I can confidently maintain my expectations that I'll be force fed the "opportunity" to purchase tons of microtransactions, be called a bunch of racial slurs while playing the game, then quit after...
I can confidently maintain my expectations that I'll be force fed the "opportunity" to purchase tons of microtransactions, be called a bunch of racial slurs while playing the game, then quit after a few hours because I'm not having any actual fun.
I mean, there is always Battlebit Remastered. If you can get past the voxel styling of the graphics, it's a fairly well done Battlefield-esque experience. Reminds me a lot of BF2 circa 2007-ish....
I mean, there is always Battlebit Remastered.
If you can get past the voxel styling of the graphics, it's a fairly well done Battlefield-esque experience. Reminds me a lot of BF2 circa 2007-ish. It is in early access though, so expect some changes here and there.
I've been having a blast on it lately. The voice chat is also actively moderated for racism/related unacceptable stuff and people do get banned.
"The voice chat is also actively moderated for racism/related unacceptable stuff and people do get banned." Not my experience at all. I was called so many expletives and slurs during the short...
"The voice chat is also actively moderated for racism/related unacceptable stuff and people do get banned."
Not my experience at all. I was called so many expletives and slurs during the short time I played that I refunded it. There's no moderation whatsoever.
That's rough. I'm sorry to hear that. Honestly, my experience has been the opposite in-game. Most of my team mates and people on the other team have been friendly. The ones I've ran into that were...
That's rough. I'm sorry to hear that.
Honestly, my experience has been the opposite in-game. Most of my team mates and people on the other team have been friendly. The ones I've ran into that were not and were actively being assholes, I reported.
I also regularly see ban notifications for people being racist/offensive popping off in game when I play. It's a shame our experiences have been the opposite, because I've been having a lot of fun.
We're they all that bad? I think 4 was just really good. Battlefield 1 and 5 I would argue we're good as well just not a modern war. Battlefield 2042 was disappointing for me but I'm not sure if...
We're they all that bad? I think 4 was just really good. Battlefield 1 and 5 I would argue we're good as well just not a modern war.
Battlefield 2042 was disappointing for me but I'm not sure if that's just because my gaming habits changed, the media around it or if it really was that bad. I didn't buy it right away and when I did I went into it knowing the reviews were not great. I ended up hardly playing losing interest fast.
5 was quite good after about a year or so but by then it was too late. The game had very little content on release and it took too long for more to come out. It's also a world war 2 game with no...
5 was quite good after about a year or so but by then it was too late. The game had very little content on release and it took too long for more to come out.
It's also a world war 2 game with no Eastern front at all.
Personally, I've been a bit distanced from the franchise by then, and all the cultural diffusion (i.e. what would make a person buy the game or not) gave me this impression: I'm not sure which one...
Personally, I've been a bit distanced from the franchise by then, and all the cultural diffusion (i.e. what would make a person buy the game or not) gave me this impression:
I'm not sure which one is 1 and which is 5 on promo materials,
did 5 release already?
not sure what's special about 5. 1 had huge blimps and funky weapons,
so much misogyny masqueraded as concern about "realism" in a game where you frequently jump from airplane to airplane mid-flight.
Overall, the marketing was so piss-poor that I'm sure some people wouldn't buy the game for months even if they wanted to play it.
I've always been bemused how it seems lost to time that "get woke go broke" was a phrase made up by these exact capital-G Gamers who were upset at "realism" of specifically female soliders in the...
so much misogyny masqueraded as concern about "realism" in a game where you frequently jump from airplane to airplane mid-flight.
I've always been bemused how it seems lost to time that "get woke go broke" was a phrase made up by these exact capital-G Gamers who were upset at "realism" of specifically female soliders in the BFV reveal trailer, even though by that point nothing about the BF games were realistic (the previous game was basically such a fantastical version of WW1 it may as well have been steampunk alt-history).
The game didn't sell well from the outset because BF had already been trending downwards for years at that point, and yet they took this stupid misogynistic mantra as some kind of truthy motto, and now that phrase is everywhere even though it never made any sense in the first place.
At the risk of sounding like one of these Capital G Gamers, I would point to what the Battlebit Remastered devs found out about their game throughout their development. If you aren’t familiar,...
At the risk of sounding like one of these Capital G Gamers, I would point to what the Battlebit Remastered devs found out about their game throughout their development. If you aren’t familiar, Battlebit started life as a milsym game with the intention of appealing to the Tarkov and ARMA crowds. They implemented many of the features to deliberately slow the game down in the interest of realism. The problem they found was that their target audience could not get past their art style, and the people who found the art style appealing were turned off by the hardcore realism gameplay.
I would argue that some people, myself included, were very turned off by that first trailer featuring the Cockney accented amputee running through a war zone that the devs tout as having the highest graphical fidelity ever. Tracer is fine in Overwatch, the character fits the game and tone, but the character in the battlefield trailer does not. As the Battlebit devs found, your art style can limit what people will accept gameplay wise.
A matter of distaste is perfectly fine. It's specifically the dogwhistle "realism" concerns when the actual issue was that it was a female solider depicted. It's hard to justify that BFV is too...
A matter of distaste is perfectly fine. It's specifically the dogwhistle "realism" concerns when the actual issue was that it was a female solider depicted. It's hard to justify that BFV is too far over the realism line when BF1 was already very fantastical. And that's not to suggest that any concerns or complaints of realism are inherently a dogwhistle, but specifically how they were applied in this context.
The other thing is that the tone of that trailer was 100% the Battlefield tone. An art style may limit what people will expect gameplay wise but BFV had the traditional BF art style. The only real changes from what people expected from a BF in the trailer were that they added females and prosthetics (and one of my biggest complaints about BF1 to BFV was that there were barely any changes made beyond the setting). If that's the delta that made people go from fans to haters, then they have to explain what specifically it is about seeing a woman or prosthetics that goes too far for them. I'm more convinced that most of the backlash the game got was not from BF fans at all, but from the still-active GamerGate contingent who undertook any insidious method to complain about diversity and inclusion in video games.
It wasn't more arcadey or a step away from what was depicted in BF3, 4, or 1. There should not have been any concerns that BF was moving away from what it always was based on that reveal trailer alone. The lady in question was not at all depicted like an Overwatch character, despite the hokey Cockney accent. She's also not running through the warzone like some kind of unique hero, the trailer depicts groups of soldiers including her traversing it. If anything, it's the player character POV that does the most running around the warzone by themselves heroically in the trailer, including a moment where he magically guns down a passing plane.
In the end there is zero reason to accuse this trailer, and consequently the game, the devs, and the publisher, of being "woke" based on this trailer unless the "woke" part is that is has a woman (or prosthetics, but I haven't heard of anyone calling them woke).
To clarify, I’m not arguing the game is “woke”. I agree with your points, people absolutely were taking issue with a woman being in the trailer. Maybe my concern was with seeing this over the top...
To clarify, I’m not arguing the game is “woke”. I agree with your points, people absolutely were taking issue with a woman being in the trailer.
Maybe my concern was with seeing this over the top character being thrown in and me instantly associating it with micro transactions to customize your character. “Look at what you can buy! Face paint! Quirky Accents!”
Oh yes, I understood you weren't suggesting that. I was just expanding on my earlier thoughts really. But the cosmetics were definitely a very real concern, yes. The game did have quite a bit of...
Oh yes, I understood you weren't suggesting that. I was just expanding on my earlier thoughts really.
But the cosmetics were definitely a very real concern, yes. The game did have quite a bit of MTX and EA is still trying to GaaS Battlefield now, including their most recently stated goals for the next entry.
I don't really mind them not having an Eastern front. I don't mind a lot of things about 5, I played it a ton. I do mind that they finally started to get the game 'on track' gave us like one set...
I don't really mind them not having an Eastern front. I don't mind a lot of things about 5, I played it a ton.
I do mind that they finally started to get the game 'on track' gave us like one set of more historically accurate skins, and then basically and unceremoniously dropped all support after pushing out the quite average PUBG knock off mode.
yeah, no Eastern front is fine if the rest of the game is great... but it wasn't. it was just starting to get good and then oops DICE needs to work on bf2042 now sorry guys! Still would have liked...
yeah, no Eastern front is fine if the rest of the game is great... but it wasn't. it was just starting to get good and then oops DICE needs to work on bf2042 now sorry guys!
Still would have liked a Khalkin Gol map or something in the continuation war but really I just want the game to have more content of any kind.
As somebody who didn't get super deep into it I saw a few problems with 2042. buggy at launch. It wasn't super bad but it was enough that people would see the issues and just go play something...
As somebody who didn't get super deep into it I saw a few problems with 2042.
buggy at launch. It wasn't super bad but it was enough that people would see the issues and just go play something else. There are so many alternatives for bigger match online FPS games that people don't care as much about the BF formula or name.
lack of post launch support. They took forever releasing new maps etc for the multiplayer. And they had an AMAZING idea with the Portal mode (bringing back legacy content from old games and letting players chop and screw gametypes etc) but didn't support it at all so it just died.
the near future setting - this is just personal taste but personally I find this so unappealing. Of any 'era' to set a game in, it's my least favorite. It always feels generic.
BFV as an example had decent post launch support. It was criticized for not having enough content but they added to it with free updates over time which kept the game going along, but eventually cut it off bc the game wasn't grabbing much of an audience.
I don't know what they mean about "the last few" though. I actually found Battlefield 3 and 4 the least appealing and most disappointing with how they changed from BFBC2. BF Hardline barely counts, BF1 was really fun imo and BFV, after some updates, was a good time.
Admittedly though I'm not someone playing these games for hundreds and hundreds of hours. I love the oldest games the most (BF1942, Vietnam, and to a lesser extent BF2).
I skipped out on BF2042 initially because I didn't like the direction they were going, but my man it did not die, it maybe have been in critical condition for a while but a few months ago it came...
I skipped out on BF2042 initially because I didn't like the direction they were going, but my man it did not die, it maybe have been in critical condition for a while but a few months ago it came up on the Xbox game pass and I gave it a shot and was blown away. It's nothing like the initial reviews said.
Current state 2042 is a return to form, it reminds me a lot of BF4 but with the Operators special abilities it allows you to not just exist as an infantryman on a vehicle heavy map but, with some skills, to dominate. They recently released Reclaimed which is a homage to Zavod and it's lots of fun.
I honestly haven't had this much fun in BF since Bad Company 2. The only sad thing is that just as they found their footing it's clear they are moving resources on to the next title.
I actually only played it when it was added to Game Pass as well and I was still not super impressed with it, but I agree it was better than the initial reviews indicated. I just didn't see any...
I actually only played it when it was added to Game Pass as well and I was still not super impressed with it, but I agree it was better than the initial reviews indicated. I just didn't see any reason to stick with it.
I thought it was fine from what I played. It just wasn't enough to draw me in to play it longer term... which to he honest is a very hard sell even for a good game. I have a 1 year old and I don't...
I thought it was fine from what I played. It just wasn't enough to draw me in to play it longer term... which to he honest is a very hard sell even for a good game. I have a 1 year old and I don't really play a lot of MP games because I don't really wanna spend my gaming time on playing 1 game endlessly when I could play a bunch of other different stuff instead.
Even before that I didn't play a lot of MP games for many years, but I got really into Halo Infinite when it came out. I just stopped playing it because baby.
Battlefield 4 is 10 years old, hardly a recent game. A lot of people didn't like 1 and 5 for various reasons, I personally don't like the early world war setting, its just not fun for me.
Battlefield 4 is 10 years old, hardly a recent game. A lot of people didn't like 1 and 5 for various reasons, I personally don't like the early world war setting, its just not fun for me.
"Truly connected ecosystem" What the hell does that even mean? I'm so sick of all this corporate PR talk and underdelivering of the game industry as a whole. I miss when games were made by small,...
"Truly connected ecosystem"
What the hell does that even mean? I'm so sick of all this corporate PR talk and underdelivering of the game industry as a whole. I miss when games were made by small, passionate groups of people and not some amorphous capitalist corporate blob chasing the new trends, trying to be the next Hollywood.
I don't know, I guess I'm just getting old. None of this crap even appeals to me, I'm clearly not the target audience anymore, yet it makes me so frustrated to see the direction the industry is going...
It means there's gonna be a smartphone app that tells you how many deaths you could've racked up if you were playing Metro instead of going to work or hanging out with friends. And the smartphone...
It means there's gonna be a smartphone app that tells you how many deaths you could've racked up if you were playing Metro instead of going to work or hanging out with friends.
And the smartphone app will give you a push notification every time your battlefield stamina is recharged so you can unlock sprint again or something.
"Truly connected ecosystem" does not give me hype. This tells me that the new Battlefield will have some pay to win GaaS bullshit, will flop as a result of said bullshit, then EA will do their...
"Truly connected ecosystem" does not give me hype.
This tells me that the new Battlefield will have some pay to win GaaS bullshit, will flop as a result of said bullshit, then EA will do their usual ritual of dragging the failing development studio that made this mess out back and pumping it full of buckshot like an injured race horse.
Yeah, weren't they pedaling that same sort of shit with BF2042 with the connected era stuff or whatever it was? I think EA and Dice are just no longer capable of making a no string attached...
Yeah, weren't they pedaling that same sort of shit with BF2042 with the connected era stuff or whatever it was? I think EA and Dice are just no longer capable of making a no string attached Battlefield game. I wouldn't be surprised if the next one also tanks and goes below BattleBit in player count.
That sounds like an awful, live service game. There's about 20 years worth of feedback on video games including ones developed by them over the years. Yet not a single time do they "recapture"...
That sounds like an awful, live service game.
There's about 20 years worth of feedback on video games including ones developed by them over the years.
Yet not a single time do they "recapture" instead of "revolutionizing" or "reimagining" their IP.
How hard can it be to make a good game, with so much market analysis and history.
Here we go again. The never ending cycle of hype, false promises, fanboys, pre-orders and disappointment.
Not sure how anybody can maintain expectations after the last few Battlefield games, but maybe...
I can confidently maintain my expectations that I'll be force fed the "opportunity" to purchase tons of microtransactions, be called a bunch of racial slurs while playing the game, then quit after a few hours because I'm not having any actual fun.
I mean, there is always Battlebit Remastered.
If you can get past the voxel styling of the graphics, it's a fairly well done Battlefield-esque experience. Reminds me a lot of BF2 circa 2007-ish. It is in early access though, so expect some changes here and there.
I've been having a blast on it lately. The voice chat is also actively moderated for racism/related unacceptable stuff and people do get banned.
Vector nerf, faster leveling, and all classes get mild healing from bandages is incoming. Should be much better after the next update.
now they just need to fix some more maps and add pump action shotguns and it'll be a 10/10 game
"The voice chat is also actively moderated for racism/related unacceptable stuff and people do get banned."
Not my experience at all. I was called so many expletives and slurs during the short time I played that I refunded it. There's no moderation whatsoever.
That's rough. I'm sorry to hear that.
Honestly, my experience has been the opposite in-game. Most of my team mates and people on the other team have been friendly. The ones I've ran into that were not and were actively being assholes, I reported.
I also regularly see ban notifications for people being racist/offensive popping off in game when I play. It's a shame our experiences have been the opposite, because I've been having a lot of fun.
We're they all that bad? I think 4 was just really good. Battlefield 1 and 5 I would argue we're good as well just not a modern war.
Battlefield 2042 was disappointing for me but I'm not sure if that's just because my gaming habits changed, the media around it or if it really was that bad. I didn't buy it right away and when I did I went into it knowing the reviews were not great. I ended up hardly playing losing interest fast.
4 was fine, I felt like it's just a polished 3. 1 was a (positive) revolution, 5 just confused people, 2042 ruined the formula.
5 was quite good after about a year or so but by then it was too late. The game had very little content on release and it took too long for more to come out.
It's also a world war 2 game with no Eastern front at all.
Personally, I've been a bit distanced from the franchise by then, and all the cultural diffusion (i.e. what would make a person buy the game or not) gave me this impression:
Overall, the marketing was so piss-poor that I'm sure some people wouldn't buy the game for months even if they wanted to play it.
I've always been bemused how it seems lost to time that "get woke go broke" was a phrase made up by these exact capital-G Gamers who were upset at "realism" of specifically female soliders in the BFV reveal trailer, even though by that point nothing about the BF games were realistic (the previous game was basically such a fantastical version of WW1 it may as well have been steampunk alt-history).
The game didn't sell well from the outset because BF had already been trending downwards for years at that point, and yet they took this stupid misogynistic mantra as some kind of truthy motto, and now that phrase is everywhere even though it never made any sense in the first place.
At the risk of sounding like one of these Capital G Gamers, I would point to what the Battlebit Remastered devs found out about their game throughout their development. If you aren’t familiar, Battlebit started life as a milsym game with the intention of appealing to the Tarkov and ARMA crowds. They implemented many of the features to deliberately slow the game down in the interest of realism. The problem they found was that their target audience could not get past their art style, and the people who found the art style appealing were turned off by the hardcore realism gameplay.
I would argue that some people, myself included, were very turned off by that first trailer featuring the Cockney accented amputee running through a war zone that the devs tout as having the highest graphical fidelity ever. Tracer is fine in Overwatch, the character fits the game and tone, but the character in the battlefield trailer does not. As the Battlebit devs found, your art style can limit what people will accept gameplay wise.
A matter of distaste is perfectly fine. It's specifically the dogwhistle "realism" concerns when the actual issue was that it was a female solider depicted. It's hard to justify that BFV is too far over the realism line when BF1 was already very fantastical. And that's not to suggest that any concerns or complaints of realism are inherently a dogwhistle, but specifically how they were applied in this context.
The other thing is that the tone of that trailer was 100% the Battlefield tone. An art style may limit what people will expect gameplay wise but BFV had the traditional BF art style. The only real changes from what people expected from a BF in the trailer were that they added females and prosthetics (and one of my biggest complaints about BF1 to BFV was that there were barely any changes made beyond the setting). If that's the delta that made people go from fans to haters, then they have to explain what specifically it is about seeing a woman or prosthetics that goes too far for them. I'm more convinced that most of the backlash the game got was not from BF fans at all, but from the still-active GamerGate contingent who undertook any insidious method to complain about diversity and inclusion in video games.
It wasn't more arcadey or a step away from what was depicted in BF3, 4, or 1. There should not have been any concerns that BF was moving away from what it always was based on that reveal trailer alone. The lady in question was not at all depicted like an Overwatch character, despite the hokey Cockney accent. She's also not running through the warzone like some kind of unique hero, the trailer depicts groups of soldiers including her traversing it. If anything, it's the player character POV that does the most running around the warzone by themselves heroically in the trailer, including a moment where he magically guns down a passing plane.
In the end there is zero reason to accuse this trailer, and consequently the game, the devs, and the publisher, of being "woke" based on this trailer unless the "woke" part is that is has a woman (or prosthetics, but I haven't heard of anyone calling them woke).
To clarify, I’m not arguing the game is “woke”. I agree with your points, people absolutely were taking issue with a woman being in the trailer.
Maybe my concern was with seeing this over the top character being thrown in and me instantly associating it with micro transactions to customize your character. “Look at what you can buy! Face paint! Quirky Accents!”
Oh yes, I understood you weren't suggesting that. I was just expanding on my earlier thoughts really.
But the cosmetics were definitely a very real concern, yes. The game did have quite a bit of MTX and EA is still trying to GaaS Battlefield now, including their most recently stated goals for the next entry.
I don't really mind them not having an Eastern front. I don't mind a lot of things about 5, I played it a ton.
I do mind that they finally started to get the game 'on track' gave us like one set of more historically accurate skins, and then basically and unceremoniously dropped all support after pushing out the quite average PUBG knock off mode.
yeah, no Eastern front is fine if the rest of the game is great... but it wasn't. it was just starting to get good and then oops DICE needs to work on bf2042 now sorry guys!
Still would have liked a Khalkin Gol map or something in the continuation war but really I just want the game to have more content of any kind.
As somebody who didn't get super deep into it I saw a few problems with 2042.
BFV as an example had decent post launch support. It was criticized for not having enough content but they added to it with free updates over time which kept the game going along, but eventually cut it off bc the game wasn't grabbing much of an audience.
I don't know what they mean about "the last few" though. I actually found Battlefield 3 and 4 the least appealing and most disappointing with how they changed from BFBC2. BF Hardline barely counts, BF1 was really fun imo and BFV, after some updates, was a good time.
Admittedly though I'm not someone playing these games for hundreds and hundreds of hours. I love the oldest games the most (BF1942, Vietnam, and to a lesser extent BF2).
I skipped out on BF2042 initially because I didn't like the direction they were going, but my man it did not die, it maybe have been in critical condition for a while but a few months ago it came up on the Xbox game pass and I gave it a shot and was blown away. It's nothing like the initial reviews said.
Current state 2042 is a return to form, it reminds me a lot of BF4 but with the Operators special abilities it allows you to not just exist as an infantryman on a vehicle heavy map but, with some skills, to dominate. They recently released Reclaimed which is a homage to Zavod and it's lots of fun.
I honestly haven't had this much fun in BF since Bad Company 2. The only sad thing is that just as they found their footing it's clear they are moving resources on to the next title.
I actually only played it when it was added to Game Pass as well and I was still not super impressed with it, but I agree it was better than the initial reviews indicated. I just didn't see any reason to stick with it.
BF2042 was awful from what I played of it when it wasn't rubberbanding to hell and back.
I thought it was fine from what I played. It just wasn't enough to draw me in to play it longer term... which to he honest is a very hard sell even for a good game. I have a 1 year old and I don't really play a lot of MP games because I don't really wanna spend my gaming time on playing 1 game endlessly when I could play a bunch of other different stuff instead.
Even before that I didn't play a lot of MP games for many years, but I got really into Halo Infinite when it came out. I just stopped playing it because baby.
Battlefield 4 is 10 years old, hardly a recent game. A lot of people didn't like 1 and 5 for various reasons, I personally don't like the early world war setting, its just not fun for me.
I wonder if they’re saying this now because Battlebit is so incredibly popular.
"Truly connected ecosystem"
What the hell does that even mean? I'm so sick of all this corporate PR talk and underdelivering of the game industry as a whole. I miss when games were made by small, passionate groups of people and not some amorphous capitalist corporate blob chasing the new trends, trying to be the next Hollywood.
I don't know, I guess I'm just getting old. None of this crap even appeals to me, I'm clearly not the target audience anymore, yet it makes me so frustrated to see the direction the industry is going...
It means lots of microtransactions and game mechanics designed to addict instead of be fun.
It means there's gonna be a smartphone app that tells you how many deaths you could've racked up if you were playing Metro instead of going to work or hanging out with friends.
And the smartphone app will give you a push notification every time your battlefield stamina is recharged so you can unlock sprint again or something.
"Truly connected ecosystem" does not give me hype.
This tells me that the new Battlefield will have some pay to win GaaS bullshit, will flop as a result of said bullshit, then EA will do their usual ritual of dragging the failing development studio that made this mess out back and pumping it full of buckshot like an injured race horse.
In other words, DICE's days are numbered.
I just watched Old Yeller and now I am going to cry again.
Yeah, weren't they pedaling that same sort of shit with BF2042 with the connected era stuff or whatever it was? I think EA and Dice are just no longer capable of making a no string attached Battlefield game. I wouldn't be surprised if the next one also tanks and goes below BattleBit in player count.
Maan, done well I think that could be pretty darn righteous! Kind of like Planetside?
Isn’t that kinda what Warzone is? Giant maps, mini-missions, skirmishes.
"reimagination of Battlefield as a truly connected ecosystem"
How about they start by reimagining Battlefield as a game, like it used to be?
That sounds like an awful, live service game.
There's about 20 years worth of feedback on video games including ones developed by them over the years.
Yet not a single time do they "recapture" instead of "revolutionizing" or "reimagining" their IP.
How hard can it be to make a good game, with so much market analysis and history.
Well the bar's in hell given 2042 so improvements should be easy