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The United States can't build infrastructure. The reason: it refuses to learn from other countries

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    Alon Levy's recent blog on US attitudes toward transportation infrastructure spending contains some high-level comments on American construction costs, which are dramatically higher than in other...
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    Alon Levy's recent blog on US attitudes toward transportation infrastructure spending contains some high-level comments on American construction costs, which are dramatically higher than in other developed countries. Levy, a seasoned urban planner and consultant with the Transit Costs Project (among other organizations), provides a few main reasons:

    • US infrastructure is largely unstandardized, leading to complex projects with components that cannot be reused elsewhere. For example, most American subway stations are inefficiently custom-built. In contrast, most Spanish stations are highly standardized and modularized, making it easy to scale.
    • US infrastructure is often overbuilt in places where it doesn't need to be. Projects are simply designed wrong, planning for capacity or adding features that aren't needed, and money is just... wasted.
    • Senior managers and political appointees institute layers of bureaucracy that prevent competent planners from building infrastructure efficiently, literally ignoring good solutions for emotional reasons.
    • Senior managers specifically ignore transit projects conducted outside the US and outside the Anglosphere, despite their obvious construction efficiency and operational superiority, because they do not speak languages other than English and do not respect those who do.
    • Local, state, and federal regulations and bureaucracy constantly and unnecessarily hampers construction.

    Here's a quote that sums it up:

    You can’t change the United States from a country that builds subways for $2 billion/km in New York and $1 billion/km elsewhere to a country that does so for $200 million/km if all you ever do is talk to other Americans. But the Volpe Center appears on track to do just that. The American political sphere is an extremely insulated place. One of the staffers we spoke to openly told us that it’s hard to sell foreign learning to the American public; well, it’s even harder to sell infrastructure when it’s said to cost $300 billion to turn the Northeast Corridor into a proper high-speed line, where here it would cost $20 billion. DOT seems to be choosing, unconsciously, not to have public transportation.

    Levy comes from a highly international background and these comments have been a theme in his work for some time. He's correct: infrastructure costs far more in the United States than it does in Europe or Asia. Anecdotally, I agree with his assessment that the "people in charge" are xenophobic and inherently skeptical of literally any infrastructure project, policy, or design choice used in other countries, regardless of how obviously successful it would be in the US. Even the US cities with the best transit systems have consistently terrible cost overruns and unnecessarily high absolute costs, largely for the reasons laid out in this blog.

    The Transit Costs Project has studies for several such cities. The solution is ultimately for Americans to psychologically recognize that the US is not the greatest country in the world, nor that our ideas are necessarily the best, and in fact that we can learn from other places. The extremely prevalent (and equally false) idea that literally nothing done in Europe or Asia can possibly translate to the US harms us more than we realize.

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    1. SteeeveTheSteve
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      People wonder why voters don't trust our government to do more for us, this is it. Anything they touch results in overspending and subpar work. Yet those are the same people who don't pay...

      People wonder why voters don't trust our government to do more for us, this is it. Anything they touch results in overspending and subpar work. Yet those are the same people who don't pay attention enough to hold elected officials accountable. I feel like we're too focused on national politics, maybe if the state representatives handled national business we'd care about the local stuff that affects us more and realize not everything is the president's fault. It's a lot like a European country blaming the EU for all their issues and mostly ignoring their own country's government while it turns to crap.

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      nukeman
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      Just a heads up that I believe Levy is non-binary and goes by they/them.

      Just a heads up that I believe Levy is non-binary and goes by they/them.

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        Thanks for the note. I had seen both pronouns on various websites and was unsure.

        Thanks for the note. I had seen both pronouns on various websites and was unsure.

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          totalfreeformchaos
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          A fun rule of thumb that I’ve been using is just to use they/them as a default and only use she/her or he/him if I know that one of those is correct

          A fun rule of thumb that I’ve been using is just to use they/them as a default and only use she/her or he/him if I know that one of those is correct

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          1. ThrowdoBaggins
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            Big thumbs up, I’ve been trying to do the same, and honestly most people I talk to in person don’t even seem to realise that I do it until half way through a conversation they go to use a pronoun...

            Big thumbs up, I’ve been trying to do the same, and honestly most people I talk to in person don’t even seem to realise that I do it until half way through a conversation they go to use a pronoun and realise they’re having to guess

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      Far better this than underbuilding. I've seen far too many projects end up under capacity because the responsible governance police (a.k.a. voters) demanded "exactly the right capacity with not a...

      US infrastructure is often overbuilt in places where it doesn't need to be. Projects are simply designed wrong, planning for capacity or adding features that aren't needed, and money is just... wasted.

      Far better this than underbuilding. I've seen far too many projects end up under capacity because the responsible governance police (a.k.a. voters) demanded "exactly the right capacity with not a cent wasted" and then acted surprised when they needed to consider expansion within five years.

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        It isn’t necessarily far better. Budgets are zero-sum and if you overspend on a subway station then you don’t have enough money to build a new bridge somewhere else. This extremely lackadaisical...

        It isn’t necessarily far better. Budgets are zero-sum and if you overspend on a subway station then you don’t have enough money to build a new bridge somewhere else. This extremely lackadaisical approach to government waste ensures that the US doesn’t have public transportation.

        For example, California High-Speed Rail was envisioned by politicians, not engineers. They stipulated that the route must be entirely primarily constructed for 220mph service (even when that’s not strictly necessary or reasonable for the budget) in order to reach a specific trip time between LA and SF. They also expanded the project scope, increasing the number of parallel tracks they wanted to build along the whole route. This is great and all, but it dramatically increased the cost of the project. Now, because of the organization’s mismanagement of funding, the only high-speed section set to be completed within the next decade is between the minor population centers of the Central Valley—not the big cities it needs to serve. Because there was so much insistence on doing everything absolutely perfectly to a gold star standard, the project has about an $80 billion funding shortfall to complete Phase 1—and the route they’ve built is not in a great position to easily expand. Had they not specified sky-high design standards that made it impossible for them to start construction anywhere other than the middle of the desert, it’s possible we would be on a better timeline. Whereas now, it seems like this project will only inch along.

        I’m not advocating for underbuilding. I’m advocating for “building.” Because if you do reasonable engineering capacity studies, you can determine exactly what you need—and not waste a billion dollars on a massive concourse that can’t conceivably be adequately utilized. You can also design structures in ways that allow for expansion without costing billions of dollars. American designers don’t do this: they make complicated, non-modular infrastructure not suited for expansion and then complain about it being expensive to expand or integrate with other projects. The difference is literally an order of magnitude, unfortunately. That means we are capable of building 1/10 the amount of infrastructure we could be.

        Levy’s “Assume Normal Costs” article on what New York City could build if we were cost-effective with design and construction is enlightening.

        Regardless, the issue of construction costs isn’t just overbuilding. There’s a lot going on. I encourage you to read the article in this thread, as well as the ones I’ve linked above.

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        1. public
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          I haven't had time to read the articles just yet, but I see why we had such sharply different views on the wastes associated with underbuilding vs. overbuilding. What I had in mind was a road...

          I haven't had time to read the articles just yet, but I see why we had such sharply different views on the wastes associated with underbuilding vs. overbuilding. What I had in mind was a road being expanded from 2 to 3 lanes because "surely there's no way we'd need more. Besides, we don't want to induce too much demand" and then within a decade the government needs to throw away more money on acquiring the now more valuable right-of-way to upgrade the road to the 4 lanes it needs than if it had simply done a 2 to 5 lane expansion in the first place. Perhaps my cautionary tale is more about selling rights-of-way instead of retaining broad margins for future expansion.

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      Carighan
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      The metric superiorist in me also wants to add that they simply cannot understand the numbers involved so they have no way of knowing whether the projects are superior or not in the first place. 😈...

      Senior managers specifically ignore transit projects conducted outside the US and outside the Anglosphere, despite their obvious construction efficiency and operational superiority, because they do not speak languages other than English and do not respect those who do.

      The metric superiorist in me also wants to add that they simply cannot understand the numbers involved so they have no way of knowing whether the projects are superior or not in the first place. 😈

      But yeah it's a big problem. And you get it everywhere, but the US in particular have this built-in resistance to any outside influence. Historically there's some sense to it, they were self-isolated as they were people escaping from perspectuion. And from there it got normalized and institutionalized.

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      1. boxer_dogs_dance
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        I can point to at least a few factors of this mulltifactor phenomenon. We have many excellent universities. It is rare to study abroad and people who do, tend to choose the UK or Canada. I am...

        I can point to at least a few factors of this mulltifactor phenomenon.

        We have many excellent universities. It is rare to study abroad and people who do, tend to choose the UK or Canada. I am close to someone who had a long career in environmental and urban planning. A few times in his career he went to conferences in other US states, but his only experience in Europe was a motorcycle trip at the age of 21. His formal education was entirely within one US state and likewise all his jobs were within the state.

        We have a history of assuming superiority, based in part on our identity as one of the first modern republics and as a capitalist economic powerhouse and in the 20th and 21st century a military superpower.

        We aren't for the most part trained in languages other than English beyond very basic levels.

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    I've seen New York Times columnist/podcaster Ezra Klein and talk about this a lot (e.g., here). His general thesis is that we have built a lot of ways to slow things down and not enough ways to...

    I've seen New York Times columnist/podcaster Ezra Klein and talk about this a lot (e.g., here).

    His general thesis is that we have built a lot of ways to slow things down and not enough ways to get things done. We've made obstruction easy, which makes it easy for certain interest groups to co-opt those things in bad faith in order to stop things they don't want. Whether that's infrastructure or high-density housing or what have you.

    The problem isn’t government. It’s our government. Nor is the problem unions — another favored bugaboo of the right. Union density is higher in all those countries than it is in the United States. So what has gone wrong here?

    One answer worth wrestling with was offered by Brink Lindsey, the director of the Open Society Project at the Niskanen Center, in a 2021 paper titled “State Capacity: What Is It, How We Lost It, and How to Get It Back.” His definition is admirably terse. “State capacity is the ability to design and execute policy effectively,” he told me. When a government can’t collect the taxes it’s owed or build the sign-up portal for its new health insurance plan or construct the high-speed rail it’s already spent billions of dollars on, that’s a failure of state capacity.

    But a weak government is often an end, not an accident. Lindsey’s argument is that to fix state capacity in America, we need to see that the hobbled state we have is a choice and there are reasons it was chosen. Government isn’t intrinsically inefficient. It has been made inefficient. And not just by the right:

    What is needed most is a change in ideas: namely, a reversal of those intellectual trends of the past 50 years or so that have brought us to the current pass. On the right, this means abandoning the knee-jerk anti-statism of recent decades; embracing the legitimacy of a large, complex welfare and regulatory state; and recognizing the vital role played by the nation’s public servants (not just the police and military). On the left, it means reconsidering the decentralized, legalistic model of governance that has guided progressive-led state expansion since the 1960s; reducing the veto power that activist groups exercise in the courts; and shifting the focus of policy design from ensuring that power is subject to progressive checks to ensuring that power can actually be exercised effectively.

    The Biden administration can’t do much about the right’s hostility to government. But it can confront the mistakes and divisions on the left.

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      Thanks for this comment. I agree with the conclusions in the quote you provided, at least at a high level, though I am unclear on most of the specific implementations needed for government to...

      Thanks for this comment. I agree with the conclusions in the quote you provided, at least at a high level, though I am unclear on most of the specific implementations needed for government to become truly effective. To be honest I don't think I'm savvy enough about politics or government to have a qualified opinion on this topic.

      On the one hand, I see so much utility in cutting back on endless bureaucracy and regulation so that we can, say, build high-speed rail projects without NIMBYs increasing costs every step of the way. But looking at the absolute devastation caused by the federal government literally bulldozing city downtowns to build interstate highways through them in the 20th century... I have to say I'm skeptical about leaving local advocates out of the picture. I don't want to repeat the destruction of minority neighborhoods just for the sake of building high-speed rail. :/

      It's unclear to me exactly how to strike a balance between efficiency and carelessness. Europe seems to do it relatively well (?), but I don't even know where to start with that. The US is intentionally decentralized in a way European countries largely aren't; lots of rights for states are written directly into the Constitution.

      I know Levy explicitly talks about state capacity in some of their articles, albeit from a more financial perspective. They identify the government's reliance on consultants as a specific cause of inefficiency in regard to transportation. I enjoyed this comment of theirs in an article shared on Tildes by @skybrian some time ago:

      Something about Americans makes them hostile to the idea that the government overtly governs. This is not because they’re inherently ungovernable, but because some of them like to pretend to be. This has led to workarounds, which Bring Back the Bureaucrats by John DiIulio (this is DIIULIO in all caps, not DILULIO) calls the leviathan by proxy model, in which the state is outsourced to consultants. Thus, dismantling the state and instead calling in consultants is supposedly the only way to get Americans to accept government spending. This was said to us, at the same meeting as in the above section, by a different person.

      This is, like most political claims that justify inaction, bunk. Consultants are not a popular group in the broad public. “This all goes to consultants” is a standard line justifying [mistrust] of government, regardless of politics, to the point that generic anti-everything populists like to make consultants public enemy #1. In New York, even the unions make this one of their rallying cries in opposition to various kinds of outsourcing; there’s no excuse there to keep hiring consultants to do design and then not knowing how to manage them, where what the MTA should do is replace its leadership with people who know better and staff up to the tune of a four-figure planning and engineering department. It costs money. It costs less money than the New York premium for construction, the difference amounting to around a full order of magnitude.

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      1. RobotOverlord525
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        Yeah, me neither. It's something I've heard Ezra Klein talk a lot about in his podcast. It's evidently enough of an issue for him that he's currently taking a few months off from his podcast (and...

        To be honest I don't think I'm savvy enough about politics or government to have a qualified opinion on this topic.

        Yeah, me neither. It's something I've heard Ezra Klein talk a lot about in his podcast. It's evidently enough of an issue for him that he's currently taking a few months off from his podcast (and possibly NYT column) to work on a book with someone about this issue.

        One of the things that he talks about is that a lot of the legal roadblocks that are available to NIMBYs and the like were created for good reasons, like the neighborhood bulldozering you mentioned. Klein is very left-leaning so he is sensitive to that issue. I think that's why he likes looking abroad to see how other countries handle that balance. I just hope that the issue is getting onto the radar of people with the power to actually do something about it.

        Klein touched on this in one of his recent podcasts, a transcript of which can be found here. I'm tempted to quote huge swaths of it, but I'm going to restrain myself.

        So Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, faced a sharp crisis very recently, where a section of I-95 collapsed. And Joel D. has written in asking us whether the fact that they were actually able to get the section of I-95 that fell open 12 days after it collapsed, what the implications are for a liberalism that builds in that sequence?

        EZRA KLEIN: So I think this has been a really interesting model because Shapiro’s bragging about it. The Biden administration likes to tell me about the role they played in it. And I think it’s also important to say they did this with union labor. That’s actually been a big part of how they intended it and also how they’ve narrativized it.

        [...]

        But you have to take seriously what he did. So the Pennsylvania governor has emergency powers during a disaster. And Shapiro signed a proclamation that reads, quote, “I hereby suspend the provisions of any other regulatory statute prescribing the procedures for conduct of commonwealth business or the orders, rules or regulations of any commonwealth agency if strict compliance with the provisions of any statute order, rules, or regulations would, in any way prevent, hinder or delay necessary action in coping with this emergency event.”

        So I did a piece with you a couple of months back called “Everything-Bagel Liberalism.” And the point of that is that liberals often put a huge number of secondary objectives into a single project. So they want to restore American dominance in semiconductor manufacturing. But then there are also these rules in there for on-site child care, and how to break the contracting into small tasks so you can have a more diverse set of subcontractors, and what sort of community investments you need to make, and your climate action mitigation plan and so on. And one of the points of that piece was you can choose some — here, they chose unions — but you can’t choose all of them.

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        This is a point, as you know, I’m making a column that will probably be up by the time this the show comes. But to not choose to change processes is to choose right now. It is to choose to absorb the problems of climate change at a higher level.

        Now, look. Everything is about where you put the dial, and you’re not going to go to full wipe out all the procurement rules. And nor should you. You’re not going to go to full wipe out all the environmental litigation. Nor should you.

        But there is space between here and there. And if we want to do a bunch of things that I think we should want to do, then we’re going to have to move in that direction. And if we don’t want to do it, then we’re just going to have to say, OK, we’re OK with the housing markets looking like they do in superstar cities. We’re OK with missing our Paris Climate Accord targets by a lot, not by a little. We’re OK with a lot of things that we could fix, and we’re OK with liberal government having the accurate reputation, at least in America, that it cannot build the projects it promises to build.

        You can’t have high-speed rail in California. You can’t get the Big Dig done at the cost and time you said it would. The Second Avenue subway is going to be a total cost disaster. Maybe if you try to build a bunch of miles of bike lanes in San Francisco, it’s going to take you a decade.

        That is also a choice to say that’s OK and we prefer the outcome of these processes because we think there’s enough voice and we think that preventing the bad projects is worth it. You can also, hopefully, make things quicker for good projects and slower for bad ones. It doesn’t have to be a process that cannot make any distinctions between what you’re building.

        I hope there is a balance between how we do things now (or don't) and just letting the government run roughshod over anyone who gets in the way of any project.

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    I really liked this perspective. With my job, I'm very conscious of the impact of years of lobbying and spending by the automotive and related industries to weaken public transit and undermine its...

    I really liked this perspective. With my job, I'm very conscious of the impact of years of lobbying and spending by the automotive and related industries to weaken public transit and undermine its viability. I'm fascinated to hear these insights about our systemic resistance to learning from other countries that have such obviously more successful models. Thanks for sharing this.

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      I'm glad you enjoyed it! Levy has a whole category on his blog about construction costs, as well as an explicit category about good transit systems, among many others. That blog is a wealth of...

      I'm glad you enjoyed it! Levy has a whole category on his blog about construction costs, as well as an explicit category about good transit systems, among many others. That blog is a wealth of insight by itself—especially because of how frequent Levy posts—and is a convenient place to discover plenty more transportation-related materials (see the sidebar). We have a lot to learn from the rest of the world!

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      This article is mostly about government-owned infrastructure, like roadways, railways, bridges, tunnels, stations, and rolling stock. It describes the ways that Departments of Transportation...

      This article is mostly about government-owned infrastructure, like roadways, railways, bridges, tunnels, stations, and rolling stock. It describes the ways that Departments of Transportation stymie progress on their own infrastructure because they are not good at preventing costs from spiraling out of control.

      I agree that private monopolies are not beneficial to consumers.

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  5. felixakiragreen
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    I wonder how much cheaper and efficient construction costs would be if we used the Metric System. Yes, there would be transition costs, but after that was paid, using the same system as the rest...

    I wonder how much cheaper and efficient construction costs would be if we used the Metric System.

    Yes, there would be transition costs, but after that was paid, using the same system as the rest of the world would make imports would definitely help.