Stories about Amazon are always so universally appalling, and Bezos actions so unapologetic evil that it rivals comic book villains. At this point I've grown tired of sophisticated analysis into...
Stories about Amazon are always so universally appalling, and Bezos actions so unapologetic evil that it rivals comic book villains. At this point I've grown tired of sophisticated analysis into something that is very clearly more a moral issue than a systemic one. The actions of this individual are unparalled and entirely unacceptable by any dignified point of view, and the fact that Bezzos and his demented supporters remain victorious in face of justice, dignity, and human rights instills in me an unhealthy pessimism that is hard to shake off.
It is a systemic problem, though. It has nothing to do with Bezos—though I'm sure he's not a particularly pleasant person—but with the systems that enable, encourage, and allow such behaviour. We...
It is a systemic problem, though. It has nothing to do with Bezos—though I'm sure he's not a particularly pleasant person—but with the systems that enable, encourage, and allow such behaviour. We must view corporations and their acts not as manifestations of people's decisions, but as a moral entities that act of their own volition; influenced by people, yes, but nevertheless existing beyond them.
Other corporations aren't better; they're just smaller or spend less money on press. For example: Foxconn, a company notably contracted by Apple (among many other companies) for manufacturing, installed netting outside its windows, because people were jumping through them.
instills in me an unhealthy pessimism that is hard to shake off
But I as a simple human being need someone to pay for this and not be told that it's a much larger issue we need to confront before these fucking assholes can be held accountable (and are long...
It is a systemic problem, though. It has nothing to do with Bezos—though I'm sure he's not a particularly pleasant person—but with the systems that enable, encourage, and allow such behaviour. We must view corporations and their acts not as manifestations of people's decisions, but as a moral entities that act of their own volition; influenced by people, yes, but nevertheless existing beyond them.
But I as a simple human being need someone to pay for this and not be told that it's a much larger issue we need to confront before these fucking assholes can be held accountable (and are long gone by that time btw). It's not about revenge it's about sending a (well deserved) signal that our society rejects this way of using each other. In my mind we can't change the system and still let these fuckers be around while we do it. Sometimes this feels like if the West held the German people hostage and accountable after WW2 except Hitler because...you know there must be an underlying bigger issue here we need to address before we can be sure he's also an asshole.
I don't know how to put this more clearly... It's not that people aren't culpable, it's that it's not meaningful to talk about the actions of specific people when discussing these issues. Think...
I don't know how to put this more clearly...
It's not that people aren't culpable, it's that it's not meaningful to talk about the actions of specific people when discussing these issues.
Think about a cancerous tumour. The origin of any tumour is a single mutated cell, and in some sense it's the fault of that cell that you have cancer. And yet, it doesn't really matter. That cell might be dead now, for all we know. What's to blame for the fact that you have cancer is a fundamental flaw in multicellular organism biology.
Germany in WW2 is another great example. It would be ludicrous to say that Hitler isn't a terrible person—of course. But the reason that Germany happened as it did has nothing to do with Hitler, and everything to do with a general economic (and hence sociopolitical) instability. By the same token, the reason WW3 didn't happen isn't that Hitler died and his henchmen were imprisoned. It's that the Allies economically rehabilitated Germany and Japan after WW2, getting rid of the vacuum that could only be filled by Hitler's type of extremism.
sending a (well deserved) signal that our society rejects this way of using each other
Well, yes. But that still has nothing to do with the accountability of a specific person; it's to do with the threat of accountability to future people. We can't, in some kind of horrifying eugenic-esque experiment, imprison all the assholes so companies can only be led by nice people.
Sorry to nitpick but the statement is kind of unfair to how he shaped what happened. There are plenty of other people that could have come to power during this time period for which we cannot...
Sorry to nitpick but the statement
has nothing to do with Hitler
is kind of unfair to how he shaped what happened. There are plenty of other people that could have come to power during this time period for which we cannot fathom the outcome. Worse or better, it doesn't matter, but this person was a despicable person and I think humans are capable of chastising both the person and the system at the same time.
I do agree, however, that more effort should be spent fixing the system than chastising the abuser. But we can and should do both.
I know what you're saying and I'm not saying you're wrong but these PEOPLE keep getting away with it and regular people myself included has had enough. I know it's part of a bigger issue, I know...
I know what you're saying and I'm not saying you're wrong but these PEOPLE keep getting away with it and regular people myself included has had enough. I know it's part of a bigger issue, I know we need bigger change but for the love of everything hold these PEOPLE accountable! Now! I know you're probably not saying this but it kinda sounds like we shouldn't waste our time accusing the Bezos' of our time because they're just a product of our own system and that just pisses me off.
Thank you for your answer :)
I'd say it's kind of both. The systemic problem is that morally bankrupt people like Bezos are put in charge. The pervasive and entrenched issues we face today can be seen as the product of...
I'd say it's kind of both. The systemic problem is that morally bankrupt people like Bezos are put in charge. The pervasive and entrenched issues we face today can be seen as the product of centuries of a system that gives the worst people the most power.
Stories about Amazon are always so universally appalling, and Bezos actions so unapologetic evil that it rivals comic book villains. At this point I've grown tired of sophisticated analysis into something that is very clearly more a moral issue than a systemic one. The actions of this individual are unparalled and entirely unacceptable by any dignified point of view, and the fact that Bezzos and his demented supporters remain victorious in face of justice, dignity, and human rights instills in me an unhealthy pessimism that is hard to shake off.
It is a systemic problem, though. It has nothing to do with Bezos—though I'm sure he's not a particularly pleasant person—but with the systems that enable, encourage, and allow such behaviour. We must view corporations and their acts not as manifestations of people's decisions, but as a moral entities that act of their own volition; influenced by people, yes, but nevertheless existing beyond them.
Other corporations aren't better; they're just smaller or spend less money on press. For example: Foxconn, a company notably contracted by Apple (among many other companies) for manufacturing, installed netting outside its windows, because people were jumping through them.
In me, too :/
But I as a simple human being need someone to pay for this and not be told that it's a much larger issue we need to confront before these fucking assholes can be held accountable (and are long gone by that time btw). It's not about revenge it's about sending a (well deserved) signal that our society rejects this way of using each other. In my mind we can't change the system and still let these fuckers be around while we do it. Sometimes this feels like if the West held the German people hostage and accountable after WW2 except Hitler because...you know there must be an underlying bigger issue here we need to address before we can be sure he's also an asshole.
I don't know how to put this more clearly...
It's not that people aren't culpable, it's that it's not meaningful to talk about the actions of specific people when discussing these issues.
Think about a cancerous tumour. The origin of any tumour is a single mutated cell, and in some sense it's the fault of that cell that you have cancer. And yet, it doesn't really matter. That cell might be dead now, for all we know. What's to blame for the fact that you have cancer is a fundamental flaw in multicellular organism biology.
Germany in WW2 is another great example. It would be ludicrous to say that Hitler isn't a terrible person—of course. But the reason that Germany happened as it did has nothing to do with Hitler, and everything to do with a general economic (and hence sociopolitical) instability. By the same token, the reason WW3 didn't happen isn't that Hitler died and his henchmen were imprisoned. It's that the Allies economically rehabilitated Germany and Japan after WW2, getting rid of the vacuum that could only be filled by Hitler's type of extremism.
Well, yes. But that still has nothing to do with the accountability of a specific person; it's to do with the threat of accountability to future people. We can't, in some kind of horrifying eugenic-esque experiment, imprison all the assholes so companies can only be led by nice people.
Sorry to nitpick but the statement
is kind of unfair to how he shaped what happened. There are plenty of other people that could have come to power during this time period for which we cannot fathom the outcome. Worse or better, it doesn't matter, but this person was a despicable person and I think humans are capable of chastising both the person and the system at the same time.
I do agree, however, that more effort should be spent fixing the system than chastising the abuser. But we can and should do both.
I know what you're saying and I'm not saying you're wrong but these PEOPLE keep getting away with it and regular people myself included has had enough. I know it's part of a bigger issue, I know we need bigger change but for the love of everything hold these PEOPLE accountable! Now! I know you're probably not saying this but it kinda sounds like we shouldn't waste our time accusing the Bezos' of our time because they're just a product of our own system and that just pisses me off.
Thank you for your answer :)
I'd say it's kind of both. The systemic problem is that morally bankrupt people like Bezos are put in charge. The pervasive and entrenched issues we face today can be seen as the product of centuries of a system that gives the worst people the most power.
"Corporations are people, my friend."