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New York midwife fined for giving 1,500 children homeopathic pellets instead of vaccines

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  1. [3]
    unkz
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    And she didn’t even lose her license? She should be in prison.

    And she didn’t even lose her license? She should be in prison.

    47 votes
    1. DanBC
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      In general, there's a high evidentiary threshold for criminal conviction ("beyond all reasonable doubt") and so if a person is convicted in a criminal court it makes it easier for the regulator to...

      In general, there's a high evidentiary threshold for criminal conviction ("beyond all reasonable doubt") and so if a person is convicted in a criminal court it makes it easier for the regulator to take action - they can say "you were convicted, we accept that conviction, so we don't need to run our own findings of fact" and they can move directly onto what action they're going to take.

      The regulators tend to work to different (civil, not criminal) evidentiary threshold (preponderance of evidence / balance of probabilities) so it's possible for a person to be found not guilty at criminal trial, and then go to the regulatory hearing where they run their own finding of fact and decide it happened, and then take their action. This is why they wait until after the criminal conviction has happened.

      It's a weirdly tricky balance of giving the health care professional the right to justice (which is upheld in international human rights law) while protecting patients and the public from on-going harms.

      9 votes
  2. DanBC
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    It's important to remember that while the principle of homeopathy means there's no active ingredients in the pellets the manufacturing controls are so lax they can be chock full of dangerous...

    It's important to remember that while the principle of homeopathy means there's no active ingredients in the pellets the manufacturing controls are so lax they can be chock full of dangerous levels of active ingredient.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hundreds-of-babies-harmed-by-homeopathic-remedies-families-say/

    In 2010, however, FDA inspectors who examined Hyland’s facilities criticized the company for substandard manufacturing practices and found inconsistent levels of atropa belladonna in its products.

    The agency issued a public warning, noting “reports of serious adverse events in children taking this product that are consistent with belladonna toxicity.”

    The company reformulated the products, and took existing product off the shelf. But problems kept happening and so

    Several weeks ago, on Jan. 27 [2017], the FDA issued another warning, saying that laboratory analysis of Hyland’s teething tablets found levels of belladonna “sometimes far exceeding the amount claimed on the label.” The agency warned consumers not to use the products and to seek medical care immediately if their child has seizures, difficulty breathing, lethargy, muscle weakness, or other problems after using homeopathic teething products.

    The best outcome is that she gave them nothing but sugar pills and they can be vaccinated correctly.

    23 votes
  3. devilized
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    Did I read this correctly that the parents all knew about this, and sought this person out to falsify their kids vaccination records so that they could go to schools without actually being...

    Did I read this correctly that the parents all knew about this, and sought this person out to falsify their kids vaccination records so that they could go to schools without actually being vaccinated? IMO, the parents should be sharing in some of this punishment, not just the midwife.

    18 votes
  4. [6]
    chocobean
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    Before anyone thinks midwifery = crack medicine, this is one horrible person amidst thousands of normal midwives, and apparently being a doctor doesn't grant perfect immunity either. My guess is...

    "It is the hope that the recent news stories concerning one NYS midwife will not detract from the vital work that over a thousand NYS midwives are doing every day," it added.

    Although Breen's penalty is a first in New York, a California doctor was arrested in 2021 for falsifying Covid vaccination records after administering similar homeopathic pellets.

    Before anyone thinks midwifery = crack medicine, this is one horrible person amidst thousands of normal midwives, and apparently being a doctor doesn't grant perfect immunity either. My guess is that being the Shining Star Special So Smart outlier of your profession, and having thousands and thousands of people come beg you for "alternatives" is intoxicating as well as lucrative.

    15 votes
    1. [5]
      Omnicrola
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      This is what got me. The fine was $300,000 and she apparently has paid half and intends to pay the rest of and just "move on". I don't know what midwifery pays, but I have even less sympathy for...

      is intoxicating as well as lucrative

      This is what got me. The fine was $300,000 and she apparently has paid half and intends to pay the rest of and just "move on".

      "She paid the fine, entered into the stipulation of settlement and intends to fully comply with the requirements of the agreement. From her perspective, this matter is over, done with, and closed and she is now moving on with her life,"

      I don't know what midwifery pays, but I have even less sympathy for an anti-vax quack who made enough money that they have $300k just "lying around" that they can pay a fine like that and just move on with their life.

      10 votes
      1. [4]
        kingofsnake
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        Another poster made the point that there's a huge market out there for 'alternatives' and I'm sure that as a registered midwife, capitalizing on the market for that is lucrative business. I'm...

        Another poster made the point that there's a huge market out there for 'alternatives' and I'm sure that as a registered midwife, capitalizing on the market for that is lucrative business. I'm frankly not surprised that advantage was taken.

        2 votes
        1. [3]
          tanglisha
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          Is midwifery considered alternative medicine? The one my sister in law got was an RN.

          Is midwifery considered alternative medicine? The one my sister in law got was an RN.

          1. boxer_dogs_dance
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            In the US, some midwives work closely with doctors and some supervise home births. But just like Dr Oz is a doctor, a midwife might recommend and sell woo treatments

            In the US, some midwives work closely with doctors and some supervise home births.

            But just like Dr Oz is a doctor, a midwife might recommend and sell woo treatments

            4 votes
          2. kingofsnake
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            It's not - midwives in my province are covered by public health - but they're the apple of the alternative medicine world's eye, for sure.

            It's not - midwives in my province are covered by public health - but they're the apple of the alternative medicine world's eye, for sure.

            1 vote