Important to note that the article mentions that the real death toll is likely much higher, these are just what the BBC were able to confirm through their own research. It also mentions that the...
Important to note that the article mentions that the real death toll is likely much higher, these are just what the BBC were able to confirm through their own research.
It also mentions that the Ukrainian death toll is said to be 30,000, but that the real figure for that is also most likely much higher.
So 80,000 people dead 'officially' and probably another tens of thousands dead unofficially. All in about 2 years. Just tragic.
Honestly with the weapons of today I'm surprised it's not much higher. 100k over 3 years in a war, while tragic for sure, is really low considering present day weapons can flatten a large city in...
Honestly with the weapons of today I'm surprised it's not much higher. 100k over 3 years in a war, while tragic for sure, is really low considering present day weapons can flatten a large city in minutes and kill close to that in one strike.
To my understanding, it's exactly because present day weapons are so damaging that the losses are as low as they are. Any significant grouping of troops or materiel on either side gets pasted...
To my understanding, it's exactly because present day weapons are so damaging that the losses are as low as they are. Any significant grouping of troops or materiel on either side gets pasted pretty quickly. So you have groups of soldiers small enough it's not worth hitting them with the big weapons doing most of the fighting.
It's also because of battlefield and trauma medical advances. We saw unbelievable low death rates in the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars but unprecedentedly high ratio of injured and disabled soldiers....
It's also because of battlefield and trauma medical advances. We saw unbelievable low death rates in the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars but unprecedentedly high ratio of injured and disabled soldiers. We got really good at saving lives but people were still being hit and disfigured by weapons.
As an upper bound of just how far the casualty estimates go: Ukraine's official MoD estimate for the number of Russian casualties, so including wounded and missing, is currently sitting at 460000....
As an upper bound of just how far the casualty estimates go: Ukraine's official MoD estimate for the number of Russian casualties, so including wounded and missing, is currently sitting at 460000. The usual heuristic is 2 wounded per dead, but there's credible estimates that Russia has at least at times fared worse than that due to nonexistant medevac. We'll go with 2:1 anyway, giving about 150000 dead. Again, that's something of an upper bound because Ukraine is likely to overcount by some unknown amount. Though Ukrainian MoD figures aren't the hopeless propaganda numbers as those by the Russian MoD are.
Important to note that the article mentions that the real death toll is likely much higher, these are just what the BBC were able to confirm through their own research.
It also mentions that the Ukrainian death toll is said to be 30,000, but that the real figure for that is also most likely much higher.
So 80,000 people dead 'officially' and probably another tens of thousands dead unofficially. All in about 2 years. Just tragic.
Honestly with the weapons of today I'm surprised it's not much higher. 100k over 3 years in a war, while tragic for sure, is really low considering present day weapons can flatten a large city in minutes and kill close to that in one strike.
To my understanding, it's exactly because present day weapons are so damaging that the losses are as low as they are. Any significant grouping of troops or materiel on either side gets pasted pretty quickly. So you have groups of soldiers small enough it's not worth hitting them with the big weapons doing most of the fighting.
It's also because of battlefield and trauma medical advances. We saw unbelievable low death rates in the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars but unprecedentedly high ratio of injured and disabled soldiers. We got really good at saving lives but people were still being hit and disfigured by weapons.
And how much more disabled people. Only because of Putin's imperialism.
As an upper bound of just how far the casualty estimates go: Ukraine's official MoD estimate for the number of Russian casualties, so including wounded and missing, is currently sitting at 460000. The usual heuristic is 2 wounded per dead, but there's credible estimates that Russia has at least at times fared worse than that due to nonexistant medevac. We'll go with 2:1 anyway, giving about 150000 dead. Again, that's something of an upper bound because Ukraine is likely to overcount by some unknown amount. Though Ukrainian MoD figures aren't the hopeless propaganda numbers as those by the Russian MoD are.