The writers fucked up. I think this suit has some merit, I don't know if 5 million merit, but I can understand what Gaprindashvili is going for. That line in the show wouldn't have taken much...
The writers fucked up. I think this suit has some merit, I don't know if 5 million merit, but I can understand what Gaprindashvili is going for. That line in the show wouldn't have taken much research to dispute, but sometimes people get lazy. You can fault the USSR for many things, including being very autocratic, but it did do gender equality better than the world on the other side of the iron curtain.
Reminds me of when Lyudmila Pavlichenko, probably the most famous Soviet sniper (due to being the woman with the most confirmed kills) was touring the US and Canada in 1942 in an attempt to garner war support against the Nazis, and was hit by questions about the length of her skirt in battle and if she put on makeup for combat.
In 1942, Pavlichenko was sent to Canada and the United States for a publicity visit as part of the Soviet Union's attempts to convince the other Allies of World War II to open a second front against Nazi Germany. When she visited the United States, she became the first Soviet citizen to be received by a US president, as Franklin D. Roosevelt welcomed her to the White House. Pavlichenko was later invited by First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt to tour the US, relating her experiences as a female soldier on the front lines. During the publicity tour, Pavlichenko was not taken seriously by the press and was referred to as the "Girl Sniper." When meeting with reporters in Washington, DC, she was dumbfounded by the kind of questions put to her. "One reporter even criticized the length of the skirt of my uniform, saying that in America women wear shorter skirts and besides my uniform made me look fat." They also asked if she used makeup on the front line. She was described by the reporters as very blunt and unemotional in her responses.
In Chicago, she stood before large crowds, chiding the men to support a second front. "Gentlemen," she said, "I am 25 years old and I have killed 309 fascist invaders by now. Don't you think, gentlemen, that you have been hiding behind my back for too long?" Her words settled on the crowd, then caused a surging roar of support.
Well yeah that's how entertainment shows works isn't it? Did they sign a contract that states everything in the show has to be factual correct or did I miss something?
Netflix brazenly and deliberately lied about Gaprindashvili’s achievements for the cheap and cynical purpose of ‘heightening the drama’
Well yeah that's how entertainment shows works isn't it? Did they sign a contract that states everything in the show has to be factual correct or did I miss something?
They used a real person's name and lied about her. Nona Gaprindashvili You can see the suit here. Point 5 says: There are more points in the suit which are pretty good. For example they got where...
The Series was based on the Novel and for the most part follows it
closely. However, in the final episode, just after Harmon beats a fictional Russian
Grandmaster called Viktor Laev at the Moscow Invitational, a commentator
observes that the male players in the tournament believed that:
“Harmon’s level of play wasn’t at theirs. Someone like Laev probably didn’t spend a lot of time preparing for their match. Elizabeth Harmon’s not at all an important player by their standards. The only unusual thing about her, really, is her sex. And even that’s not unique in Russia. There’s Nona Gaprindashvili, but she’s the female world champion and has never faced men. My guess is Laev was expecting an easy win, and not at all the 27-move thrashing Beth Harmon just gave him.” (Emphasis added).
There are more points in the suit which are pretty good. For example they got where she is from wrong.
I read the article yes, but are they obligated to be factual correct in the show? Would "The Queen" for example be eligible for the same kind of lawsuit?
I read the article yes, but are they obligated to be factual correct in the show? Would "The Queen" for example be eligible for the same kind of lawsuit?
There's no obligation for fiction to be factual, but because in this instance they're talking about a real person, this seems to me (bearing in mind i am not a lawyer) like a fairly clear case of...
There's no obligation for fiction to be factual, but because in this instance they're talking about a real person, this seems to me (bearing in mind i am not a lawyer) like a fairly clear case of defamation. That's what you're missing. It's not that the facts are wrong, it's that the wrong facts which are presented are harmful. Netflix could say that Nona Gaprindashvili can fly - which is obviously not factually correct - but that's not damaging to her reputation. Saying she was less of a chess player than she actually was, is.
If The Queen made the Queen look bad by misrepresenting her then yes. Although I doubt the House of Windsor would get involved in an actual lawsuit. They would probably have some quiet words with some well-placed people behind the scenes. Wrists would be slapped, etc.
I think it's because it's really hard for women in chess. I remember when the show came out and BotezLive spoke about it. They mentioned how it's much harder in real life than what the show portrays.
I think it's because it's really hard for women in chess. I remember when the show came out and BotezLive spoke about it. They mentioned how it's much harder in real life than what the show portrays.
As always, there are a lot of conditions (and I'm not qualified at all to say if this specific case meets them), but it's not necessarily impossible. If you're interested in doing more research...
As always, there are a lot of conditions (and I'm not qualified at all to say if this specific case meets them), but it's not necessarily impossible. If you're interested in doing more research into it, I'd suggest looking up something like "libel in fiction" or "defamation in fiction".
We should probably keep in mind that anyone can file suit. Whether it has merit or not is for the courts to decide. Personally, and I'm definitely not a lawyer, but it seems to me that if that...
We should probably keep in mind that anyone can file suit. Whether it has merit or not is for the courts to decide.
Personally, and I'm definitely not a lawyer, but it seems to me that if that claim sticks a large part of Hollywood will collapse. Misrepresenting reality is all period pieces do.
Nothing is probably gonna come from this. The Emmy’s are this Sunday and lawsuits hitting the front runners at these award shows is a common thing. The Shape of Water was hit with a lawsuit for...
Nothing is probably gonna come from this. The Emmy’s are this Sunday and lawsuits hitting the front runners at these award shows is a common thing. The Shape of Water was hit with a lawsuit for plagiarism a few days before it won Best Picture.
The writers fucked up. I think this suit has some merit, I don't know if 5 million merit, but I can understand what Gaprindashvili is going for. That line in the show wouldn't have taken much research to dispute, but sometimes people get lazy. You can fault the USSR for many things, including being very autocratic, but it did do gender equality better than the world on the other side of the iron curtain.
Reminds me of when Lyudmila Pavlichenko, probably the most famous Soviet sniper (due to being the woman with the most confirmed kills) was touring the US and Canada in 1942 in an attempt to garner war support against the Nazis, and was hit by questions about the length of her skirt in battle and if she put on makeup for combat.
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Aww, you missed out her best line:
Well yeah that's how entertainment shows works isn't it? Did they sign a contract that states everything in the show has to be factual correct or did I miss something?
They used a real person's name and lied about her. Nona Gaprindashvili
You can see the suit here. Point 5 says:
There are more points in the suit which are pretty good. For example they got where she is from wrong.
I read the article yes, but are they obligated to be factual correct in the show? Would "The Queen" for example be eligible for the same kind of lawsuit?
There's no obligation for fiction to be factual, but because in this instance they're talking about a real person, this seems to me (bearing in mind i am not a lawyer) like a fairly clear case of defamation. That's what you're missing. It's not that the facts are wrong, it's that the wrong facts which are presented are harmful. Netflix could say that Nona Gaprindashvili can fly - which is obviously not factually correct - but that's not damaging to her reputation. Saying she was less of a chess player than she actually was, is.
If The Queen made the Queen look bad by misrepresenting her then yes. Although I doubt the House of Windsor would get involved in an actual lawsuit. They would probably have some quiet words with some well-placed people behind the scenes. Wrists would be slapped, etc.
Thank you that make sense but it still seems like some blurry lines.
I think it's because it's really hard for women in chess. I remember when the show came out and BotezLive spoke about it. They mentioned how it's much harder in real life than what the show portrays.
As always, there are a lot of conditions (and I'm not qualified at all to say if this specific case meets them), but it's not necessarily impossible. If you're interested in doing more research into it, I'd suggest looking up something like "libel in fiction" or "defamation in fiction".
It's possible for lawsuits to succeed even if the character has a different name from the real person, if the character is still clearly recognizable as being based on a real person: When Fiction & Reality Collide - The Legal Consequences of Using Real People in Fiction (just one random-ish article I found, but there's a lot of info out there)
We should probably keep in mind that anyone can file suit. Whether it has merit or not is for the courts to decide.
Personally, and I'm definitely not a lawyer, but it seems to me that if that claim sticks a large part of Hollywood will collapse. Misrepresenting reality is all period pieces do.
Nothing is probably gonna come from this. The Emmy’s are this Sunday and lawsuits hitting the front runners at these award shows is a common thing. The Shape of Water was hit with a lawsuit for plagiarism a few days before it won Best Picture.