32 votes

Brexit: Boris Johnson defeated as MPs take control

17 comments

  1. [5]
    envy
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    21 Conservatives rebelled against their party, despite warnings they will be expelled from the party and prevented from standing in future elections.

    In total, 21 Tory MPs, including a number of ex-cabinet ministers, joined opposition parties to defeat the government.

    21 Conservatives rebelled against their party, despite warnings they will be expelled from the party and prevented from standing in future elections.

    23 votes
    1. [3]
      vegai
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      That seemed like a very odd threat. "If you don't support me, I won't allow you to support me". But Boris Johnson (and others of the same persuasion) are very odd indeed.

      That seemed like a very odd threat. "If you don't support me, I won't allow you to support me". But Boris Johnson (and others of the same persuasion) are very odd indeed.

      1 vote
      1. Loire
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        Threat of expulsion from the party is typical in parliamentary systems when voting against the party in whipped votes.

        Threat of expulsion from the party is typical in parliamentary systems when voting against the party in whipped votes.

        9 votes
      2. gpl
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        It disallows them from running as Torys, which essentially means they cannot win their next election. Considering that there will likely be an election soon, BoJo has essentially said told them...

        It disallows them from running as Torys, which essentially means they cannot win their next election. Considering that there will likely be an election soon, BoJo has essentially said told them they'll be gone in a month (or whenever a general election happens).

        5 votes
  2. [3]
    VoidOutput
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    Ah. I can see why Johnson's strategy makes sense for him personally. Well, maybe this can be categorized as baseless so I'm interested to see if y'all find this credible. Maybe Johnson's pushing...

    Ah. I can see why Johnson's strategy makes sense for him personally. Well, maybe this can be categorized as baseless so I'm interested to see if y'all find this credible.

    Maybe Johnson's pushing for No Deal so outrageously hard so that he can both appeal to the most extreme supporters of his whole also getting every other party in parliament to support a General Election that he conveniently loses, thus he wouldn't be the center of attention if No Deal actually happens and it predictably becomes a shitshow.

    As I see it, preserving a personal brand and a fanatic voter base can be much much more interesting for him than maneuvering through whatever hell comes after Brexit and hoping you can glean some profits afterwards.

    8 votes
    1. stephen
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      That seems like an extremely elaborate scheme if his end plan is "please stop calling my house so much." What does he care about personal brand when he is personally wealthy? What is stopping him...

      That seems like an extremely elaborate scheme if his end plan is "please stop calling my house so much." What does he care about personal brand when he is personally wealthy? What is stopping him from coming to the conclusion that "this has gone too far, it's not worth it" and just moving to Aruba or some shit? I just don't see why the Tories want this so fucking badly. Either this is the most reckless, ill-considered wedge issue ever devised or I am missing something here.

      2 votes
    2. mike10010100
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      You're assuming he doesn't simply want chaos.

      You're assuming he doesn't simply want chaos.

      1 vote
  3. [5]
    culturedleftfoot
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    I took part in a study in July where I was asked to forecast the likelihood of the UK getting an extension on the Brexit deadline. There was a fairly compelling case for a stalemate but I figured...

    I took part in a study in July where I was asked to forecast the likelihood of the UK getting an extension on the Brexit deadline. There was a fairly compelling case for a stalemate but I figured someone would surely break ranks and not let Boris even get that far. I'm pleased to see my hope wasn't misplaced.

    On another note, it never ceases to amaze me how stereotypically un-British their Parliament proceedings are.

    5 votes
    1. [4]
      Greg
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      This caught my interest; how do you mean? I've always thought that the strange rituals, the environment, and the visible history were exceptionally British - both for better and for worse!

      On another note, it never ceases to amaze me how stereotypically un-British their Parliament proceedings are.

      This caught my interest; how do you mean? I've always thought that the strange rituals, the environment, and the visible history were exceptionally British - both for better and for worse!

      1 vote
      1. [3]
        CALICO
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        I can't much comment on the British-ness of the whole thing, but it was certainly more rowdy than I'd expected compared to the US Congress. I was surprised at the level of general chatter, and...

        I can't much comment on the British-ness of the whole thing, but it was certainly more rowdy than I'd expected compared to the US Congress.
        I was surprised at the level of general chatter, and talking over of people that occurred. Rees-Mogg struck me with his exceptionally lazy posture (which seems to be trending today), and I thought Bercow was an absolute riot. Other than that, the Parliament was about what I'd expect from a governmental body.

        The hear-hear's were positively British, however.

        2 votes
        1. stu2b50
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          That seems pretty appropriate for Britain, though. I feel like this is an appropriate image http://i.imgur.com/pTR7f6D.jpg

          That seems pretty appropriate for Britain, though.

          I feel like this is an appropriate image http://i.imgur.com/pTR7f6D.jpg

          3 votes
  4. Nexu
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    For those not following this, the commons vote yesterday was basically to see whether or not there'd be another vote today to actually pass the bill to make a no-deal Brexit illegal. It went...

    For those not following this, the commons vote yesterday was basically to see whether or not there'd be another vote today to actually pass the bill to make a no-deal Brexit illegal.

    It went through, and that's what's happening right now.

    The bill currently being debated, the Benn Bill, has also interestingly just had an amendment passed (being referred to as the "Kinnock ammendment") under some curious circumstances:

    "The amendment in the name of Stephen Kinnock didn’t have a vote as the Government didn’t provide tellers to count. This meant the amendment went through although the No Lobby was full. This wasn’t an accident you can be assured there’s some skullduggery going on." - Source

    So basically this amendment to the currently-being-debated Benn bill was rushed through without even being voted on.

    What this amendment seems to suggest, as far as I can tell, is that any extension effectively becomes an extension wherein the govt policy will be to pass Theresa May's recent withdrawal agreement.

    But that's not exactly clear, and I wonder if there's something else going on...

    3 votes
  5. [3]
    Capn_HAXX
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    As an outsider, what a huge shitshow this has been and I honestly don't I can say more.

    As an outsider, what a huge shitshow this has been and I honestly don't I can say more.

    1. [2]
      Algernon_Asimov
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      Unfortunately, many of us have to care. This is going to affect trade and economies around the world. For instance, the United Kingdom is among Australia's major trading partners. Whether the UK...

      Unfortunately, many of us have to care. This is going to affect trade and economies around the world. For instance, the United Kingdom is among Australia's major trading partners. Whether the UK leaves the European Union and, if so, how, will affect us.

      10 votes
      1. Capn_HAXX
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        Oh, I agree that it's an important issue. I just think I'm exhausted by how awful it has proceeded up until now.

        Oh, I agree that it's an important issue. I just think I'm exhausted by how awful it has proceeded up until now.

        7 votes