Cargobike recommendations and advice
My wife and I had a baby a few months ago and we learned that you can put a carseat in the front of a front load cargo bike starting at 3 months. I was already keen for a cargo bike, as was my wife, so we're taking the dive. There are a few common brands available in the USA, namely Urban Arrow, Omnium, and Harry vs Larry's Bullit Bike, and while those are still in contention we're currently in Munich and considering buying one and getting it home. Lots context on what we're thinking and doing and then to questions.
I was able to test drive the Muli Classic and the Carrie from Riese and Muller as representatives of shorter bikes, and we're considering the Load from Riese and Muller, the Loven's s75, the Urban Arrow Family, and the Bakfietz.nl Cruiser. We also rented the Lovens for the month we're here and pick it up today.
Ok, so we have a few questions on our plate. Do we go compact cargobike - like a Muli - or do we go for the full family van - like a Lovens or Urban Arrow? Within those categories are there any considerations we need to be mindful of like repairability? Our concern is that the Bafang engine is loved by all but seemingly hard to get parts for stateside. Whereas Bosch or Shimano would be easier. Could we rock a non-electric version like the Muli Muscle, or is that impractical?
I've been able to talk to a few owners and everyone loves the bike they have. The Muli guys love the Muli. The Lovens moms love the Lovens. It's great signal that cargobikes generally work well for the people interested in them, but not much as to which way we should go.
Last is context on what we hope to do and what we want to use it for. I'd love to go down to a 1 car family. We live within 6 blocks of all our core needs - grocery store, hardware store, pharmacy, repair places - and within .5 miles of our main recreation areas - the forest and the beach - so largely we're set walking. But there are so many great things that are just outside that area, within about 10 miles, that a cargobike would be great to have - parks, larger stores, everything really. And our Costco is about 500 feet off the main municipal bike trail so I would Looooooove to do my Costco runs on the bike. We also have one kiddo and there will likely be a second. I'm going to be getting a shotgun seat for my normal townie and mountain bikes for when the kids are old enough, but I'd also really love to be able to ferry them to school, have their friends join us, and make it the primary transport until for the family. Our friends in town have a street legal golf cart and I'd love to do something similar with the cargo bike. There is some possibility that we end up with 2, like a Muli and a Lovens, but with storage space that is currently very impractical. Also we live up a hill - about 150ft elevation gain over 5 blocks - from the main trail that connects us to the surrounding towns. We live a weird place where our pennisula is bisected by a military base and golf course so that is literally the only way to access any of the other surrounding towns. Also I'm currently a deep memeber of the Surly gang and am finding myself drawn to bikes like that - probably why the Muli keeps coming up on here - but realize that may be a foolish way to choose a family cargo bike. Also the price range is fairly steep $5-10k, so I'm trying to be level headed about it.
I'd love to hear about your experiences with cargobikes: what you rode, what you loved, what you'd skip. If you have friends or family who have indulged. Or just any thoughts really! I realize it's a small group that owns them so any info helps!
Hi! I saw the title of your post while on my phone on the couch, read the first paragraph or so and jumped up and ran to the computer. I love talking about my bike!
I have an Urban Arrow Family, circa 2024 (not the newer model that seems sleek as hell). For me, a new bike was just always going to be better than the old 1990s steel frame road bike I had from college, pulling an old burley trailer. I used that bike, with a front/handlebar mount, for my first kid through babyhood before getting the trailer when they were old enough for it. The new Urban Arrow was purchased the week our second kid was born. We only have one small car, and bought the bike instead of another car. I waited until she was about 2.5 months old to put her in a NUNA car seat, with the car seat adapter. She's 16 months now, and today I hit 2,000 miles on the bike. The other kid is 5 years old right now.
We bike year round, in Minneapolis Minnesota. I have snow tires with the spikes, and getting those swapped in the fall and spring is my twice annual visit to the bike shop where they just check things over. I bike about every day, through the winter as well, though this last winter I took a month long break during our federal occupation. The bike does well in the snow on the streets, though you definitely move a bit slower out of caution. It's nice not having a chain or exposed derailleur, instead just a belt drive with internal shimano hub. But, the belt did break on one winter day. Both shops I engaged with (one was closer to me, the other was where I bought the bike) were flabbergasted, and the belt manufacturer called me for details, because apparently that very rarely happens so they wanted the details. It was under warranty and everything was fixed up once the new belt arrived.
We also have the rain cover for the bucket, so I've strung up little battery powered fairy lights inside to give some extra light during the winter. Then I bundle the kids up and pile a puffy blanket on them. I've never heard complaints about cold. The baby, about 9-12 months old at this point, frequently got her naps done in the bike and frequently was left outside in the bike in front of a coffee shop to finish up a nap while I got some hot brew. The "cafe lock" on the back wheel is excellent for this purpose.
I'm going to switch to bullet points otherwise this will be a novel. These are the points I bring up when talking to people about it, which happens several times a week-- people ask and I'm chatty about it:
Urban Arrow points
General points about e-bikes:
Extra Bits
closing
I recommend bikes. I recommend e-bikes. I recommend cargo ebikes. I recommend a bakfiets (front bucket). Our urban arrow has been good, but I'm sure they all are nice. One knock against it is that it is big. For us, in a single stall garage, it barely fits with our small car. But it does fit, and if we had bought another car we definitely would not have had enough room for both cars. We don't pay for gas. Or car repairs. We do pay for bike insurance to cover theft, but that's <$200 year.
The tagline I always tell people who ask about cost: "It's a very expensive bike, but a very cheap car".
Happy to answer questions!
What an amazing write up!!! I really appreciate you pouring so much thought and detail into it! It's easy to imagine the fun we'll be having from the way you describe it! I'm definitely going to be stealing all the little touches like the sting lights and the Wonderboom. i've got more to noodle on here but feeling very confident with our choice to invest! Thank you so much!
Also, I'd love to hear more about the Schleptastic Tow Monster once you have some miles using it. Sounds like the perfect option as the kiddos get older.
Calling out @gpl and @DynamoSunshirt specifically based on the recent bike thread and Dynamo's wealth of knowledge with biking - I'm guessing there is cargo knowledge in there too ;). Cheers!
I used the Aventon Abound for a few years. My kids loved it. I loved it. I never had issues, the battery life and range was great, and it felt stable. It's not a front load bike though.
Sounds like any way you can get them rolling is perfect! We might switch over to a backloader after the baby stage but TBD on how we like the front loader!
I used two variants of cargo bike when my son was smaller. First was an old mountain bike with a Crust Clydesdale fork on the front and a kid seat bolted to the back. Second was essentially a bigger version of the same thing, a Dutch Workcycles FR8. Neither were electric.
I found they were good for up to maybe half of your ten mile range, beyond that I would probably want the electric push. I loved the mountain bike set-up and have retained that just for me and hated the Workcycles - overbuilt to the point of perversity and heaviness and geometry that suits Dutch people lolling about, not people that ride bikes normally. It did the job though and it was better than getting in the car. Both of these were a fraction of the cost of what you're looking at.
Probably the only lesson for you from the above is that you can choose basically anything and as long as you can fit what you need and achieve the distance you need you'll be fine. All of the options you've outlined would work, pick the cheapest that puts you in the position you like to ride in and doesn't feel like a battleship. Given you ride a surly I'd be surprised if you like the riding position of anything Dutch. Bullits on the other hand have a good rep in this regard.
Finally, yes, cargo bikes work so well when you have little kids, you aren't wrong about that impression. For most things, much better than a car.
And from what I heard, also much more fun for the kids.
Yep, the car got complaints, bike never did.
Great call outs all around. The main issue here we're trying to solve for it that this will be shared by me and my wife. She wants a step through so unless we have a major shift after trialing, that's likely what we'll get. We also need a bigger frontend specifically to mount the carseat, so not necessarily one of the land boats, but at least something with enough room for that.
I've heard the Bullit is the "bikers bike", sounds like the muli is similar, though it felt twitchy as hell when I rode it. The other ones do feel much more like seadoos, not in a bad way though.
Be wary of over emphasising the initial need for a car seat, that's only necessary for the first year (or less?), at which point you can move to a kid seat. That initial time is swamped by the time after. We put up with a trailer for the earlier period.
these are obviously much nicer bikes lol, but we did very well with a bright orange radwagon until everyone was too big for it
Careful of radwagon though, they went through bankruptcy after a big recall due to batteries catching fire. Happened to an old college friend of mine.
Just a quick web search now tells me they were acquired and are maybe back to making bikes again, so maybe newer models will be better....but you may find older ones heavily discounted online with potential issues.
I'd go for a back loader but we need the front end cargo bike for the carseat mounts. When they are older the world is our oyster!
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you feeling alright there man?