Damn, 42.6 C. That's just not right. I was complaining about the temps up in Northern Ireland but it's cold compared to that. Could global warming please stop? We don't have AC in Europe and we...
Damn, 42.6 C. That's just not right. I was complaining about the temps up in Northern Ireland but it's cold compared to that. Could global warming please stop? We don't have AC in Europe and we could just all die.
Please tell me you're kidding. That makes Germany's strides towards clean energy look a little less epic, if you aren't having to deal with that crazy energy demand curve.
We don't have AC in Europe
Please tell me you're kidding. That makes Germany's strides towards clean energy look a little less epic, if you aren't having to deal with that crazy energy demand curve.
keep in mind, most places in europe literally have never needed air conditioning to be livable on account of heat waves like this previously being once-in-a-blue-moon type events. in the same way...
keep in mind, most places in europe literally have never needed air conditioning to be livable on account of heat waves like this previously being once-in-a-blue-moon type events. in the same way people in seattle don't generally have or need air conditioning and structures aren't really built to accommodate it, the same is true of much of europe.
That never even occurred to me. Damn, if Europe starts needing them and people start running them on the regular, that's going to complicate their power distribution. Dealing with load spikes...
That never even occurred to me. Damn, if Europe starts needing them and people start running them on the regular, that's going to complicate their power distribution. Dealing with load spikes related to air conditioning keeps us pretty busy in the USA.
Yeah, there are quite a few places like that, where it's just never really been necessary. San Francisco is that way too; the weather is usually pretty mild, so it's uncommon for...
Yeah, there are quite a few places like that, where it's just never really been necessary. San Francisco is that way too; the weather is usually pretty mild, so it's uncommon for apartments/residences to have air conditioning. When they were having a heat wave last year, some of my friends were going into the office on weekends just to be somewhere with air conditioning.
It's like that here in Canada too. We put air conditioning in our house when we were building it, but it's still considered pretty unusual to have. It's usually only hot enough to need it for about one week a year, and most people will just deal with it or set up a bed in their basement for that week.
Funnily enough, in a lot of the coldest places in Europe, people all have heat pumps in modern houses because it saves a ton on heating costs during the winter. You can use these as AC in the...
Funnily enough, in a lot of the coldest places in Europe, people all have heat pumps in modern houses because it saves a ton on heating costs during the winter.
You can use these as AC in the summer because yay thermodynamics. Although that wasn't a selling feature, during the last decade it's been very useful many places in Northern Europe.
You can, but the ideal location for heating in the winter can be pretty shit for cooling in the summer. My parents have a heat pump in the basement next to a stairwell that leads to the primary...
You can use these as AC in the summer because yay thermodynamics.
You can, but the ideal location for heating in the winter can be pretty shit for cooling in the summer. My parents have a heat pump in the basement next to a stairwell that leads to the primary living areas upstairs. This is great for heating because hot air rises. It's extremely inefficient for cooling though. Yay, thermodynamics.
It depends on the heatsink and your ventilation system. I live in FL, so my house along with most other houses were designed around central air. Every room has vents that go back to a central heat...
It depends on the heatsink and your ventilation system. I live in FL, so my house along with most other houses were designed around central air. Every room has vents that go back to a central heat exchanger, so it works great in the summer, and pretty well in the winter also. The issue is that my system is an air source system, so it sends hot water outside to be cooled by the exchange outside which heats the surrounding air. This works pretty well when its hot out, because even though Florida gets quite hot, the differential between the temperature inside and the temperature outside isn't so great that the system requires an unreasonable amount of power to work against it.
Once you get into situations where the pump is working in reverse, it also works well here because it doesn't get that cold. The issue arises in places where it gets bitterly cold. A system like mine would have to work hard to keep a house warm in -30 F weather. A better option that is most often used in places like that are ground source systems. Excess heat is either dumped into, or extracted from deep in the ground, where temperatures are usually pretty constant and close to the temperature you want the house to be. With those systems, the temperature differential isn't so bad all year around, so the system works pretty well all the time as long as your vents are evenly distributed.
They're pricey to install though.
AC in homes is extremely rare in Europe. I don't know the exact figures but this article talks about the upswing of AC sales in Germany last year and it was only 200k units which is not many vs...
AC in homes is extremely rare in Europe. I don't know the exact figures but this article talks about the upswing of AC sales in Germany last year and it was only 200k units which is not many vs the population of Germany.
In the UK I know exactly zero people who have AC and even offices rarely have it unless they are fairly modern. We simply have never needed AC over here, though those times are indeed a-changing.
Of course our powergrid and energy costs can't even support widespread AC but that's another issue entirely.
This does a great job of putting the heat wave in perspective: The top image is a fictitious weather report imagining what the weather would be like in 2050 for a 2014 French TV documentary about...
This does a great job of putting the heat wave in perspective:
i like that the turnaround from fiction to reality here wasn't even a decade. underscores once again that we have next to no clue what we're actually sowing right now for the future, even with our...
i like that the turnaround from fiction to reality here wasn't even a decade. underscores once again that we have next to no clue what we're actually sowing right now for the future, even with our current modeling.
European here. Was talking with a friend the other day how it might be a good time to start a business in this field. Both of us are still in school, and set on completing it though, so we hardly...
European here. Was talking with a friend the other day how it might be a good time to start a business in this field. Both of us are still in school, and set on completing it though, so we hardly have the capital or time to attempt it.
Damn, 42.6 C. That's just not right. I was complaining about the temps up in Northern Ireland but it's cold compared to that. Could global warming please stop? We don't have AC in Europe and we could just all die.
Please tell me you're kidding. That makes Germany's strides towards clean energy look a little less epic, if you aren't having to deal with that crazy energy demand curve.
keep in mind, most places in europe literally have never needed air conditioning to be livable on account of heat waves like this previously being once-in-a-blue-moon type events. in the same way people in seattle don't generally have or need air conditioning and structures aren't really built to accommodate it, the same is true of much of europe.
That never even occurred to me. Damn, if Europe starts needing them and people start running them on the regular, that's going to complicate their power distribution. Dealing with load spikes related to air conditioning keeps us pretty busy in the USA.
Yeah, there are quite a few places like that, where it's just never really been necessary. San Francisco is that way too; the weather is usually pretty mild, so it's uncommon for apartments/residences to have air conditioning. When they were having a heat wave last year, some of my friends were going into the office on weekends just to be somewhere with air conditioning.
It's like that here in Canada too. We put air conditioning in our house when we were building it, but it's still considered pretty unusual to have. It's usually only hot enough to need it for about one week a year, and most people will just deal with it or set up a bed in their basement for that week.
Funnily enough, in a lot of the coldest places in Europe, people all have heat pumps in modern houses because it saves a ton on heating costs during the winter.
You can use these as AC in the summer because yay thermodynamics. Although that wasn't a selling feature, during the last decade it's been very useful many places in Northern Europe.
You can, but the ideal location for heating in the winter can be pretty shit for cooling in the summer. My parents have a heat pump in the basement next to a stairwell that leads to the primary living areas upstairs. This is great for heating because hot air rises. It's extremely inefficient for cooling though. Yay, thermodynamics.
It depends on the heatsink and your ventilation system. I live in FL, so my house along with most other houses were designed around central air. Every room has vents that go back to a central heat exchanger, so it works great in the summer, and pretty well in the winter also. The issue is that my system is an air source system, so it sends hot water outside to be cooled by the exchange outside which heats the surrounding air. This works pretty well when its hot out, because even though Florida gets quite hot, the differential between the temperature inside and the temperature outside isn't so great that the system requires an unreasonable amount of power to work against it.
Once you get into situations where the pump is working in reverse, it also works well here because it doesn't get that cold. The issue arises in places where it gets bitterly cold. A system like mine would have to work hard to keep a house warm in -30 F weather. A better option that is most often used in places like that are ground source systems. Excess heat is either dumped into, or extracted from deep in the ground, where temperatures are usually pretty constant and close to the temperature you want the house to be. With those systems, the temperature differential isn't so bad all year around, so the system works pretty well all the time as long as your vents are evenly distributed.
They're pricey to install though.
AC in homes is extremely rare in Europe. I don't know the exact figures but this article talks about the upswing of AC sales in Germany last year and it was only 200k units which is not many vs the population of Germany.
In the UK I know exactly zero people who have AC and even offices rarely have it unless they are fairly modern. We simply have never needed AC over here, though those times are indeed a-changing.
Of course our powergrid and energy costs can't even support widespread AC but that's another issue entirely.
This does a great job of putting the heat wave in perspective:
The top image is a fictitious weather report imagining what the weather would be like in 2050 for a 2014 French TV documentary about climate change. The bottom image is the real weather report from last week
(via this post on /r/europe)
Jesus fuck. I remember that original image.
Yeah it does put things in perspective.
i like that the turnaround from fiction to reality here wasn't even a decade. underscores once again that we have next to no clue what we're actually sowing right now for the future, even with our current modeling.
If any European Tilderinos want to start importing Air Conditioners I can be your pointman in the US. Sounds like the timing may be right.
European here. Was talking with a friend the other day how it might be a good time to start a business in this field. Both of us are still in school, and set on completing it though, so we hardly have the capital or time to attempt it.