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Weekly megathread for news/updates/discussion of Russian invasion of Ukraine - September 29
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Putin declares 'four new regions of Russia' as Moscow annexes parts of Ukraine
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/09/30/putin-declares-four-new-regions-of-russia-as-moscow-annexes-parts-of-ukraine.html
And the escalation curve gets steeper.
Ukraine applies for Nato membership after Russia annexes territory
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/30/ukraine-applies-for-nato-membership-after-russia-annexes-territory
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Opinion | Alexei Navalny: This is what a post-Putin Russia should look like
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/30/alexei-navalny-parliamentary-republic-russia-ukraine/
If you can’t access the Washington Post article:
Jailed dissident Alexey Navalny says Russia must be transformed after war
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/30/europe/navalny-ukraine-war-intl/index.html
Just a side note. While Navalny is better than Putin, he is still a pretty fucking awful guy. The west has sanitized him a lot, mainly by virtue of him being better for the west, but he's more bandaid than he is solution.
Some extra reading:
I'm still too removed from Russian politics to truly have a strong opinion on him, but also, it's a case of "I've seen enough".
And in general, opposition leaders in dictatorships tend to be more-of-the-same once they're in charge, and I would absolutely not be surprised if having Navalny as the head of Russia would simply roll back the decades and give us a younger Putin (which is fucking terrifying).
Thanks Adys. I am not super familiar with Navalny other than some of the recent anti-corruption / anti-Putin work he's done. And clearly it's not quite that simple. I had previously heard that he was supportive of taking and keeping Crimea though. But any support for moving governments away from imperialism, authoritarianism, and especially "aggressive imperial authoritarianism" is good in my books -- but he's clearly not Putin's polar opposite.
At this point, I'll take anything/anyone over the current situation where nuclear war is an option on Russia's table.
Russian troops forced out of eastern town Lyman (BBC)
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Man. Russia is absolutely fucked.
I have nothing else to say for today.
Edit: Okay actually - this Twitter thread by the ISW sums things up pretty damn well. https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1576785121948360706
NATO warns of mobilization of Russian submarine ‘Belgorod’, carrier of the Weapon of Apocalypse
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nato-warns-of-mobilization-of-russian-submarine-belgorod-carrier-of-the-weapon-of-apocalypse/ar-AA12vwWP
To clarify: Despite the name, that sub is not a SSBN; using a SSBN for special ops work would be highly unusual, as would the deployment of one to the baltic sea. The baltic sea is a small pond for such a big fish.
That said, Belgorod is a very big fish, and operating in the baltics, much less undetected, is going to be tricky. I'd hazard the guess that if Belgorod was in the baltic 7 days ago, NATO knows. I'd say the reason this speculation is floating about is because Belgorod also serves as a mothership for a special mission mini submarine.
Ukraine tank breakthrough in south towards Kherson
There’s a scene in of the call of duty episodes, where you’re playing as a russian soldier, and if you don’t advance quickly enough, you’re own commanding officer shoots you in the back.
I wonder if that’s historically accurate, and a policy about to be revisited?
It's already being revisited. Wagner Group is already being used to "bolster morale" for conscripts.
Depends on the outcome I suppose. If Russia sues for a status quo ante bellum peace, I can see that happening. Unfortunately, what made it possible to resolve WW2 properly was that Germany was fought until they surrendered completely. With Russia having nukes, that's not really in the cards, even if NATO ramps up their commitment substantially. With Russia having nukes, a nationalist resurgence like in Germany in the interwar period isn't exactly pretty.
There's also the question of what all caused the difference in outcomes between post-WW2 and post-WW1 Germany. There's too many plausibly connected variables that changed between the two, but I'll give it a go: (this is also about post-hoc narratives in addition to objective historical facts - Dochstoss didn't happen, but the notion of it sure made other things happen.)
I suppose a lot of this will end up being a mostly domestic issue within Russia. How does the population handle 10s of thousands of their sons not coming home? How will they handle learning they've been lied to at every opportunity? If Russians have a "are we the baddies?" moment here... but that would imply much freer flow of information.
What can we do? I suppose the idea suggests itself to apply the same kind of subversive pressures that Russia applied to the US and EU - except we don't boost the isolationist, nationalist far right, but other, more progressive factions. I do wonder whether that's already secretly been happening for years - after all, that would entirely be a tit for tat move. Then again, dictatorships are much more resilient to that kind of pressure. Another option could be to treat the young Weimar republic to a Marshall Plan instead of a treaty of Versailles. How popular and/or effective that will be is anyone's guess.
Refuting annexation, Ukrainian forces push on from Lyman toward Luhansk (Washington Post)
(This is mostly interviews with people in Lyman, from reporters visiting there.)
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