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Queerbaiting - exploitation or a sign of progress?

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    BuckeyeSundae
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    I couldn't care less about some artist using and highlighting an LGBT+ relationship in their art. In fact, I'd like for more people to do that. When an artist sings a song, they are not...

    I couldn't care less about some artist using and highlighting an LGBT+ relationship in their art. In fact, I'd like for more people to do that. When an artist sings a song, they are not necessarily the narrator of that song so the Ariana Grande criticism in particular rings really far off. Some songs are very much inspired by her life, and other songs aren't so much, but all of her songs have a narrator who isn't necessarily Ariana.

    I get where the concern is coming from. No one wants to feel like someone else's puppet or poster child. But it gets into a counter-productive space really quickly to try to adjudicate who can and can't integrate rainbow explicit stories into their art. I do not believe that you have to be part of a group to respectfully represent that group in your work. Treating us like people is enough.

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      cptcobalt
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      I came here looking for this comment. I want more LGBT friendly content, and tend to pick things where there is some sort of LGBT representation, even queer bating. I'm waiting for the day where...

      I couldn't care less about some artist using and highlighting an LGBT+ relationship in their art. In fact, I'd like for more people to do that.

      I came here looking for this comment. I want more LGBT friendly content, and tend to pick things where there is some sort of LGBT representation, even queer bating.

      I'm waiting for the day where there can be LGBT representation in media, and yet their sexuality can be the least interesting thing about them. We're not there yet.

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      1. Akir
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        There are a few examples of this happening. ParaNorman is one such example.

        I'm waiting for the day where there can be LGBT representation in media, and yet their sexuality can be the least interesting thing about them. We're not there yet.

        There are a few examples of this happening. ParaNorman is one such example.

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  2. kfwyre
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    Ten years ago we were having the same conversation about Katy Perry's "I Kissed a Girl." Five years before that it was about Britney and Madonna's kiss at the VMA's. This is a bit of a take, but I...

    Ten years ago we were having the same conversation about Katy Perry's "I Kissed a Girl." Five years before that it was about Britney and Madonna's kiss at the VMA's.

    This is a bit of a take, but I think the lesson here isn't that we should draw a line at commodification of queerness but instead that one of the things that makes pop pop is that it's fundamentally a commodification in the first place. If it's not commercializing love, it's doing it for party culture, heartbreak, or any other human experience with wide resonance.

    It doesn't mean there can't be artistry or authorship, but it does mean that those are secondary to economic interests. I say this not as a criticism of pop music (I'm a fan!) but a contextualization for the fact that we shouldn't demand nor seek genuine self-expression from heavily commericalized output. Doing so puts our expectations for human experiences in the hands of people who want to make money off of them, which is an unhealthy and exploitable imbalance.

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  3. Gaywallet
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    Since when does the subject of art have to be the artist? Even if it is supposed to be drawn from their life, can it not be an acknowledgement of the fluidity of sexuality? I know plenty of...

    Since when does the subject of art have to be the artist?

    Even if it is supposed to be drawn from their life, can it not be an acknowledgement of the fluidity of sexuality? I know plenty of straight people who have gay actor/actress crushes, or crushes on specific people that make them question how straight they are.

    3 votes