Hope it is better than S2 was. Loved S1 but S2 just went too far I feel, trying to one up the first season and make sure nobody is really sure what is going on.
Hope it is better than S2 was. Loved S1 but S2 just went too far I feel, trying to one up the first season and make sure nobody is really sure what is going on.
It experienced the same problem as many other non-adapted shows (I'm aware it's based on an old Chrichton film but the show really only borrows the premise). The first season got a lot of...
It experienced the same problem as many other non-adapted shows (I'm aware it's based on an old Chrichton film but the show really only borrows the premise). The first season got a lot of attention and review but the second needed to be pumped out on schedule.
The jumping timelines also didn't seem to do anything but keep people guessing, it otherwise didn't serve any good narrative purpose. It just seemed like they were hiding a straightforward, not...
The jumping timelines also didn't seem to do anything but keep people guessing, it otherwise didn't serve any good narrative purpose. It just seemed like they were hiding a straightforward, not particularly interesting or original storyline, behind the jumps in time. Told in a straight line, the plot for S2 is pretty straightforward.
I thought the nonlinear narrative highlighted the arc of the Man in Black. While the narrative might be straightforward when laid out chronologically, the mirroring of Bernard’s confusion by...
I thought the nonlinear narrative highlighted the arc of the Man in Black.
While the narrative might be straightforward when laid out chronologically, the mirroring of Bernard’s confusion by intentionally muddling the timeline helped to juxtapose Bernard’s and the Man in Black’s relations to Ford, Westworld, and their own truthseeking. Sure, nonlinearity in timelines is not an original trope, but I thought it was appropriate in this case as it aligned the form and content in an artistic way, and allowed for some dramatic reveals.
My problem is that they had already done it in the first season to much better effect overall. The use in the second season felt more rote, and like they had to keep it going when it did not feel...
My problem is that they had already done it in the first season to much better effect overall. The use in the second season felt more rote, and like they had to keep it going when it did not feel like it served anywhere near the same purpose as it did in the first season. It reminded me of Lost's approach to manufacturing mysteries where they felt they had to keep doing it after it had served its purpose.
Then again, apparently they completely changed the story for S2 after reddit guessed what they were going for, so that probably was what complicated matters.
My show of contrast is Mr Robot, where the first season had another trope of sorts that they didn't immediately reuse the next season.
I’m so sick of the timeline jumping gimmick by now. It was fun for the one gag they did with it in season 1 but from there on, it was just pointlessly confusing and made me paranoid about them...
I’m so sick of the timeline jumping gimmick by now. It was fun for the one gag they did with it in season 1 but from there on, it was just pointlessly confusing and made me paranoid about them just trying to hide how bad the story really was by making it harder to follow. Like storytelling sleight of hand.
Agreed. Things like plot, dialog, character development, and world-building were sacrificed to keep things as confusing as possible. It was hard to really get into because I never knew what...
Agreed. Things like plot, dialog, character development, and world-building were sacrificed to keep things as confusing as possible. It was hard to really get into because I never knew what anyone's motivations were, and characters rarely spoke in non-riddles. I was left feeling frustrated that the show couldn't just tell a straightforward story. The first season suffered from some of that, but the second cranked it up to eleven. I'm hopeful that season three will drop the cheap misdirection and spin an honest narrative for the audience for once.
Nice, I'm definitely going to watch it, although I was a fan of the juxtaposition of the old west and futuristic robots. That seems to be missing in this trailer, we'll see!
Nice, I'm definitely going to watch it, although I was a fan of the juxtaposition of the old west and futuristic robots. That seems to be missing in this trailer, we'll see!
I actually thought the American West setting grew tiresome and was enthused when we got to see some of the other worlds in season 2. I’m super excited for season 3 and the depiction of the real world.
I actually thought the American West setting grew tiresome and was enthused when we got to see some of the other worlds in season 2. I’m super excited for season 3 and the depiction of the real world.
spoilers At some point in Season 2 Westworld felt like it was losing its shape, and not in a way that pleased me. From an interesting and contained discussion of artificial intelligence to a...
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At some point in Season 2 Westworld felt like it was losing its shape, and not in a way that pleased me. From an interesting and contained discussion of artificial intelligence to a full-blown western/war scenario. I'm not saying that is bad, I'm just not interested in something that barely resembles sci-fi anymore.
The whole family angle just felt corny.
OH, and my main gripe with the show: they never established why should I care about the machines (what makes them sentient after all). To me, they are just that, so I do don't have an ounce of empathy for them. Dolores, Maeve, and Bernard could be blown to pieces for all I care.
It'll be hard to finish Season 2 to get back on track, but Season 3 looks like a STRONG step in the right direction. VERY sci-fi! And they got the junkie from Breaking Bad. That dude's voice alone deserves an Oscar just for existing.
Hope it is better than S2 was. Loved S1 but S2 just went too far I feel, trying to one up the first season and make sure nobody is really sure what is going on.
It experienced the same problem as many other non-adapted shows (I'm aware it's based on an old Chrichton film but the show really only borrows the premise). The first season got a lot of attention and review but the second needed to be pumped out on schedule.
The jumping timelines also didn't seem to do anything but keep people guessing, it otherwise didn't serve any good narrative purpose. It just seemed like they were hiding a straightforward, not particularly interesting or original storyline, behind the jumps in time. Told in a straight line, the plot for S2 is pretty straightforward.
I thought the nonlinear narrative highlighted the arc of the Man in Black.
While the narrative might be straightforward when laid out chronologically, the mirroring of Bernard’s confusion by intentionally muddling the timeline helped to juxtapose Bernard’s and the Man in Black’s relations to Ford, Westworld, and their own truthseeking. Sure, nonlinearity in timelines is not an original trope, but I thought it was appropriate in this case as it aligned the form and content in an artistic way, and allowed for some dramatic reveals.
My problem is that they had already done it in the first season to much better effect overall. The use in the second season felt more rote, and like they had to keep it going when it did not feel like it served anywhere near the same purpose as it did in the first season. It reminded me of Lost's approach to manufacturing mysteries where they felt they had to keep doing it after it had served its purpose.
Then again, apparently they completely changed the story for S2 after reddit guessed what they were going for, so that probably was what complicated matters.
My show of contrast is Mr Robot, where the first season had another trope of sorts that they didn't immediately reuse the next season.
I’m so sick of the timeline jumping gimmick by now. It was fun for the one gag they did with it in season 1 but from there on, it was just pointlessly confusing and made me paranoid about them just trying to hide how bad the story really was by making it harder to follow. Like storytelling sleight of hand.
Agreed. Things like plot, dialog, character development, and world-building were sacrificed to keep things as confusing as possible. It was hard to really get into because I never knew what anyone's motivations were, and characters rarely spoke in non-riddles. I was left feeling frustrated that the show couldn't just tell a straightforward story. The first season suffered from some of that, but the second cranked it up to eleven. I'm hopeful that season three will drop the cheap misdirection and spin an honest narrative for the audience for once.
Nice, I'm definitely going to watch it, although I was a fan of the juxtaposition of the old west and futuristic robots. That seems to be missing in this trailer, we'll see!
I actually thought the American West setting grew tiresome and was enthused when we got to see some of the other worlds in season 2. I’m super excited for season 3 and the depiction of the real world.
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At some point in Season 2 Westworld felt like it was losing its shape, and not in a way that pleased me. From an interesting and contained discussion of artificial intelligence to a full-blown western/war scenario. I'm not saying that is bad, I'm just not interested in something that barely resembles sci-fi anymore.
The whole family angle just felt corny.
OH, and my main gripe with the show: they never established why should I care about the machines (what makes them sentient after all). To me, they are just that, so I do don't have an ounce of empathy for them. Dolores, Maeve, and Bernard could be blown to pieces for all I care.
It'll be hard to finish Season 2 to get back on track, but Season 3 looks like a STRONG step in the right direction. VERY sci-fi! And they got the junkie from Breaking Bad. That dude's voice alone deserves an Oscar just for existing.