to an article by Road & Track and tagged the topic with road and track. Should I not be doing this?

      Also, in groups where usernames are displayed for link topics, should we perhaps add the domain back somewhere on that topic's block?

      What I mean is, this topic in ~creative is a link topic, but because it's in ~creative the submitter username is displayed instead of the domain, but the domain isn't displayed at all.

      Perhaps in this case the domain should be added automatically as a regular tag?

      1 vote
      1. [2]
        Deimos Link Parent
        I would say that yes, you shouldn't be adding tags like "road and track", unless they add information that's not redundant with the domain itself. As mentioned in other comments, something like...

        I would say that yes, you shouldn't be adding tags like "road and track", unless they add information that's not redundant with the domain itself. As mentioned in other comments, something like the YouTube channel name isn't redundant, it's separate information. But a "road and track" tag when the domain is "roadandtrack.com" doesn't really add anything that isn't already there.

        Being able to click the domains to see all posts from that domain would definitely be nice. Again, this is mostly just dependent on the search system having support for it, and then we can probably just link it to a search results page for that domain.

        The ~creative situation is a little more tricky because the domain isn't shown in the listing any more, but I generally don't think it's very important. The specific site hosting the image doesn't matter much, and the information is still available via the site's icon (assuming you can recognize the imgur logo) or mousing over the link (assuming you're using a mouse). I don't think an "imgur" tag would really add much.

        4 votes
        1. hungariantoast Link Parent
          My primary concern was that, if we were able to click on the domain of a link in the listing page, and have that take us to a list of topics linking that domain, it would be impossible to complete...

          My primary concern was that, if we were able to click on the domain of a link in the listing page, and have that take us to a list of topics linking that domain, it would be impossible to complete that navigation using link topics in groups where submitter usernames are always displayed, since the domain doesn't appear at all.

          Like you said though, this isn't really that important, considering someone could just navigate to the URL the link topic points to, and grab the domain from there for searching, if that's what they wanted.

          As far as the road and track tag, I'll remove it later today. I've been wanting to go through and correct some of my old topic tags anyways, so this is a good excuse.

          1 vote
    4. masochist Link Parent
      It is a bit confusing, yes. And I agree with you that this particular case it makes sense to remove the tag altogether because we have the information elsewhere in the post (which corroborates the...

      It is a bit confusing, yes. And I agree with you that this particular case it makes sense to remove the tag altogether because we have the information elsewhere in the post (which corroborates the argument I made in my OP). Would you think it reasonable to retire the tag when the word count feature is more robust?

      I had no idea about the spoilers -> spoiler rewrite, that's cool! That's exactly what I had in mind in my post and it's really encouraging to see you thought of it already. :D

      1 vote
    5. haykam821 Link Parent
      I also opened an issue about the tags mentioned in the docs not being synonyms on Tildes itself.

      I also opened an issue about the tags mentioned in the docs not being synonyms on Tildes itself.

      1 vote
  2. [4]
    masochist Link
    First, I'm not trying to pick on anyone with this post, or single out anyone as doing something bad, but it's an example I saw and I wanted to have a discussion about it so we can all make the...

    First, I'm not trying to pick on anyone with this post, or single out anyone as doing something bad, but it's an example I saw and I wanted to have a discussion about it so we can all make the site better going forward.

    This post came up and I'm wondering about how we do tagging here. I've helped run larger sites that have tag collections (books, in this case, not links / discussion posts), and I learned a good deal there. One thing I learned is to not have tags for something you can search for otherwise. For books, this is things like authors, titles, publisher, that kind of thing. For submissions here, it's the domain, ideally one day the submitter, that kind of thing.

    Furthermore, the longread tag is a duplicate of the long_read tag. I have a lot of experience with deduplicating tags like this, and one thing that worked really well was a silent tag rewriting system: something that would, on input, look for tags that have been marked as duplicates and then change them to the canonical version in the database and on display. This addressed common typos but also helped us standardize on one specific tag for something that could be referenced in a number of different ways. It's important to not interrupt the flow of content submission with this, but document it so the user knows what's happening. If they submit something with tag foo and it shows up in their post as food, we want to be sure they know why so they don't try to change the tags.

    Again, not meaning to pick on anyone, but this is something I have some experience with and would like some feedback on.

    2 votes
    1. [2]
      suspended Link Parent
      Have you read the Topic Tagging doc?

      Have you read the Topic Tagging doc?

      1 vote
      1. masochist Link Parent
        It covers some useful things, but I'm proposing something a bit beyond that.

        It covers some useful things, but I'm proposing something a bit beyond that.

        1 vote
    2. Algernon_Asimov Link Parent
      I agree that we shouldn't create redundant tags: We don't need to tag something as "movies" when it's posted to ~movies. We don't need to tag something as "new york times" when the domain shows...

      I agree that we shouldn't create redundant tags:

      • We don't need to tag something as "movies" when it's posted to ~movies.

      • We don't need to tag something as "new york times" when the domain shows "www.newyorktimes.com".

      1 vote