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How do I combat the "women need safe spaces" argument?
(I am trans-inclusive. I believe trans rights are human rights. I believe in self-identification. I will use whatever pronouns someone choose, and I try not to assume pronouns.)
In the UK recently there's been a bit of a debate between trans-phobic "gender critical" feminists who say that for sexual safety women need spaces that are women only, and that this means they need to exclude trans-people.
I think this is bullshit. I'd like some good quality arguments to use against this.
What are your ideas?
There's a tool that I got taught as a Business Analyst. I already knew about it, because I already use it everywhere in life, but it was helpful for someone else to put a nice short label to it. It's called "The 5 WHYs" The idea is that you start with an initial problem, and ask someone "Why?" When they give you an explanation, you pick the key point out of that explanation, and ask "Why?" You repeat this 5 times. By the time you've got to the 5th "Why?" (or possibly earlier), you'll have learned the true root cause of the problem.
If you apply the 5 Whys to people's personal opinions (in any field), it can be quite revealing. If you apply the 5 Whys to these women who claim they need safe spaces that exclude transgender women, you'll eventually get to the root cause of their objection, and it will be that transgender women are not really women. It's as simple, and as complex, as that.
However these women present their arguments on the surface, using logic or rationality or reason, the underlying justification is a rejection of transgender people. You can't argue against that. It's not rational or reasonable or logical. You can present arguments, but your correspondents won't accept them. You can't use logic against emotion: it's like using a sword to fight a wave of water. It's the wrong tool for the job.
To build on this point, if you're going to argue, you should argue against the root cause of their objection.
Imagine their bigotry as a tree, with one of the outermost branches the claim that "women need safe spaces because transwomen rape women." You can swat this branch away, breaking through with a "ciswomen rape women too" counter. But when you strike that branch, another one is just going to fill the void. You need to chop at the trunk if you want to cut through their bigotry. Don't assert that ciswomen are just as dangerous as transwomen; assert that transwomen are women.
That's a great analogy!
The argument has been doing the rounds in the UK for a while now, I think Shaun's video on the subject still holds up for this particular argument. Algernon's comment is a valuable insight but unfortunately you might find yourself in a situation where somebody clearly isn't being cooperative or is trying to publicly fearmonger rather than engage in an actual discussion.
I don't know how comfortable you are with the idea of engaging with bad faith actors, but if you are you'd probably come out best pointing out that the practical implications of these demands would limit access to Safe Spaces for cis women or discourage them from seeking them out at all, because it would require highly invasive "checks" to limit entry. They would effectively be throwing women as a whole under the bus just to assuage their personal fears.
To go back to Shaun's points there are a couple of reasons as to why creating spaces exclusive to cis women on the basis of their biological sex you run into some really awkward problems:
A lot of anti-trans arguments seem like recycled anti-gay arguments. I remember similar arguments against gay men and women predators sharing bathrooms with straight people, though I don't remember any catchy counter-arguments besides the observation that present gay acceptance hasn't lead to an epidemic of cases like that.
Genuine question: have there been cases of sexual assault where the victim is a female cis female-bodied person and the aggressor was a female trans male-bodied person?
There's a prominent case in the UK of Karen White, and this keeps getting used in discussion over here. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/karen-white-how-manipulative-and-controlling-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison
So one transgender woman is being used to judge all transgender women.
Turn this around. Say that because this one cisgender woman committed rape, all cisgender women should be treated as potential rapists.
Wait for the inevitable response of "But she's just one woman! She doesn't represent all women!"
Then say "And Karen White is just one transgender woman. She doesn't represent all transgender women."
If they continue to argue, they're never going to be convinced because their argument isn't coming from logic, it's coming from emotion (disgust or fear).
That's actually a pretty slick turnaround, and I definitely agree with you that if it doesn't convince them then nothing probably will. After a certain point you just have to consider it a lost cause, unfortunately... even if the person you are arguing with is family. :/
Thank you. I pride myself on knowing how to expose other people's illogic using sneaky debating tricks. Or, as I also like to call it, cutting through the bullshit. :)