I love Dresden Files. They're super pulpy and definitely not high-art, but they're really fun reads. My only problem with them is that for some reason the storylines and characters always totally...
I love Dresden Files. They're super pulpy and definitely not high-art, but they're really fun reads. My only problem with them is that for some reason the storylines and characters always totally disappear from my mind a few years after reading them. So several times over the last few decades I ended up having to reread the entire series again whenever a new book has come out. :P
Shame that the TV series sucked so damn bad though. I think the books could have made for a genuinely incredible show. :/
p.s. I had no idea Jim Butcher struggled with depression and had almost committed suicide. I'm glad to hear he's doing much better now though.
Dresden is hardly the biggest victim of this, but I'll never get "hey someone has already written a story that millions of people love and should only take some minor tweaking to adapt into a slam...
Shame that the TV series sucked so damn bad though.
Dresden is hardly the biggest victim of this, but I'll never get "hey someone has already written a story that millions of people love and should only take some minor tweaking to adapt into a slam dunk show. Lets butcher it"
So... I'm actually one of the people that watched the show first, then got into the books. The show obviously had a lot of problems, and really didn't stick to the source material, but I actually...
So... I'm actually one of the people that watched the show first, then got into the books. The show obviously had a lot of problems, and really didn't stick to the source material, but I actually thought the show on it's own merits had a lot of potential
Same. I went back and watched it later and still didn't hate it. I dunno, I liked the casting a lot and I felt Bob was a pretty good addition. But again, I saw the show first. I might feel...
Same. I went back and watched it later and still didn't hate it. I dunno, I liked the casting a lot and I felt Bob was a pretty good addition.
But again, I saw the show first. I might feel differently otherwise. I know I had a really hard time seeing Murphy as the tiny blonde in the book and not the actress cast for the show.
I really think that casting an actual human for Bob was a good move, and I think the actor they got was really good. Honestly I think that was one of those changes that just made sense for the...
I really think that casting an actual human for Bob was a good move, and I think the actor they got was really good. Honestly I think that was one of those changes that just made sense for the medium.
People like to point toward things like the hockey stick staff, but honestly I liked that as well. Dresden is kind of stuck between two worlds, and I think that's a really clever way of showing that visually
I'm not a particular fan of Butcher's, the issues with writing female characters mentioned in the article is just one of the reasons; however I am glad he's found a way through his depression, and...
I'm not a particular fan of Butcher's, the issues with writing female characters mentioned in the article is just one of the reasons; however I am glad he's found a way through his depression, and been able to share that story with others.
His books mean a lot to other people which for better or worse means he can be an inspiration to others. (The worse part is the sense of obligation to act for others rather than oneself. ) I hope he's able to keep his peace regardless of the books' future
It's a 1950s pulp noir, crime/detective novel inspired series, which weren't exactly known for their compelling female characters. So, yeah, I can definitely see how that, and many of the other...
It's a 1950s pulp noir, crime/detective novel inspired series, which weren't exactly known for their compelling female characters. So, yeah, I can definitely see how that, and many of the other outdated tropes from that genre also being included in Dresden Files would irk a lot of people, yourself included. :/
I think that the noir tropes can start from fairly simple archetypes regarding a woman's role in the story, but by the time Harry has a co-ed squad of werewolves working with him, it's time for a...
I think that the noir tropes can start from fairly simple archetypes regarding a woman's role in the story, but by the time Harry has a co-ed squad of werewolves working with him, it's time for a characters' gender presentation to not be correlated with how deep their characterization is.
Practically, I can acknowledge that the noir written in the past carried the gender norms of its time, but when noir-themed stories are written in this century a cleaving to the gender norms of a past generation is a choice.
This is one of those times it's inappropriate to go into my annoyances in detail. I've read like 10-12 of Dresden, his entire Roman legion series and one of his steampunk books. It is not the noir...
This is one of those times it's inappropriate to go into my annoyances in detail. I've read like 10-12 of Dresden, his entire Roman legion series and one of his steampunk books. It is not the noir tropes. I don't need the series or the author explained or defended to me. I promise. Happy to discuss via DM or a general books post but not in this thread.
Fair enough. I definitely don't want to pressure you into discussing something you don't want to get into, or are uncomfortable with though, so I'll just leave it be.
Fair enough. I definitely don't want to pressure you into discussing something you don't want to get into, or are uncomfortable with though, so I'll just leave it be.
Huh. I dropped the series at Ghost Story, feeling that it had gotten a little too dark, a little too much about beating Harry while he was down. I'm glad to know Jim is doing better, and that...
Huh. I dropped the series at Ghost Story, feeling that it had gotten a little too dark, a little too much about beating Harry while he was down. I'm glad to know Jim is doing better, and that there was hope snd healing for both of them.
Hoo boy, it gets a lot darker after Ghost Story. The books are still good, and there are moments of humor and levity, but they get pretty brutal. I'm hoping Butcher being in a better place means...
Hoo boy, it gets a lot darker after Ghost Story. The books are still good, and there are moments of humor and levity, but they get pretty brutal. I'm hoping Butcher being in a better place means he'll be able to find some ways to inject more fun back into the story because Peace Talks/Battle Ground were pretty bleak.
I love Dresden Files. They're super pulpy and definitely not high-art, but they're really fun reads. My only problem with them is that for some reason the storylines and characters always totally disappear from my mind a few years after reading them. So several times over the last few decades I ended up having to reread the entire series again whenever a new book has come out. :P
Shame that the TV series sucked so damn bad though. I think the books could have made for a genuinely incredible show. :/
p.s. I had no idea Jim Butcher struggled with depression and had almost committed suicide. I'm glad to hear he's doing much better now though.
Dresden is hardly the biggest victim of this, but I'll never get "hey someone has already written a story that millions of people love and should only take some minor tweaking to adapt into a slam dunk show. Lets butcher it"
So... I'm actually one of the people that watched the show first, then got into the books. The show obviously had a lot of problems, and really didn't stick to the source material, but I actually thought the show on it's own merits had a lot of potential
Same. I went back and watched it later and still didn't hate it. I dunno, I liked the casting a lot and I felt Bob was a pretty good addition.
But again, I saw the show first. I might feel differently otherwise. I know I had a really hard time seeing Murphy as the tiny blonde in the book and not the actress cast for the show.
I really think that casting an actual human for Bob was a good move, and I think the actor they got was really good. Honestly I think that was one of those changes that just made sense for the medium.
People like to point toward things like the hockey stick staff, but honestly I liked that as well. Dresden is kind of stuck between two worlds, and I think that's a really clever way of showing that visually
I'm not a particular fan of Butcher's, the issues with writing female characters mentioned in the article is just one of the reasons; however I am glad he's found a way through his depression, and been able to share that story with others.
His books mean a lot to other people which for better or worse means he can be an inspiration to others. (The worse part is the sense of obligation to act for others rather than oneself. ) I hope he's able to keep his peace regardless of the books' future
It's a 1950s pulp noir, crime/detective novel inspired series, which weren't exactly known for their compelling female characters. So, yeah, I can definitely see how that, and many of the other outdated tropes from that genre also being included in Dresden Files would irk a lot of people, yourself included. :/
I think that the noir tropes can start from fairly simple archetypes regarding a woman's role in the story, but by the time Harry has a co-ed squad of werewolves working with him, it's time for a characters' gender presentation to not be correlated with how deep their characterization is.
Practically, I can acknowledge that the noir written in the past carried the gender norms of its time, but when noir-themed stories are written in this century a cleaving to the gender norms of a past generation is a choice.
This is one of those times it's inappropriate to go into my annoyances in detail. I've read like 10-12 of Dresden, his entire Roman legion series and one of his steampunk books. It is not the noir tropes. I don't need the series or the author explained or defended to me. I promise. Happy to discuss via DM or a general books post but not in this thread.
Fair enough. I definitely don't want to pressure you into discussing something you don't want to get into, or are uncomfortable with though, so I'll just leave it be.
It's that this is a thread about a man attempting suicide, not a discussion of the books. It's not my comfort, it's time and place.
Huh. I dropped the series at Ghost Story, feeling that it had gotten a little too dark, a little too much about beating Harry while he was down. I'm glad to know Jim is doing better, and that there was hope snd healing for both of them.
Hoo boy, it gets a lot darker after Ghost Story. The books are still good, and there are moments of humor and levity, but they get pretty brutal. I'm hoping Butcher being in a better place means he'll be able to find some ways to inject more fun back into the story because Peace Talks/Battle Ground were pretty bleak.
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