11 votes

Why games are too big

11 comments

  1. [2]
    NullEmotion
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    Disclaimer: My opinion probably isn't valid since I am not a "gamer" (I can barely manage to play for 2-4 hours a week tops), I like a really small subset of games (roguelikes) and the only big...

    Disclaimer: My opinion probably isn't valid since I am not a "gamer" (I can barely manage to play for 2-4 hours a week tops), I like a really small subset of games (roguelikes) and the only big AAA game that has managed to make me addicted is Fallout 4. My brother gifted me a Xbox Series X that I rarely turn on and is nothing more than a dedicated FO4 machine. To make matters even worse, I haven't played BG3 nor do I intend to.

    But I actually believe it's a great time for games. There are great games that are not graphical masterpieces such as Dwarf Fortress or Rimworld that are huge when it comes to gameplay. Other games have neither great graphics or complex gameplay, yet are still incredibly addictive, such as Slay the Spire, Stardew Valley, Brotato or FTL.

    I am not a AAA gamer, but, even after watching the video, I fail to see how BG3 setting a new standard is really harmful. If you don't have a huge budget, it's okay to focus on "cheaper but more time consuming" things such as gameplay and balance instead of graphics or huge maps, you can make a great game and earn a lot of money without pandering to the "top of the line GPU gamer" anyway.

    The problem comes when big studios make a graphically intensive game, terribly optimised, and "huge" (as in maps) with little to no gameplay mechanics. And on top of that, adding a lot of DLCs and micro transactions. So I am okay with BG3 trying to push the "big budget" studios to do better.

    10 votes
    1. Fal
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      I think similarly to you, I think it's an incredible time for games. I think the video speaks to what you've said here: I think that he agrees that it's okay to make smaller, more focused titles;...

      I think similarly to you, I think it's an incredible time for games. I think the video speaks to what you've said here:

      If you don't have a huge budget, it's okay to focus on "cheaper but more time consuming" things such as gameplay and balance instead of graphics or huge maps, you can make a great game and earn a lot of money without pandering to the "top of the line GPU gamer" anyway.

      I think that he agrees that it's okay to make smaller, more focused titles; it's the kind of game that studios like Mimimi excel at. However, when publications like IGN make declarations along the lines of 'since Baldur's Gate is so big, there's no excuse for other studios,' that does seem to put pressure on studios to make bigger, longer games, even when it's to the detriment of the game and the studio, as seen in Mimimi's demise.

      I personally think that it's double sided; increased expectations does put more scrutiny on AAA studios who push out titles that are stuffed with padding, and rightfully so. However, without nuance, games that would not be improved by being bigger or longer could potentially receive undue criticism for their length.

      3 votes
  2. Fal
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    A video about expectations for games, partially in response to Baldur’s Gate 3 is causing some developers to panic which was discussed on Tildes a few months ago here. Touches on missing context...

    A video about expectations for games, partially in response to Baldur’s Gate 3 is causing some developers to panic which was discussed on Tildes a few months ago here. Touches on missing context in the IGN video.

    5 votes
  3. Nijuu
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    Thanks for the post. Had not heard of that YouTube Interesting I sights. Thought it was originally going to be about the actually size of the game ( not everyone can buy a new HD to play the...

    Thanks for the post. Had not heard of that YouTube
    Interesting I sights. Thought it was originally going to be about the actually size of the game ( not everyone can buy a new HD to play the latest CoD interation let alone BG3 (maybe 1 day...) But an interesting listen. I think many who have played Larians previous games know they had a lot of credit with many reasonable gamers who play their games before BG3 so chances BG3 would fail would be miniscule.. But then I have 0 ideas about their budgets etc...

    1 vote
  4. [7]
    GLaDYS
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    Stopped watching the video at 4 minutes, after the homophobic bit: Casual homophobia, but it's fine because they waved the ally card? F*ck you little twat.

    Stopped watching the video at 4 minutes, after the homophobic bit:

    it's boring, and gay, and I'm an ally but I don't like boring things

    Casual homophobia, but it's fine because they waved the ally card? F*ck you little twat.

    17 votes
    1. [4]
      Cycloneblaze
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      Not to uh, explain the joke but you're supposed to think he's going to say "ally but I don't like that gay stuff" and then it turns out he's actually boring-phobic

      Not to uh, explain the joke but you're supposed to think he's going to say "ally but I don't like that gay stuff" and then it turns out he's actually boring-phobic

      15 votes
      1. [3]
        GLaDYS
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        Thanks for explaining it to me that he's not a misguided ally, but a biggot intentionally doing a homophobic joke.

        Thanks for explaining it to me that he's not a misguided ally, but a biggot intentionally doing a homophobic joke.

        5 votes
        1. F13
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          Maybe you get it just fine, but it doesn't seem like a homophobic joke to me? If I said "This sandwich has pickles and is greasy, and I like grease, but I can't stand pickles" is that a...

          Maybe you get it just fine, but it doesn't seem like a homophobic joke to me? If I said "This sandwich has pickles and is greasy, and I like grease, but I can't stand pickles" is that a grease-phobic comment?

          10 votes
        2. Cycloneblaze
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          I don't read it as homophobic, but I'm also not gay. If you do I won't say that's not valid. It is using "gay" as a punchline, even if it's intentionally avoiding equating "gay" and "bad".

          I don't read it as homophobic, but I'm also not gay. If you do I won't say that's not valid. It is using "gay" as a punchline, even if it's intentionally avoiding equating "gay" and "bad".

          5 votes
    2. DrStone
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      He summarized all of the critical details that go into making these expansive games good that the original Twitter user Nelson brought up, how they compound and multiply quickly, supporting the...

      He summarized all of the critical details that go into making these expansive games good that the original Twitter user Nelson brought up, how they compound and multiply quickly, supporting the point he’s trying to make in the video. He finishes the segment by sarcastically dismissing all that as “boring, and gay” (clearly not because he thinks so) since that’s how the group he’s arguing against - the mob of capital-G Gamers and lazy games journalists - would stereotypically respond.

      5 votes
    3. Fal
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      This thread is going off-topic, but I'm curious why you find this homophobic? It seems to me, as others have mentioned, that any reading beyond surface level suggests that he is mocking people who...

      This thread is going off-topic, but I'm curious why you find this homophobic? It seems to me, as others have mentioned, that any reading beyond surface level suggests that he is mocking people who use 'gay' in such a way.

      3 votes