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Poland's crusade against abortion investigates miscarriages, tests blood for evidence of abortion pills, created a national pregnancy registry

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  1. [4]
    boxer_dogs_dance
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    When abortion is banned, every miscarriage and stillbirth becomes a potential crime scene, and Poland is taking its already dystopian anti-abortion surveillance state to the next level. Poland created a national pregnancy registry in June 2022 and recently had police search the sewers for a fetus to try and prove a woman lied about having a miscarriage. In that case, the police collected her underwear, scissors she used to cut the umbilical cord, and blood from her floor for the investigation. They even wanted to funnel the contents of her home’s septic tank, but cleaners refused. Police claimed the woman lost her pregnancy “as a result of criminal actions” and prosecutors opened proceedings against her, only to drop them months later.

    46 votes
    1. [3]
      flowerdance
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      Jesus what the fuck...

      Jesus what the fuck...

      18 votes
      1. [2]
        vord
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        Welcome to the future USA if the conservative christians get their way.

        Welcome to the future USA if the conservative christians get their way.

        20 votes
        1. FeminalPanda
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          Yeah, already happening in a few states

          Yeah, already happening in a few states

          11 votes
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    DefinitelyNotAFae
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    It's just absolutely terrifying to have a uterus.

    It's just absolutely terrifying to have a uterus.

    24 votes
    1. [5]
      boxer_dogs_dance
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      Have you read or seen Aristophanes play Lysistrata? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata But yes having a uterus and especially being fertile right now is very scary. That's reality. I am...

      Have you read or seen Aristophanes play Lysistrata? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata

      But yes having a uterus and especially being fertile right now is very scary. That's reality. I am thankfully past menopause but I remember how terrifying unplanned pregnancy was even with abortion as a straightforward accessible legal option.

      I was about to quote Frodo ' I wish it had not happened in my time' and I started to weep and ugly cry. Quotes are too easy, even ones with emotional weight like this one. Here is a saying from history. It only takes one side to start a war. And wars are tragic and horrible for all sides. To step away from metaphor into literal truth, the people pushing these policies want to harm us and enslave us. No joke. No lie. Fact. The burden is on us and our allies to fight and resist as best we can whether we want to or not or we could easily lose what the suffragettes and later activists gained for us.

      There are many historical examples of brave and effective and savvy women who stood up for what they believed in both overtly and covertly.

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      1. [4]
        DefinitelyNotAFae
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        I'm familiar with it, but not convinced it is much the useful lesson. In the same way that a general strike sounds great but is practically complicated a women's "strike" wouldn't do nearly so...

        I'm familiar with it, but not convinced it is much the useful lesson. In the same way that a general strike sounds great but is practically complicated a women's "strike" wouldn't do nearly so much to harm men as folks think.

        I'm safe here, as a non-binary-ish woman in a state with legal protections. But there feels very little that can be done to make a difference, especially seeing the global trends. I'm not one to be rallied on the best of days and this isn't that.

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        1. [3]
          boxer_dogs_dance
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          The reference was partly a joke, but the point is not to harm men but to draw attention to women's dissatisfaction in a way that is difficult to ignore. There are other tactics available. As for...

          The reference was partly a joke, but the point is not to harm men but to draw attention to women's dissatisfaction in a way that is difficult to ignore. There are other tactics available.

          As for the rallying, we are talking to semi-familiar strangers here and can't know how others will respond to any statement, regardless of our intent. I hope you will forgive if I offended. The problem is real, the need is great, every statement here is both for OP and for a broader audience.

          Movements for social change fail without numerous active participants who are creative and persistent. Each person decides how much or little they can contribute. Some people give money. Some protest. Some publicize. In these days, some smuggle women across borders. Reddit responded to the Dobbs decision by publicizing the Auntie network. Some lobby congress. I hope everyone votes. IMHO now is a good time to read about the suffragettes, Gandhi's drive to liberate India, the US civil rights movement, the partisans who fought Hitler. I'm currently reading a memoir of Lyudmilla Pavlichenko the russian WWII sniper who spent years on the front line after her country was invaded.

          People who appreciated the Handmaids Tale might also appreciate Hans Fallada's novel Alone in Berlin.

          6 votes
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            DefinitelyNotAFae
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            I definitely did not take offense, just that I don't find it motivating. Mostly I'm just exhausted and spend so much of my time and energy on my day to days that between that and the general...

            I definitely did not take offense, just that I don't find it motivating. Mostly I'm just exhausted and spend so much of my time and energy on my day to days that between that and the general malaise I don't have anything left.

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            1. boxer_dogs_dance
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              That is more than fair and I wish you better health and more energy. We all do what we can, when we can.

              That is more than fair and I wish you better health and more energy. We all do what we can, when we can.

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    Oslypsis
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    Holy shit. Idek what to say anymore.

    Holy shit. Idek what to say anymore.

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    1. boxer_dogs_dance
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      This kind of thing is why we need to resist encroachments on abortion rights to the extent possible, wherever we are. See also the history of how communist Romania treated women re abortion....

      This kind of thing is why we need to resist encroachments on abortion rights to the extent possible, wherever we are.

      See also the history of how communist Romania treated women re abortion. https://themessenger.com/grid/romanias-communist-era-abortion-ban-harmed-hundreds-of-thousands-of-children-is-history-repeating-itself

      23 votes
    2. FarraigePlaisteach
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      Neither do I, but I do find myself rethinking our holiday plans there.

      Neither do I, but I do find myself rethinking our holiday plans there.

      7 votes