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Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of September 23

This thread is posted weekly - please try to post all relevant Israel-Hamas war content in here, such as news, updates, opinion articles, etc. Extremely significant events may warrant a separate topic, but almost all should be posted in here.

Please try to avoid antagonistic arguments and bickering matches. Comment threads that devolve into unproductive arguments may be removed so that the overall topic is able to continue.

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  1. skybrian
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    Hundreds dead as Israel vows to continue ‘striking hard’ (Washington Post) ...

    Hundreds dead as Israel vows to continue ‘striking hard’ (Washington Post)

    On Tuesday afternoon, the Israel Defense Forces issued a fresh warning to residents of Lebanese villages living near or inside buildings used by Hezbollah for military purposes to immediately move at least one kilometer (around 1,000 yards) away.

    Large numbers of civilians moved to find safety on the eastern side of Beirut, while others arrived in the country’s north, where local officials opened schools and other locations to accommodate the newly displaced. Some 28,000 have been displaced in the recent strikes, to nearly 300 shelters, according to Lebanon’s Disaster Risk Management agency.

    ...

    According to state media, many of the families displaced from southern Lebanon and the eastern Bekaa Valley, where Hezbollah also has a major presence, reached Lebanon’s northernmost province Tuesday. Local media reported that large numbers of them are trying to cross Lebanon’s border into Syria, where Bashar al-Assad’s Iranian-backed regime is allied with Hezbollah.

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  2. skybrian
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    Israel Launches Strikes on Yemeni Houthi Targets …

    Israel Launches Strikes on Yemeni Houthi Targets

    (Reuters) - Israel launched strikes at Houthi targets in Yemen on Sunday after the Houthi militants fired missiles at Israel over the past two days, marking a fresh exchange in another front of the regional conflict.

    The Israeli military said in a statement that dozens of aircraft, including fighter jets, attacked power plants and a sea port at the Ras Issa and Hodeidah ports.

    The strikes caused power outages in most parts of the port city of Hodeidah, residents said.

    Yemen's Houthi militants have fired missiles and drones at Israel repeatedly in what they say is solidarity with Palestinians, since the Gaza war began with a Hamas attack on Israel on Oct. 7.

    In their latest attack, the Houthis said they had launched a ballistic missile on Saturday towards the Ben Gurion International Airport near Tel Aviv, which Israel said it intercepted. Israel also intercepted another Houthi missile on Friday.

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  3. skybrian
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    What Israel’s Assassination of Hezbollah’s Leader Means for the Middle East (New Yorker)

    What Israel’s Assassination of Hezbollah’s Leader Means for the Middle East (New Yorker)

    The Israeli operation made a mockery of U.S. diplomacy. Just two days earlier, the Biden Administration—alongside allies in the Middle East, Europe, and Asia—had announced a plan for a twenty-one-day ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel. In a late-night briefing on Wednesday, a senior U.S. official claimed that they had worked “tirelessly” with Israel and Lebanon on the terms. (The Lebanese government has often acted as an interlocutor with Hezbollah, which holds cabinet posts and parliamentary seats in Lebanon but is designated as a terrorist organization by the United States.) Just hours before the Israeli strike, John Kirby, the strategic coördinator for the National Security Council, confirmed that the U.S. believed it had buy-in from Israel. Netanyahu stiffed U.S. diplomats—again. In May, President Biden rolled out a three-phase ceasefire plan for Gaza that his Administration said was based on Israeli demands and was supported by Netanyahu. It has gone nowhere in four months.

    The Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin, claimed that the U.S. did not know about the attack on Nasrallah until after it started. (Iran’s Foreign Minister, Abbas Araghchi, told the U.N. Security Council on Friday that Washington was complicit because Israel had used five-thousand-pound bombs, known as “bunker busters,” acquired from the U.S.)

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    kingofsnake
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    It's looking like we'll have to add a third name to the title of this weekly given this weekend's events.

    It's looking like we'll have to add a third name to the title of this weekly given this weekend's events.

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      skybrian
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      Or change it to something more generic like “Middle East conflict megathread.”

      Or change it to something more generic like “Middle East conflict megathread.”

      4 votes
      1. kingofsnake
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        Hoping that it doesn't evolve to "Global instability megathread"

        Hoping that it doesn't evolve to "Global instability megathread"

        3 votes
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      karim
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      What happened? I don't keep close to news so I must've missed something.

      What happened? I don't keep close to news so I must've missed something.

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        stu2b50
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        Conflict between Israel and Hezbollah has gotten spicier. So far hasn’t escalated to outright war, though.

        Conflict between Israel and Hezbollah has gotten spicier. So far hasn’t escalated to outright war, though.

        4 votes
        1. [7]
          Eji1700
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          I mean that’s always been the issue. Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah have always supported each other when convenient. I’m really not sure how much that’ll drag in full countries though.

          I mean that’s always been the issue. Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah have always supported each other when convenient.

          I’m really not sure how much that’ll drag in full countries though.

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          1. [6]
            CannibalisticApple
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            Well, the national news tonight mentioned Israel launching bombs at Lebanon in order to hit Hezbollah, with a sizeable death toll. CNN is doing live coverage, including: Death toll from Israeli...

            Well, the national news tonight mentioned Israel launching bombs at Lebanon in order to hit Hezbollah, with a sizeable death toll.

            CNN is doing live coverage, including: Death toll from Israeli strikes in Lebanon rises to 492, health ministry says

            More than 450 people were killed and 1,600 others were injured in Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon on Monday, officials said, marking the deadliest day of strikes from Israel in the country since the 2006 war

            Also important to note that Israel is accusing Hezbollah of hiding weapons in civilian houses. And this statement from Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari gives me the impression that many of the targets today were civilian homes:

            “These are all strategic munitions (which Hezbollah) stationed at the heart of the villages, within civilian homes, and from there they intended to launch them and harm the citizens of Israel,” he continued.

            I'm skeptical of how many of the victims were civilians versus Hezbollah militants. Though, I did just have a realization that I might share in another comment.

            For now, what matters is that things are escalating fast with attacks beyond Israeli borders and show no signs of slowing. Lebanon's government has genuine grounds to retaliate and escalate to war.

            3 votes
            1. [5]
              gary
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              I've seen footage of munitions in homes cooking off; one involved a rocket motor going out of control. Another had a missile(?) wildly blast out of the building in its damaged state and then smash...

              I've seen footage of munitions in homes cooking off; one involved a rocket motor going out of control. Another had a missile(?) wildly blast out of the building in its damaged state and then smash into a Lebanese civilian home. There's no doubt there's a non-zero number of homes harboring weapons caches. r/CombatFootage is pretty interesting right now.

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                Melvincible
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                Jesus, the comments in that sub are disgusting :/ I forgot how vile reddit can be.

                Jesus, the comments in that sub are disgusting :/ I forgot how vile reddit can be.

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                1. Tuaam
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                  Alot of those subs are propagandized, I don't watch combat footage as I've always found it to be extremely disgusting but yeah, it's very easy to just have one viewpoint and it'll propagate...

                  Alot of those subs are propagandized, I don't watch combat footage as I've always found it to be extremely disgusting but yeah, it's very easy to just have one viewpoint and it'll propagate easily. And most of those posts are done by bots or people who clearly have too much time on their hands.

                  Reddit has been hit bad by this conflict, and the reason why Tildes tends to fare better is because there's a vetting system which prevents botting from generating too many vitriolic posts.

                  3 votes
                2. [2]
                  gary
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                  Just watch the footage and get out! I find that on the old UI on desktop it's just enough to see the video and no comments if I don't scroll. Or sometimes I watch the video from the subreddit...

                  Just watch the footage and get out! I find that on the old UI on desktop it's just enough to see the video and no comments if I don't scroll. Or sometimes I watch the video from the subreddit without opening the comments.

                  2 votes
                  1. Melvincible
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                    I mean I stupidly thought there might be some explanations in there but definitely not. I watched a segment on ig about the thermobaric bomb and it's just unbelievable looking. A whole ass...

                    I mean I stupidly thought there might be some explanations in there but definitely not. I watched a segment on ig about the thermobaric bomb and it's just unbelievable looking. A whole ass mushroom cloud with a shockwave, it's hard to really understand the scale. Hundreds of people dead in a 24 hour period just feels like people need to stop referring to it as "tensions" and a "conflict". I keep seeing people say "so and so might escalate to war after this other escalation" and I'm dumbfounded that all of this somehow doesn't already qualify as war. That bomb was crazy looking.

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