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Head of Iowa Postal Workers Union says that mail sorting machines are being removed from post offices in the state, hindering ability to process mail

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  1. [9]
    Grendel
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    Guys I just hate this. All of this. I'm only 26 years old. I've barely voted in 2 presidential elections, and look at the crap that is going on. It feels like the whole country is just falling...

    Guys I just hate this. All of this. I'm only 26 years old. I've barely voted in 2 presidential elections, and look at the crap that is going on. It feels like the whole country is just falling apart. I'm not trying to be over-dramatic but I'm legitimately starting to worry about an actual physical second civil war this November.

    It feels like my generation got dealt a pretty crappy hand over all, and I really hope we can rise to the occasion and make a better world out of what ever is left of this one when the Boomers/GOP are done with it.

    EDIT:
    Guys I'm sorry for having a little breakdown like that. I know that all hope isn't lost. Some moments just get super overwhelming and I kind just let it spill out. Thanks very much for all of the support, I really appreciate all of you and this community as a whole!

    20 votes
    1. [3]
      arp242
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      We went through the black death where literally half of Europe died. Germany went from a democracy to Nazi Germany and back to a democracy all in the span of about 15 years. It might also be...

      We went through the black death where literally half of Europe died. Germany went from a democracy to Nazi Germany and back to a democracy all in the span of about 15 years.

      It might also be useful to remember the 60s: massive protests (civil rights, Vietnam), lynchings, assassination of MLK, Malcolm X, Medgar Evers, JFK, Bobby Kennedy, rampant anticommunism paranoia, authoritarian FBI actively working to undermine civil rights, and I'm probably missing a few things. The United States got out of that mess without a civil war too (although many of today's problems are directly related).

      Stuff like this gives me confidence things will more or less work out ... eventually. Although the needless and pointless human suffering is certainly frustrating.

      Also, at some point ... just fuck it. No need to carry the burden of the world's problems on your shoulders.

      7 votes
      1. [2]
        elcuello
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        Maybe the US didn't really get out of these problems and that accumulation is what we're finally seeing now.

        The United States got out of that mess without a civil war too (although many of today's problems are directly related).

        Maybe the US didn't really get out of these problems and that accumulation is what we're finally seeing now.

        8 votes
        1. arp242
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          It goes back even further than that all the way to founding the nation with slavery encoded in the constitution. A lot of the extreme nature of the problems today seem to stem from that. My point...

          It goes back even further than that all the way to founding the nation with slavery encoded in the constitution. A lot of the extreme nature of the problems today seem to stem from that. My point was just that the US has seen periods of great unrest before that were calmed down without a civil war.

          5 votes
    2. moonbathers
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      I wrote an entire novel even bigger than I usually write and then I accidentally hit the back button and it all got erased :| I'm in the same boat as you. This is the third presidential election...

      I wrote an entire novel even bigger than I usually write and then I accidentally hit the back button and it all got erased :|

      I'm in the same boat as you. This is the third presidential election I'll be voting in and the stakes are higher than ever. Eight years ago I worried about Romney rolling back the progress we had made in Obama's first term and about his association with Wisconsin Republicans, who less than two years into their control of the state had done a lot of damage. Four years ago I worried about the damage a Trump administration could do to fighting climate change, and about friends and family who were vulnerable to a potential ACA repeal and part of demographic groups he targeted during his campaign.

      The stakes now are higher than I ever imagined they would be. If Trump remains in power, the pandemic will continue to spread unchecked, we'll lose another four critical years of fighting climate change, and most importantly in the short term at least we might him become president for life. The three main scenarios that are relevant are Biden wins and peacefully takes power (which I think is unlikely), Biden wins and Trump refuses to give up power, and Trump wins, regardless of how legal or fair it is.

      If Trump wins the election by the official vote count, I think we get four more years of what we've seen so far: parts of the federal government that don't enrich him and his friends get marginalized and stripped away, general corruption and illegal abuse of power which goes unpunished, and the regime continues to undermine Democrats in any way they can. I don't think we see escalating fascism until either something happens that threatens the regime (like the recent protests) or it becomes campaign season. Depending on the political climate in ~3 years, he might decide he wants a third term or maybe he'll try and pass it off to one of his kids or someone else who's similarly corrupt and fascistic and will protect him from being held accountable. If he stays for a third term, we either accept we have a dictator or we fight back.

      The scarier scenario for me is if the regime screws up cheating the election and Biden ends up winning by the official count and then Trump doesn't give up power. That moves the "fight back" date up four years; we either accept we have a dictator or do everything we can to remove him and make Biden president.

      I've seen a lot of people say that the Secret Service and/or military would remove Trump from office if he refuses to leave, but I'm not confident it would be that clean. A whole lot of people in and out of government don't care about all the terrible stuff Trump has done so far and I'm not convinced enough people would finally turn against him if he decides to stay in office. It might happen, I'm just a random twentysomething who likes to read, but I'm not confident.

      What needs to happen when we fight back, regardless of if it's this year or in 2024, won't look a lot like the United States Civil War if you were being literal about that. We need protests everywhere and as many people protesting in DC as possible so that Trump and everyone who supports him can't hide from what they're doing. We need to shut down their power in whatever way we can - a mass strike, blocking roads and that sort of thing, etc. As the pandemic has shown, we are the source of their power. The economy basically collapsed in two weeks of half the country not working.
      Hopefully our pushback would be nonviolent, but I think violence is inevitable.

      The moral of the story is that we're not fucked. The next few years are probably going to really, really suck, but we're not fucked. There are a lot of people who don't want Trump to take over, and our job is to connect with each other and build relationships and communities that can withstand what's coming and push back and try to make everything right.

      6 votes
    3. [3]
      Qis
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      Don't despair. Even if the ground falls out from underneath us it will always be possible to connect with people nearby to you and find meaning and stability in taking responsibility for their...

      Don't despair. Even if the ground falls out from underneath us it will always be possible to connect with people nearby to you and find meaning and stability in taking responsibility for their (and your own) health, happiness, and security. If you aren't yet ensconced in community groups in your area please consider reaching out and making yourself available for mutual supports which are so badly needed all over the US. We are also still a young nation, comparatively speaking, and yet-wider strife may come as we are forced to reform under the new conditions. Look to the future, it is still there.

      4 votes
      1. teaearlgraycold
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        Do we not have one of the older governments? It's been over 200 years since the union was formed with an unbroken chain of presidents all sworn in under the same constitution. It seems to me that...

        We are also still a young nation, comparatively speaking

        Do we not have one of the older governments? It's been over 200 years since the union was formed with an unbroken chain of presidents all sworn in under the same constitution.

        It seems to me that more so we are seeing the end of the nation. America is special in that it's lasted this long.

        6 votes
      2. Grendel
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        Thank you for this. I'm going to be okay, I just had a little moment of being overwhelmed. I live in a super conservative Trump worshiping part of America and now that I'm out of college it's hard...

        Thank you for this. I'm going to be okay, I just had a little moment of being overwhelmed. I live in a super conservative Trump worshiping part of America and now that I'm out of college it's hard to find like-minded people, but I'm sure they are out there. The Tildes community here has been very kind and helpful.

        4 votes
    4. Kuromantis
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      I'm around half your age and have only known that voter suppression is even real for 8 months and I care too, at least enough to write a short poem about it. More relevantly, you might want to see...

      Guys I just hate this. All of this. I'm only 26 years old. I've barely voted in 2 presidential elections, and look at the crap that is going on. It feels like the whole country is just falling apart. I'm not trying to be over-dramatic but I'm legitimately starting to worry about an actual physical second civil war this November.

      I'm around half your age and have only known that voter suppression is even real for 8 months and I care too, at least enough to write a short poem about it.

      More relevantly, you might want to see this thread: How do you deal with the world getting hopeless everyday?

      2 votes
  2. [7]
    AugustusFerdinand
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    The following account is anecdotal as I cannot provide any sources or articles to back it up, just the direct information from a friend that works for USPS and shared what she knows when I asked:...

    The following account is anecdotal as I cannot provide any sources or articles to back it up, just the direct information from a friend that works for USPS and shared what she knows when I asked:

    1. The machines they're removing are the flat mail (letters, magazines, etc) sorters.
    2. The flat mail sorters are being replaced with package sorters.
    3. The plan to remove/replace the machines has been in the works for some time as the volume of that first class mail has been dropping for over a decade while volume of packages have increased.
    4. There are procedures in place to sort the mail at each post office by hand (the local post offices are where the machines are being removed) as it was done prior to the machines and any time the machines are down.
    5. Yes, this is slower than sorting by mail.
    6. Yes, the timing of the machine removal is highly suspect and (her words) "outright bullshite".
    11 votes
    1. [6]
      arp242
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      I'm not so sure there is some conspiracy to undermine the election; there are many many examples of some new leadership coming in – both in corporations and government, but mostly government –...

      I'm not so sure there is some conspiracy to undermine the election; there are many many examples of some new leadership coming in – both in corporations and government, but mostly government – saying "we can do everything better", and just making things worse with their massive reorganisations.

      At this point, I don't think it really matters either. What matters is that the USPS should adequately prepare for the upcoming election.

      I fear this may turn in to the next "Russia collusion" fiasco; to quote myself:

      Take the whole Trump/Russia collusion investigation. I said for years that we need to be very careful with harsh accusations, because while I have no doubt that Trump would have no moral scrupulous in involving foreign agents to win the election, the evidence that he actually did so was never all that substantial; maybe there is evidence, but better to exercise caution. In general, few people seemed to agree with this take. And then Mueller Report came out and... yeah, I told you so. We all looked like fools, and it fed back in to the whole right-wing persecution complex.

      I suspect DeJoy simply doesn't care, but that's not quite the same as intentional obstruction (although the lines here can be rather thin).

      3 votes
      1. [5]
        moonbathers
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        I think there have been way too many instances of the regime trying to hurt the people they don't like to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. DeJoy has at least $30 million in assets...

        I think there have been way too many instances of the regime trying to hurt the people they don't like to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. DeJoy has at least $30 million in assets in competitors to the USPS. There's going to be a huge increase in the number of mail ballots and those are sent by letter, not package. I think it's too much of a coincidence to think the regime isn't doing this on purpose.

        10 votes
        1. [4]
          arp242
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          Maybe ... but "surely it can't be a coincidence!" is fairly weak evidence (it's hardly evidence at all; more of a smoke signal). And the financial problems are real, so "just trying to cut costs"...

          Maybe ... but "surely it can't be a coincidence!" is fairly weak evidence (it's hardly evidence at all; more of a smoke signal). And the financial problems are real, so "just trying to cut costs" is entirely plausible.

          1 vote
          1. [3]
            moonbathers
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            If these cuts don't disproportionately affect Democratic places I'll gladly admit I was wrong. It's not really evidence, you're right, but the regime shouldn't have the benefit of the doubt at...

            If these cuts don't disproportionately affect Democratic places I'll gladly admit I was wrong. It's not really evidence, you're right, but the regime shouldn't have the benefit of the doubt at this point, especially after it was reported that Kushner and the trust fund squad came up with a pandemic response but it was scrapped since the pandemic was mainly hitting places with lots of Democratic voters at the time.

            8 votes
            1. [2]
              cmccabe
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              This is what I would like to follow. Does anyone have suggestions about how to track this, other than passively hoping some investigative journalist is handling it?

              If these cuts don't disproportionately affect Democratic places

              This is what I would like to follow. Does anyone have suggestions about how to track this, other than passively hoping some investigative journalist is handling it?

              4 votes
              1. cmccabe
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                And Vanity Fair has a new article related to this subject, called “It Looks Like They’re Targeting Blue Urban Areas”: New Postal Service Plan Is Setting Off Election Alarms. This is referring to...

                And Vanity Fair has a new article related to this subject, called “It Looks Like They’re Targeting Blue Urban Areas”: New Postal Service Plan Is Setting Off Election Alarms.

                [Louis de Joy] testified Friday to his commitment to ensuring [that ballots would] be delivered on time. But according to an expert source, his agency has been testing a new and little-reported program that could be used to slow the mail in certain areas.

                This is referring to an experimental program called Expedited to Street/Afternoon Sortation (ESAS) which is being rolled out in a test set of zip codes. The zip codes chosen for this test are skewed towards Democratic leaning areas by more than 2:1. Sources cited in the article suggest that the program will certainly slow down mail processing.

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