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  1. Comment on Linux distro of choice? in ~comp

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    I'm using POP!_OS. Very good so far. I'm a linux novice.

    I'm using POP!_OS. Very good so far. I'm a linux novice.

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  2. Comment on Let's speak in foreign (non-English) languages! in ~talk

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    മുഖ്യമന്ത്രി രാജിവെക്കുക!

    മുഖ്യമന്ത്രി രാജിവെക്കുക!

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  3. Comment on The technology fetish in ~talk

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    So what is productive work? Compare what Galileo was doing when he was staring in to the sky.

    So what is productive work? Compare what Galileo was doing when he was staring in to the sky.

  4. Comment on The technology fetish in ~talk

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    A human has a limited amount of effort per day. You mentioned more free time to enjoy and more enjoyable work as two lines that would make human life better. But then you're equating enjoying free...

    A human has a limited amount of effort per day. You mentioned more free time to enjoy and more enjoyable work as two lines that would make human life better.

    But then

    Enjoyable work is different because it will never be as enjoyable as free time, but it will give people more of a sense of purpose than spending their whole life doing nothing.

    you're equating enjoying free time as doing nothing. And work as doing something. Is this what you're saying, to be clear?

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  5. Comment on The technology fetish in ~talk

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    First of all, we reached common ground I think. We agree that it is always a good idea to make human life better in the abstract - 10000 years ago, now, a 100 years from now - always holds....

    First of all, we reached common ground I think. We agree that it is always a good idea to make human life better in the abstract - 10000 years ago, now, a 100 years from now - always holds.

    Self-worth good. You seem to be making a distinction between 'free time to enjoy ' and 'enjoyable work'. As in both are ways to spend human time. What's the difference?

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  6. Comment on The technology fetish in ~talk

    nomarkeu
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    Since you're top comment, I'll just say I'm trying to find common ground in this discussion. I'm not here to 'drop my wisdom' and then later throw my hands up and say how all these people don't...

    Since you're top comment, I'll just say I'm trying to find common ground in this discussion. I'm not here to 'drop my wisdom' and then later throw my hands up and say how all these people don't understand reality. Without common grounds, we'll be talking over each other. That's not any good. I hope you all will take me in good faith. See the other thread.

  7. Comment on The technology fetish in ~talk

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    Okay. What makes a better human life - in the most general sense?

    Okay. What makes a better human life - in the most general sense?

  8. Comment on The technology fetish in ~talk

    nomarkeu
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    I continue here. https://tildes.net/~talk/1rx/the_technology_fetish#comment-i9r Sorry I think it is better to stick to one thread. But you are great help. I will be reading everything.

    I continue here. https://tildes.net/~talk/1rx/the_technology_fetish#comment-i9r

    Sorry I think it is better to stick to one thread. But you are great help. I will be reading everything.

  9. Comment on The technology fetish in ~talk

    nomarkeu
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    Okay. I'm just going to stick to this thread. Thanks for keeping me on my toes. I have to introduce some new ideas here. So I was talking originally about human endevour, you know society as a...

    Okay. I'm just going to stick to this thread.

    In the united states, 1.6% are producing food for the other parts of society. A further 18.3% are producing other goods for society. The remainder is providing services, which probably includes other parts of the chain of providing food and other goods, such as a supermarket employee, as well as a myriad of other jobs.

    Thanks for keeping me on my toes. I have to introduce some new ideas here.

    So I was talking originally about human endevour, you know society as a whole, what we're trying to do. So there's human effort being spent on maintaining humanity. That is staying alive, basically - this includes food, shelter, safety etc and only the status quo work in this resepct. And others being support systems for the general human endevour - like banking, supermarkets etc. And there's making and taking care of children and raising them as our replacements. All good.

    All, or let's say most of that is due the animal in human. That is arising from what we have in common with animals (spiders, bees, ants..). We have to not die of hunger, not die of violence, not die of elements, and make kids - the bare minimum to keep humanity going - you know in the present - the base case - now. I have something to say about this too, but let's try to scrape the barrel of common grounds. Otherwise we'll be talking over each other.

    So, there's this other part of human effort that goes in to improving 'technology' - for various reasons. But the point of the discussion for me, is the one that is done as a matter of fact - due course. This could be just to improve the state of the present in some sense. Or to solve some apparent problems with the present. Both to make society 'better'. Or to make the human condition better. Right? Would you agree in general with what I have said here?

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  10. Comment on The technology fetish in ~talk

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    No I meant what are they working 'on', not 'for'.

    No I meant what are they working 'on', not 'for'.

  11. Comment on The technology fetish in ~talk

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    Oh, let's not just jump to conclusions like that. We were having an interesting thing going. And no I don't think we should all be sitting on our butts. I just want us to establish clear common...

    Oh, let's not just jump to conclusions like that. We were having an interesting thing going. And no I don't think we should all be sitting on our butts. I just want us to establish clear common grounds. This is the beginning of a conversation. I'm not just gonna say gotcha!

    So, what are most these people ultimately working on, mostly?

    edit: oh you're not op! but doesn't matter.

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  12. Comment on The technology fetish in ~talk

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    And what are most these people ultimately working on, mostly?

    And what are most these people ultimately working on, mostly?

    2 votes

  13. Comment on The technology fetish in ~talk

    nomarkeu
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    And where are all these people driving to mostly?

    And where are all these people driving to mostly?

    2 votes

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  15. Comment on The technology fetish in ~talk

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    So I'm going to ask a series of questions. I hope you will entertain me. Let's pick one line. Why AI driving?

    So I'm going to ask a series of questions. I hope you will entertain me. Let's pick one line.

    Why AI driving?

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  16. The technology fetish

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    What excites humans the most today is technological progress. Faster computers, better autonomous driving, colourful displays - a preoccuppation with 'means'. There seems to be much lesser...

    What excites humans the most today is technological progress. Faster computers, better autonomous driving, colourful displays - a preoccuppation with 'means'. There seems to be much lesser excitement and study among popular consiousness with what is done with all these tech. Your smartphone is a technological marvel - but what are you doing with it?

    This seems to be in similar veins as the idea of human progress from stone age to bronze to iron. "Stone age people used primitive technology, bronze age better, iron age the best. There are still peoples in the world who are still stuck in the stone age".

    But this is a biased perception of human endevours. What matters is what humans did, not what they did it with. The incas, mayas and aztecs were 'stuck' in stone technology. But they built marvelous civilizations, buildings and cultures rivalling the greatest achievements in the rest of the world in their time.

    Advancing technology is a fetish. One in pursuit of which we forget what matters is what we do with it. But there seems to be little of that going on. Most of the doing is for improving technology. And most of it in a fetishistic attempt to get out of the ditch we dug ourselves in from past technological 'progress'.

    Today, humans are like a bunch of sculptures spending most of their days dicussing chisel technology rather than sculpting.

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  17. Comment on Cutting out meat and dairy is the best way to reduce your environmental impact in ~food

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    Well, there's a point to be made about feeling that you're making a change. But I'll just leave this here. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xwvgeq/an-incomplete-timeline-of-what-we-tried...

    Well, there's a point to be made about feeling that you're making a change. But I'll just leave this here.

    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xwvgeq/an-incomplete-timeline-of-what-we-tried

    Also couple other points. Veganism is a privileged position. It is expensive. Billions of people in the world do not have the option to be vegan. And if you say being vegan is about doing as much as you can, then what's the point? It's just about the feels then.

    On the other hand, doing all these things - going vegan, reducing your 'carbon footprint' - makes you feel like you're really making a change when all it does is rob you of your rage against the situation you find the world in.

    All that veganism is a way for middle-class people to feel better about themselves that there's nothing they can do to avert the environmental catastrophe that is going on.

    It stops you from askig for true alternatives.

  18. Comment on <deleted topic> in ~books

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    A short history of progress by Ronald wright. Actually listen to the lecture on YT instead. I consider it a must listen for any human. It talks about how ancient civilizations fell and compare it...

    A short history of progress by Ronald wright. Actually listen to the lecture on YT instead. I consider it a must listen for any human. It talks about how ancient civilizations fell and compare it to ours.

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  20. Comment on Cutting out meat and dairy is the best way to reduce your environmental impact in ~food

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    But why would I want to reduce my environmental impact when it's a whole lotta effort but doesn't make a real difference?

    But why would I want to reduce my environmental impact when it's a whole lotta effort but doesn't make a real difference?