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Weekly game discussion 1: Call of Duty: Black Ops 4

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Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 features thrilling grounded multiplayer combat, three full zombies adventures at launch, and a massive battle royale experience.

Note: I couldn't find a proper description anywhere so I just grabbed the text from battle.net


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22 comments

  1. [3]
    thisonemakesyouthink
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    I decided to go with Black Ops 4 for the first discussion because it just came out and it was requested, but I think it might have been a mistake since it's just Call of Duty. What do you really...

    I decided to go with Black Ops 4 for the first discussion because it just came out and it was requested, but I think it might have been a mistake since it's just Call of Duty. What do you really expect? It's the same trash you played 10 other times but they decided to go with the trends this year and put in battle royale. And, from what I've heard, cut out the single player story because it just doesn't make them as much microtransaction money.

    I'm just not sure Call of Duty prompts new/original discussion anymore. By the way, @cain and @reapersgale were interested in this thread so I hope putting their name like that notifies them.

    5 votes
    1. [2]
      rickdg
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      So it's PUBG but with less latency and better performance?

      So it's PUBG but with less latency and better performance?

      1. thisonemakesyouthink
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        I mean, you're not exactly wrong but they also play completely differently

        I mean, you're not exactly wrong but they also play completely differently

  2. [5]
    cfabbro
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    I thoroughly enjoyed Black Ops 3 because of the futuristic setting, co-op campaign and amazingly fluid movement mechanics but just can't bring myself to get Black Ops 4. $75 (Canadian) for the...

    I thoroughly enjoyed Black Ops 3 because of the futuristic setting, co-op campaign and amazingly fluid movement mechanics but just can't bring myself to get Black Ops 4. $75 (Canadian) for the game + No single player campaign + Battle Royale (which I loathe as a game mode because of how slow paced and frustrating it is, spending X minutes waiting for the queue then Y minutes running around gearing up only to die in your first encounter and have to start all over again) = No thanks.

    p.s. Sorry I don't have much to add to the conversation other than complaints about the game. :P

    3 votes
    1. [3]
      thisonemakesyouthink
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      I don't hate battle royale. I don't personally play it, but I understand if people do. The problem is, the battle royale is more important than the campaign. I get it, it's the trend right now and...

      I don't hate battle royale. I don't personally play it, but I understand if people do. The problem is, the battle royale is more important than the campaign. I get it, it's the trend right now and you want money. But I don't see why that's reason enough for you to shaft fans who enjoy their alone time occasionally and maybe newcomers who would like to try out a campaign and maybe get familiar with the characters (since it was advertising something about returning characters).

      3 votes
      1. [2]
        cfabbro
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        Yeah, I certainly don't begrudge anyone who enjoys Battle Royale modes... but they are definitely not for me and I 100% agree with you about it being shitty that it took precedence over a single...

        Yeah, I certainly don't begrudge anyone who enjoys Battle Royale modes... but they are definitely not for me and I 100% agree with you about it being shitty that it took precedence over a single player mode.

        2 votes
        1. thisonemakesyouthink
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          Exactly. I think it's kind of tacky to go online and insult other people's taste in genres, it's just not nice when including one harms the singleplayer and long-term replayability of the game.

          Exactly. I think it's kind of tacky to go online and insult other people's taste in genres, it's just not nice when including one harms the singleplayer and long-term replayability of the game.

          3 votes
    2. Ptlyt
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      Disclaimer: Haven't played BO4 But, I will say that it is common in battle royal type games for there to be a learning curve. I remember the learning curve on H1Z1 wasn't the worst, but it did...

      Disclaimer: Haven't played BO4

      But, I will say that it is common in battle royal type games for there to be a learning curve. I remember the learning curve on H1Z1 wasn't the worst, but it did take at least 20 games to really get a feel for the mode. For fortnite, the learning curve for me was quite steep. Especially with building. With all new COD's there is the initial learning curve that everyone goes through getting used to a new game, and I personally think there might be a somewhat steep learning curve for this new mode. This is the first COD to incorporate BR and also the first COD to allow land and air vehicles. It's also worth noting that within these first few weeks there will no doubt be updates from the developer tweaking how the gameplay works.

      1 vote
  3. [3]
    ReapersGale
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    I purchased the game, played if for an afternoon and then refunded it; The Australian price of ~$90 for base game when a decent chunk of it is based on recycled content is fucking ridiculous. 1/3...

    I purchased the game, played if for an afternoon and then refunded it; The Australian price of ~$90 for base game when a decent chunk of it is based on recycled content is fucking ridiculous.

    1/3 of the maps are slight updates from Black ops 1
    Half the landmarks in BR are recycled assets from older games (eg. firing range, nuketown, etc)

    Campaign really seems like it was ditched in order to rush in the BR mode, it seems they had done some work on creating backstory for the operators and I likely would not have requested the refund if they have kept it as I have always enjoyed the CoD campaigns.

    Multiplayer seemed poorly balanced - I had better crossmap TTK with a starting SMG than I did the assault rifle and until more gear was unlocked the higher level players were very oppressive due to having access to better gear - outside of that the slower pace they've gone with makes it feel like titanfall without the mechs and fun movement mechanics.

    3 votes
    1. [2]
      thisonemakesyouthink
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      Yup, this game is a battle royale in a regular FPS costume. It's obvious that the game was scrapped because battle royale games were making the most money at the time, so they just poorly fitted...

      Yup, this game is a battle royale in a regular FPS costume. It's obvious that the game was scrapped because battle royale games were making the most money at the time, so they just poorly fitted other trash together while finishing up BR.

      1 vote
      1. ReapersGale
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        Pretty much - was so rushed that the micro-transactions were not even active at launch. I know that CoD has always been really similar year to year and I haven't really played one since Black Ops...

        Pretty much - was so rushed that the micro-transactions were not even active at launch.

        I know that CoD has always been really similar year to year and I haven't really played one since Black Ops 1 but from my prior experience there was a bunch of new content in the form of campaign and MP maps; but this just felt like I paid for 40% of a copy of BO1 with battle royale tacked on, if that's what anyone is after save yourself some money and buy a copy of BO1 and PUBG.

        3 votes
  4. Griddamus
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    I bought it yesterday, the first call of duty game I’ve bought since Black Ops 2. First impressions are positive. I bought it primarily for the zombies mode, but dabbled last night in the other...

    I bought it yesterday, the first call of duty game I’ve bought since Black Ops 2.

    First impressions are positive. I bought it primarily for the zombies mode, but dabbled last night in the other modes too.

    The normal multiplayer feels good (control being imho the best mode) in that the shooting is tight, responsive and largely how I remember it from 5ish years ago since I played the last one.

    The Battle Royale honestly feels like a bit of an unexpected result. I expected it to be crap as I got bored of PUBG after a few weeks and have tried multiple times to get into Fortnite but just don’t like it. The games are faster than both of its competitors, and subsequently feels fresh, and a little looser.

    The zombies is what I came for and is probably the best initial reaction I’ve had with any of the previous iterations I’d played. This I feel is largely due to the classes and abilities.

    Long story short, I feel the ability systems are a great addition to the formula and make the game feel fresh. First impressions are very positive, and it does feel that additional time that would have been spent developing the single player was spent on the rest of the game.

    3 votes
  5. [2]
    KapteinB
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    I haven't played this game, so I probably shouldn't be here discussing it. But I do have a few opinions I'd like to share, really more about the franchise in general (or maybe even about game...

    I haven't played this game, so I probably shouldn't be here discussing it. But I do have a few opinions I'd like to share, really more about the franchise in general (or maybe even about game franchises in general) than this particular instance.

    Like other yearly franchises, CoD gets a lot of hate for not innovating enough. Personally I think that's a virtue. The last CoD I bought was Black Ops 2, back in 2012. If I decide to buy Black Ops 4, what I expect is the same gameplay, but with better graphics, new maps, and a new game mode or two. If that's exactly what I get, I'll be a happy customer. If in the six years between those two games the franchise has morphed into something else, who knows if I'll like it or not?

    In this particular instance it's gotten some flak for jumping on the battle royale bandwagon. But again; I commend their decision! None of the CoD game modes (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong) were first introduced by this franchise. Other games have done team deathmatch, territory control, horde mode and the rest before CoD did, but in each case, this franchise has added its unique flair to each of them. Why not battle royale? I'm picturing in my head CoD battle royale, with a smaller map and fewer players than PUBG, no vehicles, regenerating health, players jumping out of the plane with their chosen loadout instead of scavenging for loot, and best of all; killstreak rewards. And in my head it looks awesome!

    Now before writing this I looked up some CoD battle royale gameplay, and I'm sad to say it just looks like he recorded himself playing PUBG and then played it back at double speed. I guess that might be what some are looking for, but to me it looks rather disappointing. Oh well, there's still Battlefield's battle royale to look forward to!

    3 votes
    1. thisonemakesyouthink
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      That's the problem though. You're buying the same game. When I buy a new game I expect a new game, not a reskinned clone of a game I already bought. Anyways, the problem with the battle royale...

      That's the problem though. You're buying the same game. When I buy a new game I expect a new game, not a reskinned clone of a game I already bought.

      Anyways, the problem with the battle royale isn't that it is in the game, it's that it's the only important part of the game to the team. It takes precedent over everything else, and that mean cutting the story.

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    ExaltedStarcopper
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    Told myself I wouldn't get it, but like every other COD game that comes out... I get talked into getting it by my friends. Doesn't matter because it was a blast! The gunplay is spectacular and...

    Told myself I wouldn't get it, but like every other COD game that comes out... I get talked into getting it by my friends. Doesn't matter because it was a blast!

    The gunplay is spectacular and just feels incredibly satisfying to get even a single hit. Character abilities in mp were well executed and didn't add too much cheese to the game, and kill streaks feel nostalgic.

    At this point, I really don't expect to be impressed by graphics, but damn does this game look good!

    Also the BR mode is spot on. I've played a fair amount of PUBG, and enjoy the concept of BR games though. Not a big fan of Fortnite though, but that's because for me, the gunplay is what makes it fun and also the builders in that game are godlike bullshit. BO4's gunplay translates very well into BR. Finding Perks as consumable items was a great call.

    Is it worth $60 though? Ehhhhhhhh idk.... If you're strapped for one game this month, then I'd wait to see how Red Dead does before buying in.

    3 votes
    1. thisonemakesyouthink
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      I don't know, I feel you have some good points but even if BR is good it's a slap on the face that they decided it's worth more than everything else because it makes more money right now, and I...

      I don't know, I feel you have some good points but even if BR is good it's a slap on the face that they decided it's worth more than everything else because it makes more money right now, and I personally think the graphics are just okay.

      1 vote
  7. [5]
    cain
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    I haven't picked it up yet, usually wait a few weeks for CoD to iron things out before I jump on it. The only CoD I've gotten significant playtime in since CoD MW3 was Black Ops 3 so I'm hoping...

    I haven't picked it up yet, usually wait a few weeks for CoD to iron things out before I jump on it.

    The only CoD I've gotten significant playtime in since CoD MW3 was Black Ops 3 so I'm hoping this one is right there with it when it comes to online play. I loved Blops 3 and got to like 5th prestige I think and only stoped because work got crazy for me at the time. I just loved the mechanics in BO3 with the sliding and jetpacks and wall running it was a blast and the camo and skins are always fun to grind for me.

    I've never been a huge BR fan so I'm not really all that interested in Blackout but I think its the PUBG killer for sure at least in North America from what I've seen.

    Zombies I've been watching admiralbahroo do the easter egg hunt and it looks great but once again not for me. I've been a CoD player for a while so I'm mostly just interested in the deathmatch type stuff here. Bugs are present but that's par for the course these days for games on release.

    2 votes
    1. cfabbro
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      Yeah the movement mechanics were definitely the absolute highlight of Blops 3 for me too. The multiplayer level design was also absolutely fantastic and helped the movement mechanics really shine,...

      Yeah the movement mechanics were definitely the absolute highlight of Blops 3 for me too. The multiplayer level design was also absolutely fantastic and helped the movement mechanics really shine, too. Lots of room for gaining advantages in combat by wall-running, sliding, jetpack elevation changes, etc. It felt like Titanfall but faster paced, with better weapons and without the clunky, OP mechs.

      2 votes
    2. [3]
      thisonemakesyouthink
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      Have you tried Titanfall 2? It sounds like exactly what you're after. I personally loved it, and I have to admit I'm a bit partial to the future setting. I think it allows game designers to be...

      Have you tried Titanfall 2? It sounds like exactly what you're after. I personally loved it, and I have to admit I'm a bit partial to the future setting. I think it allows game designers to be more creative and have more freedom without fear of pissing people off due to inaccuracies. Plus it's just cool as shit to play. Though, I can still understand why some people are upset with CoD sticking to the future all the time rather than exploring something else.

      Now, I only have a few minutes of time from playing the beta but unfortunately I don't believe the game has wall running and sliding, but I do believe it has some interesting items like grappling hooks and drones and maybe some type of jetpack if you're lucky?

      1 vote
      1. [2]
        cain
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        I never tried titanfall, but have heard great things. I am not sure I'd be interested in the big giant mech suits honestly I just prefer people without vehicles/suits adding to the chaos.

        I never tried titanfall, but have heard great things. I am not sure I'd be interested in the big giant mech suits honestly I just prefer people without vehicles/suits adding to the chaos.

        2 votes
        1. thisonemakesyouthink
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          That's fair. There is a pilots vs pilots mode, and if you want you can just jump out of your titan whenever and set it to guard something or follow you.

          That's fair. There is a pilots vs pilots mode, and if you want you can just jump out of your titan whenever and set it to guard something or follow you.

  8. somewaffles
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    The only COD games I've played since MW2 have been the last BLOPs and now this one. Judging by this thread, I'm the only one enjoying it, not sure what everyone expected. The multiplayer is fast...

    The only COD games I've played since MW2 have been the last BLOPs and now this one. Judging by this thread, I'm the only one enjoying it, not sure what everyone expected. The multiplayer is fast paced and fun, the zombies is as in depth as ever. And the battle royal is certainly battle royal-ly enough. I used my roomates xbox to play PUBG and it really just feels like a better version of that. I'm already pretty burnt out of BR but it's still enjoyable. The whole game is pretty polished, albeit kinda crappy looking on console. My biggest complaint that it crashes at least once a session which can be very frustrating. All-in-all I dont knwo if I would advise someone to pay full price for the game. I think once it hits $30 on sale it is certainly worth it considering they will have fixed all the bugs. There is a lot of content and if you're familiar with COD games you already know what to expect. I can see long time fans being kind of put off because it really is more of the same without all the cool futuristic wall running and stuff of 3. Luckily I don't dabble with COD too often so it's a pretty fun game that will hold me and my buddies over until battlefield V drops.

    1 vote