16 votes

Being 'notified' of highly upvoted posts even if you aren't subscribed to that particular tilde?

There are a few tilde categories that I'm not subscribed to. However, I'd like to 'see' or be 'notified' if a particular post reaches a certain threshold.

For example, let's say that I am unsubscribed from ~sports. Then there is a post, in ~sports, that receives a vote count of 20. I'd be interested in seeing that.

Does this make sense? What say you?

12 comments

  1. [11]
    Wes
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    While I obviously can't speak for Deimos, I feel this change is probably not in line with the kind of design he intends for Tildes. Tildes grants a greater focus on user control and filtering,...

    While I obviously can't speak for Deimos, I feel this change is probably not in line with the kind of design he intends for Tildes. Tildes grants a greater focus on user control and filtering, rather than algorithmic "boosting" factors. That seems more like a reddit change to drive engagement, which Deim has spoken out against.

    Rather than notifications though, a select view for filtering popular posts (ala reddit's /r/popular) does seem like a reasonable enough ask. I'm not sure how difficult that would be to implement on the server-side.

    9 votes
    1. [2]
      hungariantoast
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      Giving users the ability to fine tune what content they see, such that they can specify only seeing content from a specific group if it reaches a certain threshold of votes or comments, is a...

      Giving users the ability to fine tune what content they see, such that they can specify only seeing content from a specific group if it reaches a certain threshold of votes or comments, is a really nice way to grant users "a greater focus on user control and filtering" than forcing them to either arbitrarily be subscribed or not to a specific group. Seeing content from a specific group does not have to come down to a binary subscribe/unsubscribe choice, and it would be really nice to have an adjustable, algorithmic middle ground.

      I feel that "algorithm" is a dirty word these days, but algorithms are a good way to sort and filter content, so long as users can control them to their benefit.

      As for whether a user should receive a notification for topics that "bubble up" or simply be able to see those topics in their topic listing page, I don't see why we couldn't have both options be available in the future, or why both options should not eventually be offered. Generally it'd be pretty cool if Tildes eventually expanded on the functionality of notifications beyond letting you know another user is communicating with you.

      14 votes
      1. helloworld
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        Agree. A combination of ~all with filters would be nice. An escape from my personal sandbox, if you will.

        Agree. A combination of ~all with filters would be nice. An escape from my personal sandbox, if you will.

        4 votes
    2. [8]
      suspended
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      I don't believe that this idea should be framed inside the Reddit paradigm. Yes.

      That seems more like a reddit change to drive engagement...

      I don't believe that this idea should be framed inside the Reddit paradigm.

      ...a select view for filtering popular posts..

      Yes.

      4 votes
      1. [6]
        spit-evil-olive-tips
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        You can sort the front page view by votes, and limit it to a time range, such as past 24 hours, and get this. However, that will still only show groups you're subscribed to. If there was an...

        You can sort the front page view by votes, and limit it to a time range, such as past 24 hours, and get this.

        However, that will still only show groups you're subscribed to.

        If there was an additional option to display all groups, similar to reddit's /r/all, I think that would do what you want?

        (as a workaround, in the absence of that feature, you could view that page signed out or in incognito mode to see what you're missing)

        5 votes
        1. ruspaceni
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          It feels like they're just describing the 'bubble up' feature that was floated a little while ago (having trouble finding a link), but yeah I think something like ~popular would be neat either...

          If there was an additional option to display all groups, similar to reddit's /r/all, I think that would do what you want?

          It feels like they're just describing the 'bubble up' feature that was floated a little while ago (having trouble finding a link), but yeah I think something like ~popular would be neat either way. You subscribe to it and then whenever a post gets an elevated level of engangement relative to its topic, it gets put in ~popular.

          2 votes
        2. [4]
          Eylrid
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          The problem with /r/all is that posts get brigaded by outsiders. But I think that can be solved, or at least partially mitigated, by putting restrictions on people who come from all: unable to...

          The problem with /r/all is that posts get brigaded by outsiders. But I think that can be solved, or at least partially mitigated, by putting restrictions on people who come from all: unable to vote, or voting weight reduced, comments sorted lower, etc. Let outsiders weight in, but keep it balanced in favor of subscribers of the group.

          1 vote
          1. [3]
            helloworld
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            The reason r/all is a clusterfuck is because reddit has way too much traffic, resulting in the worst of the low-effort lowest common denominator posts rising to top. Tildes has low traffic and...

            The reason r/all is a clusterfuck is because reddit has way too much traffic, resulting in the worst of the low-effort lowest common denominator posts rising to top.

            Tildes has low traffic and because it requires invite, it's traffic won't have hockey stick curve. r/all will actually be a positive addition for Tildes, unlike Reddit. If and when Tildes reaches Reddit level of traffic, it can be re-analyzed.

            2 votes
            1. [2]
              Eylrid
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              I think we're talking about two different problems with r/all: What posts make it there, and what happens to the comments of a post once it does. I was talking about the latter. Tildes already has...

              I think we're talking about two different problems with r/all: What posts make it there, and what happens to the comments of a post once it does. I was talking about the latter. Tildes already has a problem of majority voices talking over minorities. So even at this scale I think it's worth being careful how we handle ~all if we get it.

              2 votes
              1. helloworld
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                Ah then I misunderstood. You make a fair point, and agree that in that case, something like ~all must have some other restriction. How about anything approached via ~all is read only? If you want...

                Ah then I misunderstood. You make a fair point, and agree that in that case, something like ~all must have some other restriction.

                How about anything approached via ~all is read only? If you want to comment you have to go through specific board separately. It sounds amweird but it cuts down easy catch immediately, and if we're aiming to keep tildes friendly neighbourhood board then weird rule like this can get accepted too!

                2 votes
      2. Eylrid
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        Tildes isn't reddit, but that doesn't mean we can't learn from it and how it's design decisions affect the site.

        I don't believe that this idea should be framed inside the Reddit paradigm.

        Tildes isn't reddit, but that doesn't mean we can't learn from it and how it's design decisions affect the site.

        5 votes
  2. Thra11
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    There were several suggestions in this thread (one of them was mine) about allowing intermediate states in between subscribe and unsubscribe. They would potentially allow you to achieve something...

    There were several suggestions in this thread (one of them was mine) about allowing intermediate states in between subscribe and unsubscribe. They would potentially allow you to achieve something like this (e.g. Instead of unsubscribing from ~sports, you'd set it's weighting to 0.1, something low but non-zero), while keeping the user completely in control.

    8 votes