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The Circassian genocide, Russian Empire's systematic mass murder, ethnic cleansing and expulsion of 95–97% of the Circassians, resulting in 1 to 1.5 million deaths during the Russo-Circassian War

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  1. [7]
    sparksbet
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    I get posting links to news articles or opinion pieces without commentary when you don't have anything worthwhile to add, but posting Wikipedia articles without commentary seems exceptionally low...

    I get posting links to news articles or opinion pieces without commentary when you don't have anything worthwhile to add, but posting Wikipedia articles without commentary seems exceptionally low effort for Tildes.

    27 votes
    1. [4]
      kjw
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      Well, I like reading Wikipedia from time to time, especially about historical events. Haha, I remember reading about some battle of Rome vs Carthagine and ended up reading half Sunday about...

      Well, I like reading Wikipedia from time to time, especially about historical events. Haha, I remember reading about some battle of Rome vs Carthagine and ended up reading half Sunday about Byzantine Empire xD
      I thought there are some people here that also like reading interesting stuff just for the sake of reading and curiosity.

      16 votes
      1. [2]
        Hobofarmer
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        I do too, but I also feel that having at least a submission statement, guiding questions, or some point of view to comment on would help foster discussion.

        I do too, but I also feel that having at least a submission statement, guiding questions, or some point of view to comment on would help foster discussion.

        21 votes
        1. kjw
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          It's just for the sake of knowledge. It's in 'history' category, just an interesting read. How is it different to somebody posting uninteresting news article without any commentary? Also, it got...

          It's just for the sake of knowledge. It's in 'history' category, just an interesting read. How is it different to somebody posting uninteresting news article without any commentary? Also, it got some upvotes, so looks like some people appreciated this article.

          2 votes
      2. sparksbet
        Link Parent
        I'm not against reading the occasional Wikipedia article myself, but I think you shouldn't post one without a comment providing context about why you find the article interesting or worth reading.

        I'm not against reading the occasional Wikipedia article myself, but I think you shouldn't post one without a comment providing context about why you find the article interesting or worth reading.

        12 votes
    2. [2]
      hungariantoast
      Link Parent
      Yeah, some Wikipedia articles are so weird, unique, and interesting that I think they could merit their own posts, but most of them aren't. Sometimes there's a meta-Wikipedia article about some...

      Yeah, some Wikipedia articles are so weird, unique, and interesting that I think they could merit their own posts, but most of them aren't. Sometimes there's a meta-Wikipedia article about some news or update that's worth posting. Like when the desktop version of Wikipedia got an official dark mode back in July:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dark_mode

      That probably would have been worth posting, just edit the title a bit to make the reason apparent.

      (That article was actually posted way back in September 2023 when the desktop dark mode was introduced as an experimental gadget. The recent dark mode news got posted as a TechCrunch article instead.)

      For the typical Wikipedia article though, there has historically been a soft rule against posting those:

      https://tildes.net/~tildes/lpj/what_do_we_think_about_posting_wikipedia_articles_to_tildes#comment-4knv

      I generally don't like it, and have previously discouraged it (and even removed them in some cases). Here's a comment I posted on one that I removed last year:

      Please don't just submit a random Wikipedia article with no context. If you'd like to start a discussion about something in the article, consider making a text post explaining what you find interesting about it, so that people have something to go off.

      I know that this is something that people do regularly on Hacker News, but I don't think it's a good behavior to emulate. It's the equivalent of old forum posts like: "Giraffes. Discuss." It's not an effective way to get a conversation started.

      But if you check how many Wikipedia articles have been posted since then, you'll see why I called the rule "soft". Aside from the rule not being written down anywhere (nor am I convinced it should be), a lot of Wikipedia articles have since been posted and not removed. I'm not going to take the time to count how many of those are someone purely posting a Wikipedia article and giving zero context, but you can click through and quickly find one or two.


      Personally, I don't really mind people posting Wikipedia articles without context, but I also get why sometimes posts like that get removed.

      So, if you're looking for a point to this comment, I don't have one! I just like digging up old Tildes lore.

      15 votes
      1. kjw
        Link Parent
        Cool, thanks for this lesson on Tildes' history! I love history, sometimes I find myself on Wikipedia just reading about some facts, battles, events, people etc., that's why I put this link to...

        Cool, thanks for this lesson on Tildes' history! I love history, sometimes I find myself on Wikipedia just reading about some facts, battles, events, people etc., that's why I put this link to humanities.history. That's why all these tags exist, to let others filter out uninteresting article/category of articles.

        One can post a news article about an event without commentary, how is it different to another one posting a history article (Wikipedia in this case) about an event without commentary? To be honest, many of links people post on Tildes I find very uninteresting, and most often they are news articles.

        Maybe it's just me, but I love the idea of clicking on a random Wikipedia article and if I find it interesting I want to share what I've read. And also, regarding history, I don't really have any opinion about events, facts, for me it's just interesting knowledge.

        1 vote