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Canadian Election 2021

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Edit: CBC have projected a Liberal win.

Seat Changes (Projected):

Liberal: +1
Conservative: –2
Bloc Québécois: +2
New Democrat: +1
Green: –1
People's Party: 0
Other: –1

30 comments

  1. [18]
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    1. [14]
      cfabbro
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      Which is totally justified "attack" given earlier this year the party voted down a resolution to officially recognize climate change, which is especially idiotic considering that the majority of...

      the usual attacks... "The Conservatives will not take global warming seriously"

      Which is totally justified "attack" given earlier this year the party voted down a resolution to officially recognize climate change, which is especially idiotic considering that the majority of Canadians have time and time again listed it as one of their primary concerns... even amidst the pandemic.

      So the CPC only has itself to blame if they lose this election.

      p.s. And just to be clear: Fuck Trudeau for calling this early election. Between this and him breaking his promise on election reform last election, he has pretty much ensured I will never vote for the Liberals ever again.

      13 votes
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          cfabbro
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          Probably because the various Conservative parties across Canada keep giving them more ammunition, and the Liberals pointing out all those instances keeps benefiting them? So why would they stop? I...

          So why do the Liberals resort to it every campaign?

          Probably because the various Conservative parties across Canada keep giving them more ammunition, and the Liberals pointing out all those instances keeps benefiting them? So why would they stop?

          I am no fan of the Liberal party, especially these days, but Canada is not divided on the abortion issue so Conservatives are doing themselves no favors by constantly trying to mess with the laws surrounding it.

          5 votes
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              streblo
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              I promise I'm not trying to rag on you too much but I can't ignore this ;) I mean let's just ignore how he's a former CPC prodigy, former Harper cabinet minister and the absolute sterling defense...

              I promise I'm not trying to rag on you too much but I can't ignore this ;)

              Jason Kenney is not a product of, nor in control of the CPC.

              I mean let's just ignore how he's a former CPC prodigy, former Harper cabinet minister and the absolute sterling defense of Alberta's health policies O'Toole just lent to Kenney. But yea, no connection whatsoever!

              6 votes
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                  streblo
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                  I definitely agree that there isn't any sort of formal connection between the two but they do share the same social circles, get policies constructed at the same think tanks and generally have far...

                  I definitely agree that there isn't any sort of formal connection between the two but they do share the same social circles, get policies constructed at the same think tanks and generally have far too many 'soft' connections for them to be truly distinct. The UCP has a larger concentration of the more extreme side of conservatism but its also present in the CPC as well.

                  As a fellow moderate, I understand where you're coming from. I too have wanted the CPC too pivot towards me for years now and even registered as a member one year to vote for Michael Chong. I acknowledge what Erin O'Toole is doing in trying to steer the party towards the centre but in my opinion it's too late.

                  If he wins tonight I'll take solace in the silver lining that maybe the moderates can gain a little clout within the CPC which honestly would be a good thing for Canada but I just don't see it. Too much of the party, from the candidates to the machinery, is centered around a flavour of conservatism I find wholly distasteful. Increasingly, their primary engagement is driven from websites like Canada Proud over old-fashioned Tory columnists. Andrew Coyne has damn near been laughed out of CPC circles, and its not like he's not conservative.

                  I could be (very) wrong but in my mind EOT could lose very badly tonight. If that happens I honestly don't know what happens to the CPC. Likely its a permanent knife in the heart for the CPC as a home for moderates and someone like Poilievre takes over. I don't think they merge with the PPC but they will shift rightwards and eat their voterbase, they just have too much political machinery vs the PPC for that not to be the case.

                  3 votes
                  1. [3]
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                      streblo
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                      Yea its definitely just a hunch I have but I'm basing that off of four things: People are really, really upset with the anti-vaccine protests and the like. The Liberals and the NDP are offering a...

                      I don't believe O'Toole will win but nothing polling wise suggests the Liberals are going to take off tonight. Of course polls are never 100%.

                      Yea its definitely just a hunch I have but I'm basing that off of four things:

                      • People are really, really upset with the anti-vaccine protests and the like. The Liberals and the NDP are offering a chance to repute those people at the ballot box. For whatever reason the CPC have decided they need the PPC voters instead of offering the same. (IMO I don't think they do need them. People would have been happy enough to vote against Trudeau that they could have won without them.)
                      • Several polling firms have indicated they think a slightly larger campaign would have resulted in Liberal majority as they were starting to pick up on a large increase of Liberal votes after the Kenney comments.
                      • Polly, an AI-driven insight service which accurately predicted the last Canada election has in the last week slid from predicting a Conservative government to predicting almost a majority for the Liberals.
                      • O'Toole is already lowering his expectations.

                      There is no CPC government without Toronto and there is no Toronto with a Reform/PPC style conservative.

                      Definitely agree with you there but much like the federal NDP I think there are too many CPC MPs and voters who'd rather a more partisan platform than a governing one.

                      2 votes
                      1. streblo
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                        Well I was very wrong about my hunch! Happy to be wrong in this case, as it’s result of a very poor performance by the PPC. Stay golden Canada.

                        Well I was very wrong about my hunch! Happy to be wrong in this case, as it’s result of a very poor performance by the PPC. Stay golden Canada.

                        3 votes
                  2. [5]
                    cfabbro
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                    Small world. We must live in the same riding! :P I voted for Jahangir (NDP) this election though, since I am done with strategic voting for the Liberals, especially after this bullshit. That and...

                    to vote for Michael Chong

                    Small world. We must live in the same riding! :P

                    I voted for Jahangir (NDP) this election though, since I am done with strategic voting for the Liberals, especially after this bullshit. That and my vote doesn't ever seem to matter anyways, since Chong is likely always going to keep winning here... but to be fair, it's for good reason; He is actually a pretty decent MP, and unlike most of his party he isn't afraid to cross party lines for votes he believes in (e.g. Motion 103). In fact, I actually would have preferred it had he won the leadership race in 2017 instead of Scheer, and was disappointed he decided against throwing his hat in the ring again in 2020. :(

                    2 votes
                    1. [4]
                      streblo
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                      Haha no I don't live in your riding I meant register as a CPC member to vote for him in their leadership election. He's definitely leagues better than Scheer but his poor performance also I think...

                      Haha no I don't live in your riding I meant register as a CPC member to vote for him in their leadership election. He's definitely leagues better than Scheer but his poor performance also I think demonstrates how distasteful someone like him is to the people who participate in CPC leadership elections aka the party membership. I wish there were more Red Tories left in the party but sadly they're a dying breed.

                      3 votes
                      1. [3]
                        cfabbro
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                        The PCs made a pact with the devil when they merged with the Reform/Alliance all those years ago, and the tail has been wagging the dog ever since. :(

                        The PCs made a pact with the devil when they merged with the Reform/Alliance all those years ago, and the tail has been wagging the dog ever since. :(

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                        1. streblo
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                          Preaching to the choir ;)

                          Preaching to the choir ;)

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                          1. cfabbro
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                            Historically that has been true, but if the CPC were to somehow split now I think the NDP would actually see a large increase in seats at the Liberals expense, since people wouldn't feel the need...

                            Historically that has been true, but if the CPC were to somehow split now I think the NDP would actually see a large increase in seats at the Liberals expense, since people wouldn't feel the need to keep strategically voting for the Liberals just to prevent consolidated Conservative rule. And I suspect that is also why the Liberals back-peddled so hard on their election reform promise, since the effect would have been similar for them due to it also reducing the need for people to throw strategic votes their way.

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            2. cfabbro
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              The various Provincial Liberal and Conservative parties are not officially connected to the Federal parties, but acting as if they are not in any way associated with each other, or that the...

              The various Provincial Liberal and Conservative parties are not officially connected to the Federal parties, but acting as if they are not in any way associated with each other, or that the Federal parties are incapable of influencing their Provincial counterparts, is incredibly disingenuous... especially since candidates moving between the Federal and Provincial levels isn't all that uncommon.

              E.g. Kenney was chosen by Harper to be his Parliamentary Secretary after becoming PM, and over the years was then appointed to various key Ministerial positions, before culminating in him becoming Minster of Defense. Kenney was even considered one of the forerunners to succeed Harper before he decided to resign, and run for the Alberta PC party leadership instead. So don't give me the "not a product of the CPC" BS, please. He absolutely is. The vast majority of his career was spent with the various incarnations of the Federal Conservative party (Reform->Alliance->CPC).

              5 votes
        2. [2]
          streblo
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          Are you serious? The Liberal climate plan is the only plan among all the parties that has support from the top climate researchers and economists in the country.. Here is Andrew Leach's take on...

          The hypocritical part is that the LPC also don't take it seriously. They are just willing to pay it lip service which is more than enough for much of the electorate. They are on track to miss each of their targets.

          Are you serious? The Liberal climate plan is the only plan among all the parties that has support from the top climate researchers and economists in the country..

          Here is Andrew Leach's take on their plan.

          If what you were saying is true, they'd be getting off that train. You're entitled to your opinion but please don't just make stuff up.

          3 votes
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            1. streblo
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              What are the alternatives? Production is way up in the oil sands and revenues are way down -- that's something that no one outside the green party is going to act too aggressively upon because its...

              What are the alternatives? Production is way up in the oil sands and revenues are way down -- that's something that no one outside the green party is going to act too aggressively upon because its economic suicide for Alberta. You should be happy that the government knows this, not using it as a talking point of convenience while holding up the party that wants to bury their head moreso than any other re: climate change.

              The Liberal climate platform is the best we have from all our parties, and certainly the best that will be getting worked on in an elected government. My point is that every non-partisan person who does this for a living is pointing to one climate plan above the others. That's evidence enough for me.

              3 votes
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      streblo
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      I mean this is pretty much just partisan hyperbole. I agree that the election is untimely in a pandemic but this is incorrect. Minority governments almost never last the full period, you either...

      After promising no election during the middle of the pandemic, Justin Trudeau has subjected Canada to a $610 million dollar election which is likely to result in zero change. It will be interesting to see if this effects his future as leader of his party or of he will be allowed to skate on.

      I mean this is pretty much just partisan hyperbole. I agree that the election is untimely in a pandemic but this

      despite having a mandate for another 3 years

      is incorrect. Minority governments almost never last the full period, you either call one on your terms or your opponents call one on theirs. The "$610 million" pricetag is ignoring the fact if we aren't having an election now, we're having one a year or two later for the same price -- it's not just a waste of $610 million.

      4 votes
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          streblo
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          Again, call one on your terms or get one called on you. That's just politics. Hardly an indefensible election.

          Again, call one on your terms or get one called on you. That's just politics. Hardly an indefensible election.

          2 votes
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            1. streblo
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              I suggest you take a look at the avergae length of a Canadian minority government and the reasons for the terminating election. This is hardly anything new. They are usually very short, around ~2...

              I suggest you take a look at the avergae length of a Canadian minority government and the reasons for the terminating election. This is hardly anything new.

              • They are usually very short, around ~2 years
              • They always end in the pro-active election called by the incumbents or by a non-confidence motion triggered by the opposition.
              1 vote
  2. [6]
    cfabbro
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    Kinda low-effort, but I saw this the other day and thought it was pretty funny and sadly spot on: https://www.thespec.com/opinion/editorial-cartoon/2021/09/18/sept-18-editorial-cartoon.html

    Kinda low-effort, but I saw this the other day and thought it was pretty funny and sadly spot on:
    https://www.thespec.com/opinion/editorial-cartoon/2021/09/18/sept-18-editorial-cartoon.html

    6 votes
    1. [4]
      Kuromantis
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      Alright, just a few questions: Why is BQ blocking Trudeau's view? Is the "Quebec Secularism" rock on Singh basically saying he's losing Quebecois votes becauese he wears religious clothing? Is the...

      Alright, just a few questions:

      • Why is BQ blocking Trudeau's view?

      • Is the "Quebec Secularism" rock on Singh basically saying he's losing Quebecois votes becauese he wears religious clothing?

      • Is the "Green party" rock behind the green party just a joke at the Green party being unlikable, a single issue party, etc. or is it about something else?

      • Who put their leg in front of Toole?

      • Who tried to put their leg in front of Trudeau?

      • What's the context behind the "JWR" book one of the spectators is holding?

      3 votes
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        streblo
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        I'll give this a go: Trudeau probably needs to do well in Quebec to deliver a majority. In of the debates, a moderator asked a very pointed question aimed at BQ leader Blanchet about their...

        I'll give this a go:

        Why is BQ blocking Trudeau's view?

        Trudeau probably needs to do well in Quebec to deliver a majority. In of the debates, a moderator asked a very pointed question aimed at BQ leader Blanchet about their infamous secularism law, Bill 21. Anyways, he was leading in Quebec until this question insulted many Quebecois and the BQ started to poll a lot better.

        Is the "Quebec Secularism" rock on Singh basically saying he's losing Quebecois votes becauese he wears religious clothing?

        Bill 21 is essentially antithetical to the NDP and largely the Liberals as well. But Quebec politics are different than the anglophone world and many leftwing voters are proponents. This has been hard to deal with for the NDP and has basically wiped away all their previous inroads into Quebec.

        Is the "Green party" rock behind the green party just a joke at the Green party being unlikable, a single issue party, etc. or is it about something else?

        The green party has been imploding ever since their new leader has taken over. They've lost a by-election and had one of their 3 sitting MPs cross the floor to join the Liberals. This has mostly been viewed by pundits as entirely an own-goal.

        Who put their leg in front of Toole?

        That's Jason Kenney. See my comments here.

        Who tried put their leg in front of Trudeau?

        The first one is Legault, who is the sitting premier for Quebec's CAQ party and endorsesd O'Toole this election.

        What's the context behind the "JWR" book one of the spectators is holding?

        This person also has their leg on the track, just not very effectively. :P JWR is a central figure of the SNC-Lavalin scandal that has dogged the Liberals since before the last election. She released a new book last week on the doorstep of the election to, depending on who you ask, sell books, get back at Trudeau, or highlight new information.

        6 votes
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            Hahah good catch I did not even see him there! Pretty fitting as well :P

            Hahah good catch I did not even see him there!

            Pretty fitting as well :P

            3 votes
      2. cfabbro
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        The Quebec Secularism rock behind Singh is likely in reference to his vocal opposition to Quebec's recent religious symbols ban for public employees, which may have killed the NDPs chances at...

        The Quebec Secularism rock behind Singh is likely in reference to his vocal opposition to Quebec's recent religious symbols ban for public employees, which may have killed the NDPs chances at gaining any seats in the Province.

        And as a result of that, the BQ is the main opponent to the Liberals in Quebec right now. And so the Liberals fate in this election may ultimately be decided by how well (or poorly) the BQ perform.

        And the Green party dragging a rock with their own name is due to them being their own worst enemy. The clusterfuck that occurred during their last leadership race being only one of many times they have shot themselves in the foot. And more recently, it also came to light that they have issues with racism and transphobia within the party.


        Didn't notice your edit until I posted this. So to answer those additional questions:

        The person putting his leg out in front of O'Toole is Jason Kenney, the Premier of Alberta, who is largely responsible for how bad things have gotten there now due to his horrible handling of COVID (which O'Toole praised shortly before the shit hit the fan there).

        The person putting his leg in front of Trudeau is François Legault, the Premier of Quebec, who recently endorsed O'Toole.

        And JWR is Jody Wilson-Raybould who recently put out a scathing book making mention of Trudeau's alleged interference during the SNC-Lavalin affair, amongst other things, like his supposed lip service to and inaction on Indigenous issues.

        4 votes
    2. streblo
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      That's both hilarious and accurate. :P

      That's both hilarious and accurate. :P

      2 votes
  3. streblo
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    In my opinion, the CPC have sunk themselves on this one from an extremely untimely endorsement of Alberta's COVID policies. I think they were a lock to win at least a minority until the healthcare...

    In my opinion, the CPC have sunk themselves on this one from an extremely untimely endorsement of Alberta's COVID policies. I think they were a lock to win at least a minority until the healthcare system in Alberta started to near collapse under COVID strain and the provincial government had to walk back their "open for summer" plans and institute a (totally not) vaccine mandate.

    Basically this is what O'Toole had to say several weeks before the healthcare system started imploding in Alberta.. He hasn't taken any questions from the media since, as he needs the anti-vax people who may vote PPC to show up and vote for him but also needs the moderates. No matter what he says he's going to alienate some of his voters and its been a pretty large wedge issue.

    I could be wrong but in my mind the pandemic is the number one issue this election and people want a party to vote for that also serves an outlet to vote AGAINST the anti-vaccine crowd. The CPC is not providing that, instead hoping to capture the strategic votes against the Liberals that might otherwise go to the PPC and in the end that's going to undo them.

    5 votes
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    Well so far it would appear that the early election gambit paid off 👀 And once again, Annamie Paul fails to get anyone's trust.

    Well so far it would appear that the early election gambit paid off 👀

    And once again, Annamie Paul fails to get anyone's trust.

    4 votes
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    Kuromantis
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    So, according to Elections Canada, this is what the election looks like: Party Seats Votes Bloc Québécois 29 7.9 % Conservative 121 33.7 % Green Party 2 2.2 % Liberal 155 33.8 % NDP-New Democratic...

    So, according to Elections Canada, this is what the election looks like:

    Party Seats Votes
    Bloc Québécois 29 7.9 %
    Conservative 121 33.7 %
    Green Party 2 2.2 %
    Liberal 155 33.8 %
    NDP-New Democratic Party 29 16.5 %
    People's Party - PPC 0 5.0 %

    What did you think of the results so far? Have the Liberals already won?

    4 votes
    1. [3]
      Thales
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      The Liberals will win a minority with the seat counts virtually unchanged and not much movement in the vote percentages either (aside from the implosion of the Greens and tentative rise of the...

      The Liberals will win a minority with the seat counts virtually unchanged and not much movement in the vote percentages either (aside from the implosion of the Greens and tentative rise of the PPC).

      The questions I have now are:

      1. How long will the minority government last?
      2. Who will the leaders be for the next election? (Paul out? O'Toole out?)

      Edit: I'm also curious to see how the mail-in ballots affect the numbers.

      3 votes
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        streblo
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        We'll probably be back at the polls in no more than 2 years would be my guess. Somewhat hard question to answer but here's my guesses. Trudeau stays on. People thinking this is a 'rebuke' and that...

        How long will the minority government last?

        We'll probably be back at the polls in no more than 2 years would be my guess.

        Who will the leaders be for the next election? (Paul out? O'Toole out?)

        Somewhat hard question to answer but here's my guesses.

        1. Trudeau stays on. People thinking this is a 'rebuke' and that he will step down are out to lunch imo. Not a convincing victory by any means but he has another mandate.
        2. O'Toole I hope can stay on but the knives will be out. Trudeau is perceived as very unpopular (I wouldn't say he's popular but he's also consistently underestimated) and their lack of increased seat count hurts, especially given the lead in the polls a couple weeks ago. Could go either way IMO.
        3. I think Singh did well enough to stay on but he should step down IMO. He's not very good at holding the Liberals to the fire, he's just too chill.
        4. Annamie Paul is toast. There's no coming back from her result or her decision to run in Toronto.
        5. Blanchet is very safe. He did better than expected, and there's no real pressure for him to win more either.
        6. Bernier isn't going anywhere either. Hard to say if his party will continue to have relevance -- in my opinion if they couldn't do it now they never will. But there's actually no mechanism in the PPC for him to be replaced so unless he steps down he will stay on.
        6 votes
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          1. streblo
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            I think when mail-ins come in the vote will be closer but the Conservatives will definitely lead. I think it's less of an issue for two reasons (but would be interesting to hear an American...

            I think when mail-ins come in the vote will be closer but the Conservatives will definitely lead.

            I think it's less of an issue for two reasons (but would be interesting to hear an American perspective as well):

            1. We're in a multi-party system so it's expected there's going to be a lot more idiosyncrasies in FPTP. Additionally the overall conservative popular vote still trails the overall progressive popular vote by a fair margin so its somewhat of a wash to me. For instance I personally didn't view the Harper years as inherently unfair or anything even though a maximum of ~40% of the country wanted conservative polices -- that's just the way the bread breaks sometimes in FPTP.

            2. The complaints chiefly pertain to the electoral college -- which has no equivalent here. The closest thing would be the US house election in which the Conservative party has uber gerrymandered themselves. Their problem is that the bluest of blue ridings run up Putin-esque numbers for the CPC, certain ridings in AB are 70-80% CPC while even in super red Toronto the Liberals are pulling in 60% at absolute best. I don't really think there is an answer to this kind of population distribution, even if you could 'redistrict' how would you even divide the sea of blue from SK to interior BC?

            I think maybe a few more elections like this one and who knows, maybe our Conservative friends will even take up the call of PR. ;)

            9 votes