Because we know that he will never, ever resign. His ego can't handle it. Half of the country will support him no matter what he does. He won't step down willingly and people know that. So why...
Because we know that he will never, ever resign.
His ego can't handle it. Half of the country will support him no matter what he does. He won't step down willingly and people know that. So why waste our breath on it?
Yeah, it’s like asking why we don’t ask trees to jump. Also, to my knowledge, the only US president to resign facing political pressure was Nixon, and that was only after the Watergate...
Yeah, it’s like asking why we don’t ask trees to jump. Also, to my knowledge, the only US president to resign facing political pressure was Nixon, and that was only after the Watergate investigation brought clear, easily understood evidence of Nixon’s guilt to light in the public. Trump and the Republican establishment of today have no shame and apparently no qualms about politicizing instruments like the DOJ and the courts to ensure that investigations into his corruption and would-be-scandals are obstructed such that the public’s understanding of events is twisted and delayed. To be fair, many democratic senators called for Trump to resign towards the beginning of his first term based on allegations of past sexual assault. Considering Bill Clinton didn’t resign after being impeached, it seems he opened the door to allowing sexual predators to assume and maintain the presidency with impunity.
Because the people at Fox and their listeners won't care. During Watergate the vast majority of media sources called him to resign and people trusted the media back then in a far less partisan...
The most extreme political opinion I have is that the republican party needs to be completely abolished and every member who has ever received a paycheck needs to be persecuted. Trump is the...
The most extreme political opinion I have is that the republican party needs to be completely abolished and every member who has ever received a paycheck needs to be persecuted. Trump is the perfect example of why. The reason why the bar is lowered for him is because the Republican party protects him. Look at how unanimously they voted to protect him during the impeachment; they are not a political party, they are a conspiracy, and their goal is to obtain and retain as much power as they possibly can. Can you honestly look at their track records and say that any of them are honestly doing what they think is right for the public welfare? I can't even say positively that they have any moral fabric whatsoever.
The problem is not that Trump isn't held to public standards, it's that republicans have always played to a completely different rulebook. They are constantly doing things that sane people should easily be able to tell is obviously immoral or unethical and they get away with it because they have tribalized politics and literally taken over media to be able to manufacture popular consent. They have even poisoned political conversation - just look at how many people are attacking identity politics; that's literally a right-wing talking point designed to take away the political power of minorities, yet I keep hearing it from progressive sources!
I believe what you’re saying entails that the American political system needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. But that would basically require a revolution and I don’t think that’s possible. My...
I believe what you’re saying entails that the American political system needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. But that would basically require a revolution and I don’t think that’s possible. My bets are in good old decadence. If you don’t invest in infrastructure, healthcare and education (in all levels) for all and also outsource important sectors, eventually other nations will come along. If things don’t change it will be a very slow downfall, but it will happen.
I read it and understand that point. Rather than calling for his resignation, we should be working on other, legal processes to remove him from office. I think a lot of us have just gotten tired...
I read it and understand that point. Rather than calling for his resignation, we should be working on other, legal processes to remove him from office.
I think a lot of us have just gotten tired of being angry all the time. It wears on you. There’s only so much rage any one person can have. People feel like there’s just no way he’ll resign, so it makes more sense to direct your energy toward something that is actually possible, like fighting on an individual decision/directive from the Trump Administration or strengthening local minority rights to stop their erosion by the federal government.
And Zelizer is right, history will judge us as a nation for tolerating his behavior.
At this point in the election cycle, is there any benefit to this? Any legal process would likely take longer than the 6 months remaining until the presidential election in November. If you want...
Rather than calling for his resignation, we should be working on other, legal processes to remove him from office.
At this point in the election cycle, is there any benefit to this? Any legal process would likely take longer than the 6 months remaining until the presidential election in November. If you want him out, you've got the opportunity to vote him out in 6 months.
I think that, right now, it's better to put your efforts into getting Biden elected, rather than getting Trump dismissed.
history will judge us as a nation for tolerating his behavior.
Just so you know, (most of) the rest of the world is judging you right now. You don't have to wait for history.
I suppose not. That's partly why I mentioned the other tactics like working to repeal some of the policies that he's put in place. Those will likely outlast him by a great long while. As they should.
At this point in the election cycle, is there any benefit to this? Any legal process would likely take longer than the 6 months remaining until the presidential election in November. If you want him out, you've got the opportunity to vote him out in 6 months.
I suppose not. That's partly why I mentioned the other tactics like working to repeal some of the policies that he's put in place. Those will likely outlast him by a great long while.
Just so you know, (most of) the rest of the world is judging you right now. You don't have to wait for history.
Because we know that he will never, ever resign.
His ego can't handle it. Half of the country will support him no matter what he does. He won't step down willingly and people know that. So why waste our breath on it?
Yeah, it’s like asking why we don’t ask trees to jump. Also, to my knowledge, the only US president to resign facing political pressure was Nixon, and that was only after the Watergate investigation brought clear, easily understood evidence of Nixon’s guilt to light in the public. Trump and the Republican establishment of today have no shame and apparently no qualms about politicizing instruments like the DOJ and the courts to ensure that investigations into his corruption and would-be-scandals are obstructed such that the public’s understanding of events is twisted and delayed. To be fair, many democratic senators called for Trump to resign towards the beginning of his first term based on allegations of past sexual assault. Considering Bill Clinton didn’t resign after being impeached, it seems he opened the door to allowing sexual predators to assume and maintain the presidency with impunity.
Because the people at Fox and their listeners won't care. During Watergate the vast majority of media sources called him to resign and people trusted the media back then in a far less partisan manner, which reflects itself in Nixon's and Trump's polling. This means that, unless Fox (the source that republicans actually watch) decides it agrees, and tells Republicans to follow them, Republicans will not believe it and thus it will have no effect.
TL;DR Fox news is a barrier to truth and it seems unbreachable.
Post-Nixon Roger Ailes' apparatus is functioning as designed[1].
The most extreme political opinion I have is that the republican party needs to be completely abolished and every member who has ever received a paycheck needs to be persecuted. Trump is the perfect example of why. The reason why the bar is lowered for him is because the Republican party protects him. Look at how unanimously they voted to protect him during the impeachment; they are not a political party, they are a conspiracy, and their goal is to obtain and retain as much power as they possibly can. Can you honestly look at their track records and say that any of them are honestly doing what they think is right for the public welfare? I can't even say positively that they have any moral fabric whatsoever.
The problem is not that Trump isn't held to public standards, it's that republicans have always played to a completely different rulebook. They are constantly doing things that sane people should easily be able to tell is obviously immoral or unethical and they get away with it because they have tribalized politics and literally taken over media to be able to manufacture popular consent. They have even poisoned political conversation - just look at how many people are attacking identity politics; that's literally a right-wing talking point designed to take away the political power of minorities, yet I keep hearing it from progressive sources!
I believe what you’re saying entails that the American political system needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. But that would basically require a revolution and I don’t think that’s possible. My bets are in good old decadence. If you don’t invest in infrastructure, healthcare and education (in all levels) for all and also outsource important sectors, eventually other nations will come along. If things don’t change it will be a very slow downfall, but it will happen.
I read it and understand that point. Rather than calling for his resignation, we should be working on other, legal processes to remove him from office.
I think a lot of us have just gotten tired of being angry all the time. It wears on you. There’s only so much rage any one person can have. People feel like there’s just no way he’ll resign, so it makes more sense to direct your energy toward something that is actually possible, like fighting on an individual decision/directive from the Trump Administration or strengthening local minority rights to stop their erosion by the federal government.
And Zelizer is right, history will judge us as a nation for tolerating his behavior.
At this point in the election cycle, is there any benefit to this? Any legal process would likely take longer than the 6 months remaining until the presidential election in November. If you want him out, you've got the opportunity to vote him out in 6 months.
I think that, right now, it's better to put your efforts into getting Biden elected, rather than getting Trump dismissed.
Just so you know, (most of) the rest of the world is judging you right now. You don't have to wait for history.
I suppose not. That's partly why I mentioned the other tactics like working to repeal some of the policies that he's put in place. Those will likely outlast him by a great long while.
As they should.