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Weekly Middle East war megathread - week of October 7
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U.N. says Israeli forces battling Iran-backed Hezbollah in Lebanon fire on UNIFIL peacekeepers, wounding two
So Israeli troops are now firing at UN peacekeepers who are stationed in Lebanon.
I wanted to take a moment and post the following as a good rounded look at the situation on the anniversary of the war.
Personally, I'm hoping that this will finally bring back enough global attention to realize a two state solution. However, I'm tempering optimism because I haven't seen the involvement I think will be necessary from the neighboring Arab countries to facilitate the necessary security agreements.
A deep dive into the lives impacted by the war.
NPR Consider This: October 7th: A year of war through the eyes of those who lived it
A short podcast covering the anniversary of the war.
NPR Up First: One Year Since Oct. 7, How The War Shapes The Vote In Michigan
A hard look at the humanitarian reality of the situation.
NYT gift link: Nowhere to Go: How Gaza Became a Mass Death Trap
A fairly high level overview of the main lines of events.
NYT gift link: One Year Later
There was a fairly well reported deal brewing amongst the Gulf States, Israel, and US for an Israeli normalization deal, which would no doubt involve some kind concession of a Palestinian state from Israel. So I think the support there exists. Perhaps an election cycle or two, and a more moderate Israeli government would have taken it, just like Israel traded most of their Six Day War gains.
It's hard to imagine anything like that now, unless there's at least some kind of massive change in Iran, either a regime change, or at least sufficient weakening of the Iranian government such that they no longer have the ability to sponsor militia groups, I don't see any way for such a thing to happen.
Yeah, hopefully time will bring about enough will from the right parties. I don't have any hope for Iran coming around in any way. But if we could get something like Jordan and Egypt providing security forces for Gaza and the West Bank instead of leaving it to Israel as part of a two state solution, maybe that would work. Leaving Israel in charge of security in Gaza and the West Bank will never lead to a two state solution, even if Israel really tried. It creates too much direct conflict and emotions between the factions. I think regional peace keeping forces will be necessary for at least a generation to sustain any two state solution.
But that's just my rambling thoughts.
From the “Nowhere to go” link:
It’s great that they brought this up, but it doesn’t go far enough. Egypt and Israel are not the only countries that should take refugees. Every country should be doing their part.
But we don’t. Nobody even seriously talks about it.
After what happened in Jordan, I doubt anyone is chomping at the bits to take refugees from Gaza. Little gain, big risks. Nations are sovereign states and will do what’s in their interest in the end.
I suppose, but it's odd that we don't see activists pushing for rescuing people either.
For some (many?) of the pro-Palestinian folks, the concern is that if those in Gaza leave to go somewhere safer, Israel won’t let them back in and will just annex the land.
I sometimes suspect that too, but since it's immoral to prevent civilians from fleeing a war zone, I'd rather not assume the worst of other people without clear evidence that it's how they think.
1 Year of Insanity...
From the Institute of the Study of War
I wanted to underline this because it's a bit interesting - killing Hezbollah's main leadership was expected to be a decapitation strike but apparently this has not been possible, and it's quite obvious given the fact that like any Militia they are decentralized. It also doesn't seem like Israel has made huge strides in advancing into Lebanon, I did a quick measurement test and the distance is actually a short walk from my neighborhood to the fields - goes to show how small the Levant is. So either they're gauging where to strike or something's seriously up. I also do think that a majority of the casualties aren't from direct engagements but are from airstrikes, though I'm not sure.
I remember the advancement into Gaza city was much longer too, the playing field of these armies has radically changed from the era of large armies fighting each other in the desert. During the Yom-Kippur war, the Egyptian and Israeli armies fought over larger pieces of land in faster succession, here it is much, much smaller.
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On IDF tour of southern Lebanon, signs of Hezbollah tunnels and arms (Washington Post)
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I don’t know much about the UNIFIL, but according to Wikipedia, they’ve been in Lebanon since 1978 (!) Here is some background from Reuters:
UNIFIL: What is the mandate of UN peacekeepers in southern Lebanon?
It seems that they’ve been given the basically impossible mission (for such a small force) of removing Hezbollah so instead they mostly ignore them. But they occasionally do some other things like clearing land mines.
Biden sends missile system and 100 troops to Israel, deepening U.S. role (Washington Post)
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