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Tildes User Income Survey

30 comments

  1. [14]
    tildez
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    I feel like an absolute twerp saying this, but $100k/yr is a very low ceiling, especially since I would assume there is a large percentage of users here that work in high-paid tech jobs, and also...

    I feel like an absolute twerp saying this, but $100k/yr is a very low ceiling, especially since I would assume there is a large percentage of users here that work in high-paid tech jobs, and also live in high cost of living areas.

    19 votes
    1. [5]
      Gaywallet
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      I think it accurately reflects America, but you're right. $100k/yr in SF is very different than $100k/yr in say, Idaho.

      I think it accurately reflects America, but you're right. $100k/yr in SF is very different than $100k/yr in say, Idaho.

      7 votes
      1. [4]
        tildez
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        Seems like you can't gather much useful info when a household of 2 high school teachers break $100k, putting them into the top bracket.

        Seems like you can't gather much useful info when a household of 2 high school teachers break $100k, putting them into the top bracket.

        7 votes
        1. [3]
          The_Fad
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          Phew! Those are some well paid teachers where I'm from!

          Phew! Those are some well paid teachers where I'm from!

          2 votes
          1. [2]
            stu2b50
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            I mean, according to Niche the median nation-wide salary for a teacher is 58k, so two working adults in a family with that occupation would make over 100k household-wise. Of course, in the country...

            I mean, according to Niche the median nation-wide salary for a teacher is 58k, so two working adults in a family with that occupation would make over 100k household-wise. Of course, in the country there are many households with one bread earner, which is why median household income isn't near 100k.

            6 votes
            1. The_Fad
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              I just meant that most of the teachers I know (was familiar with basically the entire drama and education departments during my collegiate stint, due to befriending a particularly ambitious...

              I just meant that most of the teachers I know (was familiar with basically the entire drama and education departments during my collegiate stint, due to befriending a particularly ambitious Theatre Ed pursuant) are pulling down between 35k and 40k per year. And those are the lucky ones.

              But yeah, people definitely make different amounts all over the place.

              2 votes
    2. teaearlgraycold
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      If the data shows a huge spike on $100,000+ then the survey should be re-ran. I see no reason not to allow a free-form number input.

      If the data shows a huge spike on $100,000+ then the survey should be re-ran. I see no reason not to allow a free-form number input.

      4 votes
    3. [5]
      The_Fad
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      I see what you're saying, but I'm confident in it. The median household us income is $61k. At least for my purposes it works well enough.

      I see what you're saying, but I'm confident in it. The median household us income is $61k. At least for my purposes it works well enough.

      1 vote
      1. [4]
        2c13b71452
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        I think if you don't collect the country people live in your data aren't going to tell you much about social class. $20k/year would probably put you in the 90th percentile in some countries.

        I think if you don't collect the country people live in your data aren't going to tell you much about social class. $20k/year would probably put you in the 90th percentile in some countries.

        5 votes
        1. [3]
          The_Fad
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          I appreciate the concern and advice! Like I said elsewhere, this is a very informal survey and I'm not in need of very specific data. Rough approximations are fine for my purposes.

          I appreciate the concern and advice! Like I said elsewhere, this is a very informal survey and I'm not in need of very specific data. Rough approximations are fine for my purposes.

          2 votes
          1. [2]
            vakieh
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            What purposes are those? Purchasing power and quality of life are far greater indicators of anything at all - not to mention currency conversions. You might assume you mean USD and everyone will...

            What purposes are those? Purchasing power and quality of life are far greater indicators of anything at all - not to mention currency conversions. You might assume you mean USD and everyone will just understand that (they won't), but there are a lot of dollars out there and your data will be pretty much useless as is.

            Ninja edit: having read your purpose is a research paper... please don't write that paper without first consulting someone with a background in basic social science and stats. Because as someone who is an active researcher, this is really bad.

            3 votes
            1. The_Fad
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              It's not a formal research paper. I lost a bet. Ya'll all so concerned, lol.

              It's not a formal research paper. I lost a bet.

              Ya'll all so concerned, lol.

              1 vote
    4. krg
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      Chiming in as someone who makes less than half that!

      Chiming in as someone who makes less than half that!

      1 vote
    5. zaarn
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      Or people in different countries where 0-10k might not be enough differentiation to be valuable statistics.

      Or people in different countries where 0-10k might not be enough differentiation to be valuable statistics.

      1 vote
  2. [3]
    asoftbird
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    I'm probably an edge case, as l don't really have an income (less than $8k/year) but originate from a decently wealthy family with plenty of savings. l don't earn a lot but l can afford things...

    I'm probably an edge case, as l don't really have an income (less than $8k/year) but originate from a decently wealthy family with plenty of savings. l don't earn a lot but l can afford things easily.

    l'm not sure if only using "annual salary" is a good enough method to account for such edge cases.

    6 votes
    1. [2]
      The_Fad
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      Good point. My lack of formal statistics education is showing, lol. I would put whatever you feel is appropriate in this case, be that $8k/year or (for example) $80k/year. Whatever you feel most...

      Good point. My lack of formal statistics education is showing, lol. I would put whatever you feel is appropriate in this case, be that $8k/year or (for example) $80k/year. Whatever you feel most accurately represents yourself.

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        1. The_Fad
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          Not for my purposes, but I appreciate the idea!

          Not for my purposes, but I appreciate the idea!

  3. [10]
    The_Fad
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    Hi friends! I'm working on a project and I'm hoping you all would be willing to provide me with some information. All I'm requesting is your total annual household income in USD (currency...

    Hi friends! I'm working on a project and I'm hoping you all would be willing to provide me with some information. All I'm requesting is your total annual household income in USD (currency converter located here). I won't be collecting any other data about you, just your answer to that question.

    Because I understand a lot of people probably think this is super weird, let me briefly explain: I'm working on a research paper involving social class and internet usage, specifically image and text forums. My (fairly obvious and uninspired) hypothesis is that, just like in real life, people congregate online based on their social class as an extension of their "wealth".

    It's highly informal and without a large enough pool of data I may not even be able to use it, but hey, you never know unless you ask! Thanks in advance everyone.

    4 votes
    1. [3]
      dubteedub
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      So is your argument that internet users will naturally gravitate to communities where the other participants are roughly at the same socio-economic status? Also, if you are looking for any more...

      So is your argument that internet users will naturally gravitate to communities where the other participants are roughly at the same socio-economic status?

      Also, if you are looking for any more data, you can see our previous .5 year demographics survey here - https://tildes.net/~tildes/90t/demographics_survey_results_year_0_5.

      3 votes
      1. [2]
        The_Fad
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        Effectively, yes. I'm trying to avoid large forum communities because I feel they'll naturally be more evened out demographically, not to mention the nightmare it would be to obtain that info from...

        Effectively, yes. I'm trying to avoid large forum communities because I feel they'll naturally be more evened out demographically, not to mention the nightmare it would be to obtain that info from places like Reddit or Twitch or Stack Overflow.

        Hey thanks! That's super helpful!

        1 vote
        1. [2]
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          1. The_Fad
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            The hypothesis is specifically in reference to smaller communities with an upper limit based on user activity per day.

            The hypothesis is specifically in reference to smaller communities with an upper limit based on user activity per day.

            2 votes
    2. unknown user
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      I feel kind of dumb asking it, but what about non-US countries? I don't mean the currency, I mean the purchasing power parity. Making $30,000 in the US and making ~₴800,000 in Ukraine, while...

      I feel kind of dumb asking it, but what about non-US countries? I don't mean the currency, I mean the purchasing power parity. Making $30,000 in the US and making ~800,000 in Ukraine, while technically the same amount of money, puts one into significantly different social layers in those countries.

      3 votes
    3. [3]
      CALICO
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      I normally make around one amount, but occasionally I take contracts which doubles my income. I just took one of those, which will apply for the next year at least. For the purpose of your survey,...

      I normally make around one amount, but occasionally I take contracts which doubles my income. I just took one of those, which will apply for the next year at least.

      For the purpose of your survey, which would you prefer?

      2 votes
      1. [2]
        The_Fad
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        Thanks for asking! Use the amount sans doubled income, assuming those contracts are outliers that come around only once every few years. If they're more frequent than that, use the doubled income...

        Thanks for asking! Use the amount sans doubled income, assuming those contracts are outliers that come around only once every few years. If they're more frequent than that, use the doubled income amount.

    4. [2]
      UniquelyGeneric
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      As a resident in NYC I think you should have increased your available ranges (or included location), since 100K certainly can afford a comfortable life as a single person, but as others have said,...

      As a resident in NYC I think you should have increased your available ranges (or included location), since 100K certainly can afford a comfortable life as a single person, but as others have said, the same amount in other parts of the world is more than enough to raise an entire family on.

      1 vote
      1. The_Fad
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        I appreciate the input!

        I appreciate the input!

        1 vote
  4. Soptik
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    Maybe a better format would be something like which percentage of your country median income do you make, so it wouldn’t be biased based on location living costs.

    Maybe a better format would be something like which percentage of your country median income do you make, so it wouldn’t be biased based on location living costs.

    4 votes
  5. Octofox
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    Household income counts everyone in the house right? That seems a bit useless to know without knowing how many people are in the house. I live with my parents so all up we would be over double...

    Household income counts everyone in the house right? That seems a bit useless to know without knowing how many people are in the house. I live with my parents so all up we would be over double what the maximum on the survey is but only a much smaller % is mine to use.

    3 votes
  6. parenthesis
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    Welp I messed up and put my income in CAD instead of USD. It would have been nice to have that warning in the text of the survey! That said, I'm doubtful that converting would give an accurate...

    Welp I messed up and put my income in CAD instead of USD. It would have been nice to have that warning in the text of the survey! That said, I'm doubtful that converting would give an accurate representation of my purchasing power/income percentile. I suspect the conversion would make me look a little worse off than I actually am.

    2 votes