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Why are gender pay gaps so large in Japan and South Korea?

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  1. skybrian
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    From the blog post: … … … … … … (At first I thought this would make sense for ~life.women but it’s about both women and men, so ~life it is.)

    From the blog post:

    Lifetime employment is the major, structural difference between East Asia’s tigers. During Japan’s economic miracle, company managers soothed labour unrest by rewarding both white collar and blue collar workers with career paths and job protection. This same system was adopted in Korea.

    Given soaring productivity and double digit growth, large firms were confident in continued labour demand. Workers were hired, trained, then stayed till retirement. To maximise output, employees are expected to work extremely long hours, while also accepting re-assignment to new locations.

    Commitment is rewarded by seniority pay - for years of service rather than productivity. Quid pro quo: work hard and you’ll be rewarded later. The wage premium for continued work in the same company is highest in Korea and Japan.

    Initially, some Japanese firms prohibited women from taking their entrance exams. From the mid-1980s, they experienced labour shortages, so increasingly incorporated women - but only as menial underlings.

    Companies created distinct career paths. Men are on the career track (sōgōshoku); women are assigned the ‘dead-end clerical track’ (ippan shoku in Japanese). Destined to servitude, women are largely denied positions of responsibility. Personnel officers openly say that women are uncommitted or incapable.

    Disrespect and discrimination loom large. Japanese and Korean women often feel pressured to quit upon marriage. Korean and Japanese wives typically become non-regular workers, where their earnings are 40% lower and lack benefits (like company pensions).

    Lifetime employment generates a unique tension: employers want to heavily invest in workers’ skills, maximise working hours, while deterring exit. Seniority pay incentivises workers to stay, but promises of increments in twenty years time provide little solace to workers who are already exhausted.

    Male discontent generates a profound problem for corporations modelled on lifetime commitment, heavy investment and seniority pay. While shorter work hours would help, this has not occurred. East Asian firms have sought to maintain global competitiveness through ultra long hours.

    Now you see how this all fits together. South Korean and Japanese corporations have placated disgruntled men by entrenching patriarchy. If women were treated as equals that would be polluting, it would undermine men’s self respect and work commitment. Why give your life to a company that treats you like a mere woman?

    Company men’s egos continue to be pampered after hours. Japanese firms allocated 5% of their operating budgets to nights out with charming hostesses. Masculine pleasure is corporate strategy.

    Singapore, Hong Kong and Taiwan (‘SHKT’) never had these systems of seniority pay. Workers were simply rewarded with basic wages and productivity bonuses. SMEs didn’t heavily invest in their workers nor expect lifetime commitment. Firms did not need to secure unwavering loyalty. This systematic difference mediated their incorporation of women.

    In the 1960s and 1970s, gender divisions of labour were broadly similar across East Asia. Women predominated in low paid work and exited upon marriage. Motherhood was central to their identities. By the 1980s, demand for skilled male labour was outpacing supply. Given high female education, low fertility and sky-high productivity, it became profitable to recruit and retain women. While SHKT firms were indubitably sexist, they didn’t face the same challenge of placating low-status men.

    The rise of respected, networked and wealthy women has increased their electoral competitiveness. Gender quotas were adopted in Taiwan after feminist lobbying. Women now comprise 42% of legislators. Once in power, Taiwanese women sponsor more bills and favour women’s interests. President Tsai Ing-wen was not only re-elected in 2020, but has also achieved a high approval rating (73%). She is the only female Asian head of state who is not from a political dynasty. Over in Singapore, the People’s Action Party introduced a quota to appeal to women voters. Since the 1990s, feminist coalitions have successfully overturned discriminatory laws. Attitudes are rapidly converging with Europe and North America.

    (At first I thought this would make sense for ~life.women but it’s about both women and men, so ~life it is.)

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    chocobean
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    This paragraph early on in the article explained the "why" better than its latter hypothesis about lifetime jobs for men: In SHKT, profit-driven economic trends pushed women's rights forward, but...

    This paragraph early on in the article explained the "why" better than its latter hypothesis about lifetime jobs for men:

    Japanese businesses have lobbied against legislative change, even refusing sexual harassment training. Courts routinely deny systematic discrimination. Employers cannot even be sued for sexual harassment. Employees can only ask the Ministry of Labour for mediation. Accusations of abuse are mostly ignored.

    In SHKT, profit-driven economic trends pushed women's rights forward, but not Japan or SK:

    By the 1980s, demand for skilled male labour was outpacing supply. Given high female education, low fertility and sky-high productivity, it became profitable to recruit and retain women.

    Why not? Do companies in Japan and SK uniquely lose money when they hire women somehow? Japanese and Korean women are highly educated and have extremely low fertility and are undeniably hard working as well: they don't even need lifetime positions or good pay to work super hard and yet are underutilized.

    Gender quotas were adopted in Taiwan after feminist lobbying. Women now comprise 42% of legislators

    The article also cited the protest in Cambridge, and let's not forget the suffregettes.

    I don't believe taking things away from bottom up, such as abolishing lifetime careers for men, would make anything better. Hammering the younger men who are already at the edge and have no power is what give rise to incels: see SK last election. It has to start at the very top: make the highest powers accountable to gender equality and you'll see the effect spread downwards through the generation.

    In HK things aren't totally 50-50 still, but I believe we made huge progress since 1800s by (1) having an Empress Dowager (2) living under the prosperous monarchy of our "boss lady", QEII*, (3) seeing "traditional" powers like the Qing dynasty, local warlords, local triad gangs, corrupt thuggish police force, be toppled and/or reformed one by one. There's still the old village patriarchies that hold a lot of power, but with extremely low fertility (lower than JP and SK) they'll be going away soon as well.

    It must come from the top down and paired with hope for the younger men to participate. The author cited her alma Mata's Clough Gate protest, but it needs to be remembered that it was in response to a vote that was put forward by those much more powerful than them, and that at the time the future was looking absolutely brilliant for these young male allies. Women aren't going to get more by making demands only from the lowest level, and we aren't going to get allies from young men when we're divided and so busy fighting for our own survival.

    Getting back to my first paragraph: when JP decides to get serious, they'll do something about the laws and the rest should follow - there's more than enough support from the bottom up that's been going nowhere.


    /* May your majesty's memory be eternal

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    1. chocobean
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      Self reply: also worth mentioning that Audrey Tang pictured in the article is an extremely talented and remarkable person, and the position of Minister of digital affairs was basically created in...

      Self reply: also worth mentioning that Audrey Tang pictured in the article is an extremely talented and remarkable person, and the position of Minister of digital affairs was basically created in order for president Tsai to retain her talents. I personally think every country should begin to have a department of digital affairs.

      Audrey Tang, the country's digital minister, and Asia's first transgender Cabinet member. "I feel blessed that I do not face any discrimination whatsoever in Taiwan," said Tang, a software engineer, and a celebrity, whose mission is to protect Taiwan's internet from Chinese cyberattacks – or an invasion. "Ensuring proper communication infrastructure, including the local resilience of the public cloud providers like Google, Microsoft, Amazon, in Taiwan, that is our highest priority," said Tang.

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taiwan-and-the-threat-of-china/

      Her celebrity status is a very fun topic :) normal netizens can sometimes "summon the phoenix" (her chosen Chinese name is phoenix) in regular conversations, and even at the oddest hours there's a chance she'll actually jump in and respond :D

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