Rule of Acquisition 190: Hear all, trust nothing. If I had a slip of latinum for every "potential new Star Trek show" that's come and gone over the years, I could buy a small moon.
Rule of Acquisition 190: Hear all, trust nothing. If I had a slip of latinum for every "potential new Star Trek show" that's come and gone over the years, I could buy a small moon.
I was going to say; You could accurately release this headline on any day since 1969. Nevertheless, it's exciting to see some mainstream Trek success again.
I was going to say; You could accurately release this headline on any day since 1969. Nevertheless, it's exciting to see some mainstream Trek success again.
Like many, I'm most interested in any series that isn't a prequel, sequel or parallel story to any of the known series. Set something post-TNG/Voyager/DS9. Give us more of the 'history of the future'.
Like many, I'm most interested in any series that isn't a prequel, sequel or parallel story to any of the known series. Set something post-TNG/Voyager/DS9. Give us more of the 'history of the future'.
It's not as though creating Family Guy somehow should disqualify Seth MacFarlane from making a good Star Trek-esque show. The guy's been a massive fan of the franchise since he was a child. He had...
It's not as though creating Family Guy somehow should disqualify Seth MacFarlane from making a good Star Trek-esque show. The guy's been a massive fan of the franchise since he was a child. He had a cameo in Enterprise. And he obviously knows how to make tv shows already.
Did they even have a Star Trek episode? And Discovery + the recent movies have seen positive reviews and commercial success, seems like the perfect time to look at releasing something from the...
Did they even have a Star Trek episode? And Discovery + the recent movies have seen positive reviews and commercial success, seems like the perfect time to look at releasing something from the vault of thousands of Trek ideas/scripts/stories.
As a MASSIVE Star Trek fan, Discovery wasn't that bad. I wish they would leave character design for established alien species alone but other than that I don't have a whole lot of gripes about the...
As a MASSIVE Star Trek fan, Discovery wasn't that bad. I wish they would leave character design for established alien species alone but other than that I don't have a whole lot of gripes about the first season.
Discovery at least captures the spirit of Star Trek; that the whole point of existing is, as Captain Picard put it, "The challenge, Mr. Offenhouse, is to improve yourself… to enrich yourself. Enjoy it." unlike some star trek films cough JJ Verse cough I could mention...
I think this quote from the original Captain better captures the spirit of the show “You know the greatest danger facing us is ourselves, an irrational fear of the unknown. But there’s no such...
I think this quote from the original Captain better captures the spirit of the show “You know the greatest danger facing us is ourselves, an irrational fear of the unknown. But there’s no such thing as the unknown — only things temporarily hidden, temporarily not understood.”
Well Mr. James Tea Kirk ... I've never seen TOS cause, well, I just can't; I've tried quite a few times and I just can't get into it. It's just to old :(
Well Mr. JamesTeaKirk ... I've never seen TOS cause, well, I just can't; I've tried quite a few times and I just can't get into it. It's just to old :(
I'd definitely recommend watching just the TOS highlights, not the whole thing (unless you become a mega fan and want to watch the rest for fun). It's got some really good episodes, but a lot of...
I'd definitely recommend watching just the TOS highlights, not the whole thing (unless you become a mega fan and want to watch the rest for fun). It's got some really good episodes, but a lot of it was just bad. As Phillip J. Fry put it:
Ah yeah that makes sense. I couldn't get into The Orville. It seems that overall reviews and commercial reception would put @vakieh 's assertion in question.
Ah yeah that makes sense. I couldn't get into The Orville. It seems that overall reviews and commercial reception would put @vakieh 's assertion in question.
You should check out the bit on the wikipedia page linked - specifically: As it stands now, the Orville is 36% critic, 82% viewer. Discovery is 72% critic, 47% viewer. The critics couldn't bear to...
You should check out the bit on the wikipedia page linked - specifically:
In the October 15, 2017, episode of The Angry Joe Show, "The Orville Mid-Season Angry Review", host Joe Vargas noted the gulf between the response to the series among critics and viewers, contrasting the Rotten Tomatoes' 19% approval rating from professional critics to the 91% viewer approval rating. Vargas compared this to Star Trek: Discovery, which received an 83% rating from critics, and stated "Star Trek fans – at least the ones that watch my show – like The Orville way more than they like Star Trek: Discovery"
As it stands now, the Orville is 36% critic, 82% viewer. Discovery is 72% critic, 47% viewer. The critics couldn't bear to give a good rating to a guy known for his bumped shin and fighting chicken suit jokes, but the audience doesn't need to analyse a fun show to death in order to enjoy it.
The first couple episodes played like a Fox exec said "We'll pay you to make family guy in space" and MacFarlane did a bait and switch on them knowing they wouldn't read more than 10 pages of...
The first couple episodes played like a Fox exec said "We'll pay you to make family guy in space" and MacFarlane did a bait and switch on them knowing they wouldn't read more than 10 pages of script. The show quickly becomes more of a light hearted star trek in the following episodes. They tackle some serious issues (e.g., forced gender reassignment surgery) and aren't afraid to the stories end without solving the problem tying it in a nice little bow at the end of the 30 minutes episode.
It's not bad, but its really not great either. The first season has a few stand out episodes. In particular I enjoyed the pilot, "Old Wounds," as well as "Pria," "Majority Rule" (even though Black...
It's not bad, but its really not great either. The first season has a few stand out episodes. In particular I enjoyed the pilot, "Old Wounds," as well as "Pria," "Majority Rule" (even though Black Mirror did it first and better), and "New Dimensions." However, it had a lot of real snooze-fests too, like "If the Stars Should Appear," "Into the Fold," and "Firestorm."
Another strike against it is how closely it follows its source material, both on a macro and micro level, while also managing to muddle the message. "About a Girl" is trying to say something about either transgender people or gender equality, but whatever it is trying to say is lost in this conflation of two separate issues. A few episodes were straight up rip-offs: "If the Stars Should Appear" is just a remake of "For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky," "Mad Idolatry" is a remake of "Blink of an Eye," and "Command Performance" is interestingly enough a remake of the Twilight Zone episode "People Are Alike All Over."
The Orville bridge crew is basically a composite of other bridge crews, too: Lt. Malloy is essentially Lt. Paris, Bortus is more or less Worf, LaMarr is similar to LaForge (right down to the name similarity), and Isaac is essentially Data. On the other hand, the fact that Grayson is a remix of Number One and Finn is a riff on Pulaski is a good thing: these characters didn't get enough screen time, so it's cool to see them fully realized. There's also Alara, who I can't really map to a single Star Trek character—she’s a blend of Saavik, Kira, and Kim. And then lastly there's Captain Mercer, who honestly comes across as a creator surrogate, a blend of Kirk and Picard that McFarlane doesn't quite have the acting chops to pull off and ultimately comes across as rather bland and uninteresting.
It's fun "popcorn television," to adapt a term normally reserved for movies, and not at all a bad way to spend an hour a week. But it never leaves the shadow of its source material.
The first season wasn’t perfect but I see a lot of potential in it. Im hoping it will work out just like the old Trek series: the first season was a little “off” but the show eventually found its...
The first season wasn’t perfect but I see a lot of potential in it. Im hoping it will work out just like the old Trek series: the first season was a little “off” but the show eventually found its rhythm. With any luck MacFarlane has worked the last of his Family Guy inclinations out of his system, and The Orville can move forward with a more confident and balanced tone now.
Or it could go the other way and devolve into a puerile cringe-fest and get canceled by Fox halfway through season 2. Only time will tell. But I think Seth is smarter than that, and he has a lot of love for his source material.
I'm realizing that the people who like The Orville more than Discovery are the same people who have been longing for TNG pt 2 for years. I'm not trying to talk shit though, I'm still waiting for...
I'm realizing that the people who like The Orville more than Discovery are the same people who have been longing for TNG pt 2 for years. I'm not trying to talk shit though, I'm still waiting for Star Trek to return to it's TOS roots in a lot of ways lol.
Absolutely: The Orville is a continuation of Berman/Braga Trek. Hell, Braga is literally an executive producer. For better or worse, it's very safe. Discovery is taking a larger risk, drawing on...
Absolutely: The Orville is a continuation of Berman/Braga Trek. Hell, Braga is literally an executive producer. For better or worse, it's very safe.
Discovery is taking a larger risk, drawing on elements from all kinds of Trek as well as other current shows. It remains to be seen if that risk pays off.
Rule of Acquisition 190: Hear all, trust nothing. If I had a slip of latinum for every "potential new Star Trek show" that's come and gone over the years, I could buy a small moon.
I was going to say; You could accurately release this headline on any day since 1969. Nevertheless, it's exciting to see some mainstream Trek success again.
Like many, I'm most interested in any series that isn't a prequel, sequel or parallel story to any of the known series. Set something post-TNG/Voyager/DS9. Give us more of the 'history of the future'.
When the Family Guy dude can do a better Star Trek than Star Trek... maybe think it over for a while before you go shitting out more?
It's not as though creating Family Guy somehow should disqualify Seth MacFarlane from making a good Star Trek-esque show. The guy's been a massive fan of the franchise since he was a child. He had a cameo in Enterprise. And he obviously knows how to make tv shows already.
Did they even have a Star Trek episode? And Discovery + the recent movies have seen positive reviews and commercial success, seems like the perfect time to look at releasing something from the vault of thousands of Trek ideas/scripts/stories.
As a MASSIVE Star Trek fan, Discovery wasn't that bad. I wish they would leave character design for established alien species alone but other than that I don't have a whole lot of gripes about the first season.
Discovery at least captures the spirit of Star Trek; that the whole point of existing is, as Captain Picard put it, "The challenge, Mr. Offenhouse, is to improve yourself… to enrich yourself. Enjoy it." unlike some star trek films cough JJ Verse cough I could mention...
I think this quote from the original Captain better captures the spirit of the show “You know the greatest danger facing us is ourselves, an irrational fear of the unknown. But there’s no such thing as the unknown — only things temporarily hidden, temporarily not understood.”
Well Mr. James Tea Kirk ... I've never seen TOS cause, well, I just can't; I've tried quite a few times and I just can't get into it. It's just to old :(
That's an understandable position lol. However, I've always found that TNG is far more 90s-y than TOS is 60s-y
The entire run of TOS is like 3 seasons of TNG season 1, lot of garbage with a few nuggets of quality, it's a slog for sure.
I'd definitely recommend watching just the TOS highlights, not the whole thing (unless you become a mega fan and want to watch the rest for fun). It's got some really good episodes, but a lot of it was just bad. As Phillip J. Fry put it:
I think he's referring to The Orville.
Ah yeah that makes sense. I couldn't get into The Orville. It seems that overall reviews and commercial reception would put @vakieh 's assertion in question.
You should check out the bit on the wikipedia page linked - specifically:
As it stands now, the Orville is 36% critic, 82% viewer. Discovery is 72% critic, 47% viewer. The critics couldn't bear to give a good rating to a guy known for his bumped shin and fighting chicken suit jokes, but the audience doesn't need to analyse a fun show to death in order to enjoy it.
Fair enough. It just seemed to me like a super lazy, drawn out SNL bit. But I'm certainly biased in that regard lol
The first couple episodes played like a Fox exec said "We'll pay you to make family guy in space" and MacFarlane did a bait and switch on them knowing they wouldn't read more than 10 pages of script. The show quickly becomes more of a light hearted star trek in the following episodes. They tackle some serious issues (e.g., forced gender reassignment surgery) and aren't afraid to the stories end without solving the problem tying it in a nice little bow at the end of the 30 minutes episode.
It's not bad, but its really not great either. The first season has a few stand out episodes. In particular I enjoyed the pilot, "Old Wounds," as well as "Pria," "Majority Rule" (even though Black Mirror did it first and better), and "New Dimensions." However, it had a lot of real snooze-fests too, like "If the Stars Should Appear," "Into the Fold," and "Firestorm."
Another strike against it is how closely it follows its source material, both on a macro and micro level, while also managing to muddle the message. "About a Girl" is trying to say something about either transgender people or gender equality, but whatever it is trying to say is lost in this conflation of two separate issues. A few episodes were straight up rip-offs: "If the Stars Should Appear" is just a remake of "For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky," "Mad Idolatry" is a remake of "Blink of an Eye," and "Command Performance" is interestingly enough a remake of the Twilight Zone episode "People Are Alike All Over."
The Orville bridge crew is basically a composite of other bridge crews, too: Lt. Malloy is essentially Lt. Paris, Bortus is more or less Worf, LaMarr is similar to LaForge (right down to the name similarity), and Isaac is essentially Data. On the other hand, the fact that Grayson is a remix of Number One and Finn is a riff on Pulaski is a good thing: these characters didn't get enough screen time, so it's cool to see them fully realized. There's also Alara, who I can't really map to a single Star Trek character—she’s a blend of Saavik, Kira, and Kim. And then lastly there's Captain Mercer, who honestly comes across as a creator surrogate, a blend of Kirk and Picard that McFarlane doesn't quite have the acting chops to pull off and ultimately comes across as rather bland and uninteresting.
It's fun "popcorn television," to adapt a term normally reserved for movies, and not at all a bad way to spend an hour a week. But it never leaves the shadow of its source material.
The first season wasn’t perfect but I see a lot of potential in it. Im hoping it will work out just like the old Trek series: the first season was a little “off” but the show eventually found its rhythm. With any luck MacFarlane has worked the last of his Family Guy inclinations out of his system, and The Orville can move forward with a more confident and balanced tone now.
Or it could go the other way and devolve into a puerile cringe-fest and get canceled by Fox halfway through season 2. Only time will tell. But I think Seth is smarter than that, and he has a lot of love for his source material.
I'm realizing that the people who like The Orville more than Discovery are the same people who have been longing for TNG pt 2 for years. I'm not trying to talk shit though, I'm still waiting for Star Trek to return to it's TOS roots in a lot of ways lol.
Absolutely: The Orville is a continuation of Berman/Braga Trek. Hell, Braga is literally an executive producer. For better or worse, it's very safe.
Discovery is taking a larger risk, drawing on elements from all kinds of Trek as well as other current shows. It remains to be seen if that risk pays off.
Deep Space Ten, please