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Weekly coronavirus-related chat, questions, and minor updates - week of November 29

This thread is posted weekly, and is intended as a place for more-casual discussion of the coronavirus and questions/updates that may not warrant their own dedicated topics. Tell us about what the situation is like where you live!

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  1. cfabbro
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    Some recent COVID related satire from The Beaverton: Unvaccinated Toronto Police officers on unpaid leave told that if they wanted paid leave they should have shot somebody Fake doctors take brave...
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  2. spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Missouri health department found mask mandates work, but didn’t make findings public

    Missouri health department found mask mandates work, but didn’t make findings public

    The comparison showed infection rates in “masked” jurisdictions were higher than the rest of the state in the six weeks prior to the emergence of the delta variant. Case rates then fell below other regions as the surge gathered force in late May and have remained lower since that time.

    The statewide data shows that, from the end of April to the end of October, jurisdictions with mask mandates experienced an average of 15.8 cases per day for every 100,000 residents compared to 21.7 cases per day for every 100,000 residents in unmasked communities.

    Missouri is by no means an outlier in terms of lacking a statewide mask policy or discouraging local governments from creating their own; Missouri is one of six states that never implemented a statewide mask mandate during the pandemic.

    But Missouri's decision not to release public health data showing a demonstrable difference in COVID-19 infection and death in masked communities is notable and reflects the deep political polarization surrounding pandemic policies, one expert said.

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    eladnarra
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    I'm really not enjoying seeing people getting sick with Omicron despite boosters. I know vaccines are meant to prevent severe cases and hospitalizations, yadda yadda, but some of us are...

    I'm really not enjoying seeing people getting sick with Omicron despite boosters. I know vaccines are meant to prevent severe cases and hospitalizations, yadda yadda, but some of us are chronically ill/disabled and want to avoid getting it altogether because even a mild case may affect us long-term... :(

    How are other folks handling the swinging between "yay we're vaccinated/boosted" and "oh no here comes Delta/Omicron"?

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      cfabbro
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      Frustrated and depressed. When the vaccines first started getting approved and produced it felt like there was finally a light at the end of the tunnel. But between all the idiots refusing to get...

      How are other folks handling the swinging between "yay we're vaccinated/boosted" and "oh no here comes Delta/Omicron"?

      Frustrated and depressed. When the vaccines first started getting approved and produced it felt like there was finally a light at the end of the tunnel. But between all the idiots refusing to get vaccinated, and even going so far as protesting against healthcare worker providing them to others, and now all the mutations starting to pop up, I am honestly starting to lose hope that COVID is ever going to be contained, let alone eradicated.

      Don't get me wrong, I will continue to heed public health officials advice, get my required boosters + any new vaccines developed to fight resistant variants, and push hard for my friends+family to do the same. However, at this point I think we're just going to have to accept that COVID and its variants are here to stay, and a significant portion of our populations are lost causes who will continue to believe conspiratorial nonsense, ignore public health officials, and endanger us all by clogging up hospitals when they inevitably get sick. At least until they all finally get COVID or one of its variants themselves, and learn the error of their ways by either barely surviving it, or dying.

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      1. eladnarra
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        Yeah, frustrated and depressed pretty much covers it for me. I had a brief time (before the CDC stopped telling people to mask and Delta appeared) when I could do more, but now I'm back to...

        Yeah, frustrated and depressed pretty much covers it for me. I had a brief time (before the CDC stopped telling people to mask and Delta appeared) when I could do more, but now I'm back to relative isolation. Ah well...

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    2. skybrian
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      We had a very nice trip to see my wife's relatives in Los Angeles for Thanksgiving. The weather made it great for outdoor gathering and activities. The Christmas trip to New York is looking iffy,...

      We had a very nice trip to see my wife's relatives in Los Angeles for Thanksgiving. The weather made it great for outdoor gathering and activities.

      The Christmas trip to New York is looking iffy, though it's only close family. It's not just the air travel, but what will we do when we're there?

      I was hoping Omnicron wouldn't have spread much by then, but even without it, there are already signs the US is starting its fifth wave. The charts on the Washington Post look bad for many states.

      California isn't that bad yet, so around here I'm thinking of this as the calm before the next wave. It seems like a good time to get a haircut or do other stuff like that, because things will likely get worse if you wait.

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  4. skybrian
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    Tracking COVID-19 variant Omicron This page (which they say they will keep updating) has counts of confirmed and probable Omicron cases in each country. 22 countries so far.

    Tracking COVID-19 variant Omicron

    This page (which they say they will keep updating) has counts of confirmed and probable Omicron cases in each country. 22 countries so far.

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    cfabbro
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    Omicron variant may have picked up a piece of common-cold virus

    Omicron variant may have picked up a piece of common-cold virus

    The Omicron variant of the virus that causes COVID-19 likely acquired at least one of its mutations by picking up a snippet of genetic material from another virus - possibly one that causes the common cold - present in the same infected cells, according to researchers.

    This genetic sequence does not appear in any earlier versions of the coronavirus, called SARS-CoV-2, but is ubiquitous in many other viruses including those that cause the common cold, and also in the human genome, researchers said.

    By inserting this particular snippet into itself, Omicron might be making itself look "more human," which would help it evade attack by the human immune system, said Venky Soundararajan of Cambridge, Massachusetts-based data analytics firm nference, who led the study posted on Thursday on the website OSF Preprints.

    This could mean the virus transmits more easily, while only causing mild or asymptomatic disease. Scientists do not yet know whether Omicron is more infectious than other variants, whether it causes more severe disease or whether it will overtake Delta as the most prevalent variant. It may take several weeks to get answers to these questions.

    Cells in the lungs and in the gastrointestinal system can harbor SARS-CoV-2 and common-cold coronaviruses simultaneously, according to earlier studies. Such co-infection sets the scene for viral recombination, a process in which two different viruses in the same host cell interact while making copies of themselves, generating new copies that have some genetic material from both "parents."

    This new mutation could have first occurred in a person infected with both pathogens when a version of SARS-CoV-2 picked up the genetic sequence from the other virus, Soundararajan and colleagues said in the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed.

    The same genetic sequence appears many times in one of the coronaviruses that causes colds in people - known as HCoV-229E - and in the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) that causes AIDS, Soundararajan said.

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    1. Omnicrola
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      Wow, that sounds like something straight out of a sci-fi novel. I had no idea viruses could recombine like that.

      This new mutation could have first occurred in a person infected with both pathogens when a version of SARS-CoV-2 picked up the genetic sequence from the other virus,

      Wow, that sounds like something straight out of a sci-fi novel. I had no idea viruses could recombine like that.

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    cfabbro
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    Parents knowingly send COVID-positive child to class, forcing 75 NorCal students into quarantine ಠ_ಠ
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      kfwyre
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      I’d say about twice a week I send a student to the nurse who looks or sounds truly awful. When I ask them why they came to school, the answer is almost always “My mom/dad told me I had to go”....

      I’d say about twice a week I send a student to the nurse who looks or sounds truly awful. When I ask them why they came to school, the answer is almost always “My mom/dad told me I had to go”. Some even add “they told me not to go to the nurse”.

      I’m partially sympathetic, as I know a lot of parents don’t have sick time or child care lined up at a moment’s notice, but mostly I’m just frustrated. Sending kids to school sick was something that always happened even before COVID, but the stakes are much higher now, and I can no longer look at it as anything other than irresponsible or selfish behavior that puts me and others in harm’s way. At this point I’m pretty much numb to the idea that I’m likely exposed to COVID on a daily basis (to say nothing of other transmissible diseases). I used to get a PCR test weekly but stopped after I got my booster. Now I just take a rapid test if I feel anything or if I’m going to be around other people.

      The kids are fed up too, by the way. The last time I sent someone down who was very clearly ill, The students seated near them were openly complaining about how all of them were going to have to quarantine and might get sick.

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        skybrian
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        I'm thinking we underrate the importance of school as daycare, a need that doesn't go away when kids are sick. Could this be done safely? I wonder what boarding schools do?

        I'm thinking we underrate the importance of school as daycare, a need that doesn't go away when kids are sick. Could this be done safely? I wonder what boarding schools do?

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        1. kfwyre
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          Yeah, COVID really highlighted how schools are essentially nationalized childcare. We're not really equipped to deal with illness though. Schools often only have a single nurse for 100s of...

          Yeah, COVID really highlighted how schools are essentially nationalized childcare. We're not really equipped to deal with illness though. Schools often only have a single nurse for 100s of students, and they're usually very limited in what they can do for students or provide them. The responsibility for sick kids basically bounces back to parents, many of whom can't adequately manage that need due to lack of other childcare options or inability to take off work. Of course, there are also many parents who could but simply choose not to, which are the ones I'm mainly frustrated with. Many of my students remain unvaccinated, for example, and they've been eligible for pshots for quite a while now.

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          spit-evil-olive-tips
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          this is a solved problem. except, the US has rejected the solution: you offer paid sick leave to all workers and you allow taking sick leave not just if the worker is sick, but if their children...

          this is a solved problem. except, the US has rejected the solution:

          you offer paid sick leave to all workers

          and you allow taking sick leave not just if the worker is sick, but if their children are sick as well.

          and then it's feasible to actually enforce "don't send your kids to school if they're sick" because it's always possible to have a caregiver at home.

          state-level paid sick leave, such as here in WA, typically takes this into account.

          Washington's Family Care Act allows workers to use their choice of any paid leave they have earned while caring for qualifying family members with a serious health condition, or to care for a child with a serious health condition.

          and the proposed federal law for paid sick leave also took this into consideration. but it'll never pass, because the US is allergic to the idea of paid leave:

          Congress is now considering four weeks of paid family and medical leave, down from the 12 weeks that were initially proposed in the Democrats’ spending plan. If the plan becomes law, the United States will no longer be one of six countries in the world — and the only rich country — without any form of national paid leave.

          But it would still be an outlier. Of the 186 countries that offer paid leave for new mothers, only one, Eswatini (once called Swaziland), offers fewer than four weeks. Of the 174 countries that offer paid leave for a personal health problem, just 26 offer four weeks or fewer, according to data from the World Policy Analysis Center at the University of California, Los Angeles.

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            skybrian
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            "Sick leave is the answer" implies that, when child care plans fall through, a parent is always the backup. Maybe that assumption should be questioned. Why don't parents get backup?

            "Sick leave is the answer" implies that, when child care plans fall through, a parent is always the backup. Maybe that assumption should be questioned. Why don't parents get backup?

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            1. spit-evil-olive-tips
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              a parent should always have the option of staying home with their sick kid. if the parent wants backup, if it's a severe illness they can always take the kid to the hospital. if it's a mild...

              a parent should always have the option of staying home with their sick kid.

              if the parent wants backup, if it's a severe illness they can always take the kid to the hospital.

              if it's a mild illness, not worth hospitalization, but the parent wants backup, and extended family isn't available, that would be the role of a home health aide.

              so we should make home health aides more affordable / accessible, as part of a paid sick leave / universal healthcare law? I could certainly get behind that.

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  7. cfabbro
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    Canada - Unvaccinated travellers over the age of 12 barred from planes and trains as of today

    Canada - Unvaccinated travellers over the age of 12 barred from planes and trains as of today

    Unvaccinated travellers over the age of 12 won't be able to board a plane or passenger train in Canada beginning today, and a negative COVID-19 test will no longer serve as a substitute for most people.

    The policy came into effect on Oct. 30, but the federal government allowed a short transition period for unvaccinated travellers who could board as long as they provided a negative molecular COVID-19 test taken within 72 hours before their trip.

    The stringent new requirement comes into effect as Canada reacts to the emergence of the new, highly mutated omicron variant of the coronavirus.

    While anyone coming into Canada or boarding a plane or train inside the country must be vaccinated, there are currently no quarantine measures in place except for people who have recently transited through southern Africa.

    While many airlines have so far been doing random spot checks to ensure travellers are vaccinated, Air Canada and West Jet have confirmed they will ask for proof from everyone boarding in Canada as of today.

    The government has issued warnings on social media that even Canadians and permanent residents abroad will not be able to return home and skip quarantine without a full slate of approved vaccines.

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  8. cfabbro
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    Pentagon denies Oklahoma governor's request and insists National Guard members must be vaccinated

    Pentagon denies Oklahoma governor's request and insists National Guard members must be vaccinated

    Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin denied a request from Oklahoma's governor to exempt his state's National Guard members from the Pentagon's Covid-19 vaccine mandate.

    Austin emphasized that the vaccine mandate is a lawful order that promotes "the health, safety and readiness of our military personnel, regardless of duty status" in the letter, which CNN obtained a copy of.

    But Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt didn't appear ready to back down. In response to Austin's letter, a spokesman for Stitt said the governor "appreciates" the letter but "maintains his position that the governor is commander in chief for all members of the Oklahoma National Guard while they are on" state orders.

    Stitt ordered Brig. Gen. Thomas Mancino, the newly appointed head of the Oklahoma National Guard, not to enforce the vaccine mandate. Mancino, who acknowledged it put him in an awkward situation, said that under state orders, his commander was the governor. But he also said that if the guard were called up under federal orders, called Title 10, he would enforce the vaccine requirement.

    A defense official who briefed reporters on the issue said that members of a National Guard unit, even under state orders, called Title 32, are still required to meet federal mission requirements, including medical requirements such as vaccine mandates.

    Guard members who refuse to get vaccinated risk losing their status in the National Guard and the federal pay that comes as part of training, drills and more.

    Both Title 32 and Title 10 are paid for by the federal government, not the states.

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  9. skybrian
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    5 Omicron Cases Confirmed In Alameda County (California) […] Looks like it’s currently at 38 in the US.

    5 Omicron Cases Confirmed In Alameda County (California)

    The patients, said to be mildly symptomatic, were among 12 COVID cases linked to a Nov. 27 wedding in Wisconsin, which one person attended after traveling internationally.

    […]

    A state lab used genomic sequencing to identify the five East Bay cases. The sequencing has not been completed for all 12 cases.

    The 12 people, all of whom had been vaccinated and most of whom had received boosters, are between the ages of 18 and 49. One lives in Berkeley, and the rest are from elsewhere in Alameda County.

    Looks like it’s currently at 38 in the US.

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    cfabbro
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    First confirmed US case of Omicron coronavirus variant detected in California

    First confirmed US case of Omicron coronavirus variant detected in California

    In a White House news briefing, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said the case was in an individual who traveled from South Africa on November 22 -- before travel restrictions were in place -- and tested positive for Covid-19 on November 29.

    That individual, Fauci said, is self-quarantining and close contacts have tested negative for the coronavirus so far.

    The person was fully vaccinated and is experiencing "mild symptoms, which are improving at this point," Fauci said. Dr. Grant Colfax, San Francisco's director of public health, said the person had not had a booster shot.

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    1. skybrian
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      From the Washington Post article:

      From the Washington Post article:

      The person had received a second vaccine dose in August and had not yet reached the six-month mark to become eligible for a booster, according to a state health official briefed on the case. The individual — who is between the ages of 18 and 49, according to San Francisco’s health department — has mild symptoms that are improving and is in self-isolation. Genetic sequencing was performed by the University of California at San Francisco and confirmed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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  11. cfabbro
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    Survivors of severe COVID-19—especially those younger than 65 years—may be at more than twice the risk of dying within the next year than those who had mild or moderate illness or were never infected

    Survivors of severe COVID-19—especially those younger than 65 years—may be at more than twice the risk of dying within the next year than those who had mild or moderate illness or were never infected

    Survivors of severe COVID-19—especially those younger than 65 years—may be at more than twice the risk of dying within the next year than those who had mild or moderate illness or were never infected, finds a study today in Frontiers in Medicine.

    Another finding of the analysis of electronic health records of 13,638 patients who tested positive or negative for COVID-19 is that only 20% of those who had severe COVID-19 (requiring hospitalization) and died did so because of complications of their infection, such as abnormal blood clotting, respiratory failure, or cardiovascular problems.

    Rather, 80% were due to different reasons typically considered unrelated to COVID-19.

    "Since these deaths were not for a direct COVID-19 cause of death among these patients who have recovered from the initial episode of COVID-19, this data suggests that the biological insult from COVID-19 and physiological stress from COVID-19 is significant," wrote the University of Florida at Gainesville researchers.

    Patients younger than 65 at triple the risk

    Of all patients, 178 had severe COVID-19, while 246 were mildly or moderately ill, and the rest tested negative. Among all patients, 2,686 died within 12 months of their COVID-19 diagnosis.

    Relative to uninfected patients, those recovered from severe COVID-19 younger than 65 years had a 233% increased risk of dying in the next year. The increased risk was greater than that of survivors of severe COVID-19 who were 65 or older.

    The authors noted that the deaths observed in the study often occurred long after the patients had recovered from their infection; thus, their families and physicians may never have linked the two events.

    Patients' overall health likely declined

    The finding that most deaths were not due to COVID-19 complications suggests that the health of these patients had declined since their initial diagnosis, leaving them susceptible to different medical conditions, the researchers wrote.

    The results also underscore the importance of reducing the chances of severe disease through vaccination, said lead author Arch Mainous III, PhD, of the University of Florida, in a Frontiers news release.

    "Taking your chances and hoping for successful treatment in the hospital doesn't convey the full picture of the impact of COVID-19," he said. "Our recommendation at this point is to use preventive measures, such as vaccination, to prevent severe episodes of COVID-19."

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    skybrian
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    All 53,000 attendees of Anime NYC urged to get tested after one got Omicron

    All 53,000 attendees of Anime NYC urged to get tested after one got Omicron

    Omicron is the new coronavirus variant whose first known US case made the news only yesterday, but is now also identified in California, Minnesota, Colorado and New York State as well, less than a week after being classified by the World Health Organization. Several fully vaccinated people have tested positive. In a press conference today, New York governor Kathy Hochul said her state alone now has five confirmed omicron cases, and NYC mayor Bill de Blasio warned New Yorkers that they should assume there’s community spread. Hochul suggested that so far, all the US cases of the omicron variant have been minor, with very light symptoms; the man who attended Anime NYC has reportedly already recovered.

    The man is from Minnesota; the Minnesota Department of Health says he had already been vaccinated, and developed mild symptoms the day after the convention. He hadn’t been outside the United States recently, according to The New York Times, suggesting he may have gotten it at the convention.

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    1. skybrian
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      Omicron Scare Haunts 53,000 NYC Anime Convention Attendees […]

      Omicron Scare Haunts 53,000 NYC Anime Convention Attendees

      Event organizers said they confirmed with health officials that they adequately followed state and local guidance: Attendees over age 12 were required to show proof of vaccination and younger fans had to show proof of a negative test. But the event drew 7,000 more people than the last gathering in 2019, adding to crowding issues and lack of controls at certain points.

      On the first day, attendees say they stood for as long as three hours in the cold to get inside. At one point, the line fell apart and people began running toward the entrance, resulting in convention goers pressed “really, really close against other people,” said Ash Sze, a 20-year-old Tufts University student.

      Jollette Merino was there with her husband, trying to hold on tightly to her two young sons.

      “Being pushed and being squished in that crowd, all you could think about is, ‘Okay, if this person does happen to be sick and they’re breathing on me, or they happen to cough or sneeze while we’re in the close vicinity, that is going to be crazy because it’s definitely going to be spreading Covid,’” the 31-year-old said. Her sons are seven and 10 years old and weren’t yet vaccinated.

      […]

      Williams said she had to leave one of the most sought-after events of the convention due to overcrowding. She arrived three hours early to snag a spot at the premiere of the 1000th episode of One Piece, a popular anime show, but guards had already closed off the screening room and a mass of people had started to form.

      “As I was standing there, I remember it just got denser and denser, and it started getting really uncomfortable and really hot, too,” Williams said. “The people around me didn’t have masks and we were basically -- they were breathing down my neck because that’s how close everyone was.”

      After about an hour she said, “I felt so trapped that I had to push everyone aside.” She left without being able to see the showing. She tested negative after the event.

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  13. skybrian
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    Omicron outbreak at Norway Christmas party is biggest outside S. Africa, authorities say

    Omicron outbreak at Norway Christmas party is biggest outside S. Africa, authorities say

    At least 13 people in Oslo have been infected with the omicron variant of the coronavirus following a corporate Christmas party described as a “super spreader event,” and their numbers could rise to over 60 cases, authorities said on Friday.

    The outbreak took place at a Christmas party on Nov. 26 organized by renewable energy company Scatec, which has operations in South Africa where the variant was first detected.

    “This party has been a super spreader event,” Preben Aavitsland, a senior physician at the Norwegian Institute of Public Health, told Reuters by email.

    “Our working hypothesis is that at least half of the 120 participants were infected with the omicron variant during the party. This makes this, for now, the largest omicron outbreak outside South Africa.”

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