Do you have a near by university? You run into this a lot in grad school. Usually you figure out if the library has a copy. Sometimes they'll have a digital copy available through their academic...
Do you have a near by university? You run into this a lot in grad school. Usually you figure out if the library has a copy. Sometimes they'll have a digital copy available through their academic licenses. You might also be able to work with your local public library but I'd try a university first.
If you have an affiliation with the school or some academic credentials you could also try a faculty member.
Sadly there is no university in close contact to me. I wonder if I could call one though, just to ask. I figured they would not help me if I'm not a student. I didn't want to waste their time if...
Sadly there is no university in close contact to me. I wonder if I could call one though, just to ask. I figured they would not help me if I'm not a student. I didn't want to waste their time if I'm not a student there. I will still give it a shot.
EDIT: I called my local library, who pointed me to a local university library. It seems I might be able to request an inter library loan of the article in question, from the university library. Thank you guys!
Looking at the article, it's still being cited in 2022 and 2023. Send those authors an email and ask if they might have a copy they can send you? If that doesn't work, look for any...
Looking at the article, it's still being cited in 2022 and 2023. Send those authors an email and ask if they might have a copy they can send you?
If that doesn't work, look for any students/younger people they wrote a lot of papers with (a successor basically) and email them asking if they have copies.
Yes, it's a heavily cited article. I thought about doing this, but I didn't want to bother them. Do you think it's out of line to do so? I understand reaching out to say "can you share a copy of...
Yes, it's a heavily cited article. I thought about doing this, but I didn't want to bother them. Do you think it's out of line to do so? I understand reaching out to say "can you share a copy of your paper", but to request a copy of a paper they cited seemed like I'd be dumping work on them.
Thank you, I will do this! I actually found someone's PhD thesis that had cited this article, and I thought of reaching out to them. I'm assuming they must have labored over it long enough that...
Thank you, I will do this! I actually found someone's PhD thesis that had cited this article, and I thought of reaching out to them. I'm assuming they must have labored over it long enough that they have all this stuff still :)
Worst they can say is no. I've contacted more than a few authors, most are happy to help, the rest are usually helpful even if they're... Well, short(?) about it.
Worst they can say is no. I've contacted more than a few authors, most are happy to help, the rest are usually helpful even if they're... Well, short(?) about it.
This is good to know. I reached out to someone recently for a copy of an article they'd written, and they were happy to oblige. I was surprised by how helpful they were.
This is good to know. I reached out to someone recently for a copy of an article they'd written, and they were happy to oblige. I was surprised by how helpful they were.
Well, think of it this way, if they share their work it's more likely to be cited and the more citations a work has the more visibility that work has, so it's in the authors best interest to...
Well, think of it this way, if they share their work it's more likely to be cited and the more citations a work has the more visibility that work has, so it's in the authors best interest to assist in spreading their work.
Have you tried a local (or slightly larger than local) library? Not necessarily that I’d expect them to have it there on hand, but the couple of librarians I’ve known would jump at the minor...
Have you tried a local (or slightly larger than local) library? Not necessarily that I’d expect them to have it there on hand, but the couple of librarians I’ve known would jump at the minor mystery of tracking it down, and they’ll absolutely have the knowledge/contacts/database access to do so.
Alternatively, if you can at least find the publisher of the journal they’ll likely maintain an archive even if that specific publication is defunct, and you can contact them directly - that might be tricky in itself depending how many mergers and acquisitions there have been between then and now, but there’s a fairly solid chance it’ll end up being Elsevier, Springer, or Taylor & Francis just on pure numbers.
Final option would be to post the Pubmed link here and nerd snipe us all with the challenge of finding it!
There is a library in my town. They are not an academic library, but the librarians there are so helpful. I am going to call them! The journal is called "Advances in Neurology", but to be honest I...
There is a library in my town. They are not an academic library, but the librarians there are so helpful. I am going to call them! The journal is called "Advances in Neurology", but to be honest I can not find details of them any longer (no website, etc.).
Do you know how to locate the publisher of a journal? Any tips on that is appreciated.
Looks like Advances in Neurology was a series published by the journal Archives of Neurology, which is now JAMA Neurology. That might be a starting point for you :) Edit: everything from 1992...
Looks like Advances in Neurology was a series published by the journal Archives of Neurology, which is now JAMA Neurology. That might be a starting point for you :)
I searched for “advances in neurology journal” and then could see that JAMA was coming up. I used to work writing science papers and doing research so I recognise that and could search within that...
I searched for “advances in neurology journal” and then could see that JAMA was coming up. I used to work writing science papers and doing research so I recognise that and could search within that frame. It’s certainly not difficult but it does require a little bit of experience!
This is such a unique (and useful) skill set to have. I have been really confused where to start with researching old articles. I can't seem to find out how to do it online. Maybe it is just one...
This is such a unique (and useful) skill set to have. I have been really confused where to start with researching old articles. I can't seem to find out how to do it online. Maybe it is just one of those things that you figure out as you go.
Damn, you guys know your stuff. I didn't realize you could look up data on journals like this. Ok, looks like this journal ended in 2006. But according to other comments, it was published by what...
Damn, you guys know your stuff. I didn't realize you could look up data on journals like this. Ok, looks like this journal ended in 2006. But according to other comments, it was published by what is now JAMA Neurology. So this is a good starting point for me.
Thanks! I used to work in the field so it’s fun to have a use for a bit of the old knowledge that’s still rattling around in there. I did a little more searching and did come across the JAMA...
Thanks! I used to work in the field so it’s fun to have a use for a bit of the old knowledge that’s still rattling around in there.
I did a little more searching and did come across the JAMA series, but I’m not certain it’s the same thing you’re looking for - identically titled, which is rather confusing, but I think that may have been the name for a regular series of articles within a different journal (Archives of Neurology).
The ISSN (0091-3952 in this case, per the NLM link) for Advances in Neurology is a great search term to get into more detail, because it cuts through any ambiguity: https://worldcat.org/search?q=n2:00913952
Yes! That Archives of Neurology keeps tripping me up, because I end up finding it as a resource, rather than Advances in Neurology. This is awesome: https://worldcat.org/title/1779104 That is...
Yes! That Archives of Neurology keeps tripping me up, because I end up finding it as a resource, rather than Advances in Neurology.
This is awesome: https://worldcat.org/title/1779104 That is indeed the journal. This tells me which libraries have access. Crazy! Thank you guys, I didn't even know about worldcat until today. Great resource to have on hand.
I did this once for an old math paper from the early 1900s. Search for it on WorldCat. If you’re lucky, a university close enough to you to travel to will have a copy, and they will probably have...
I did this once for an old math paper from the early 1900s.
Search for it on WorldCat. If you’re lucky, a university close enough to you to travel to will have a copy, and they will probably have some way you can access it. If not, you still have some options. In my case, only two universities in the US had a copy of the paper I was looking for. What I did: join a discord server for students at that university majoring in whatever subject the journal is concerned with, and then as politely as possible ask if anyone would be willing to check out the materials from the library for you (a lot of university libraries will even digitize it for you. In my case they actually didn’t even provide the option of physically checking it out because of how fragile the paper had become). Oh yeah also it helps if you offer anyone willing to help you like ten bucks or something. More if they are going to scan it for you.
Damn, this is an excellent resource. Joining the discord was clever as hell. I would never even think of that. You were really determined to get that paper haha
Damn, this is an excellent resource. Joining the discord was clever as hell. I would never even think of that. You were really determined to get that paper haha
Ask your librarian. If the authors are still alive try emailing them to ask for a copy. Without knowing the name of the journal or the name of the article people's ability to help is going to be...
Ask your librarian. If the authors are still alive try emailing them to ask for a copy.
Without knowing the name of the journal or the name of the article people's ability to help is going to be limited to "search Archive.org", or "check sci hub".
Thank you so much. Unfortunately, both authors are deceased. I might reach out to the author's affiliations, but I believe they were practicing physicians, and were not working at universities....
Thank you so much. Unfortunately, both authors are deceased. I might reach out to the author's affiliations, but I believe they were practicing physicians, and were not working at universities. The name of the journal was "Advances in Neurology".
Pretty much every librarian I knew in grad school loved helping me track down articles. I'd show up with a citation and be like "hey, I can't find this article on line, can you help me". They...
Pretty much every librarian I knew in grad school loved helping me track down articles. I'd show up with a citation and be like "hey, I can't find this article on line, can you help me". They would look at it and say give me a day. They never failed me. It might have been a photocopy directly from the journal, or printed from microfiche, either way, they would find it. Librarians are heros!
I ended up calling several librarians today after I posted this thread. They were really happy to help me track it down. One of them, when I apologized for taking their time, said "please, we live...
I ended up calling several librarians today after I posted this thread. They were really happy to help me track it down. One of them, when I apologized for taking their time, said "please, we live for this" :) I think she was enjoying the search.
I did end up finding a library that has a physical copy of the journal in question. It seems though due to copyright laws they are unable to make digital copies of an entire journal. I might be able to request a single article from the journal. However, I reached out to an author who had cited that paper in a recent study to see if they had a copy to share. I'll see what happens. Hopefully the tips in this thread will be useful to someone else other than myself
Do you have a near by university? You run into this a lot in grad school. Usually you figure out if the library has a copy. Sometimes they'll have a digital copy available through their academic licenses. You might also be able to work with your local public library but I'd try a university first.
If you have an affiliation with the school or some academic credentials you could also try a faculty member.
Sadly there is no university in close contact to me. I wonder if I could call one though, just to ask. I figured they would not help me if I'm not a student. I didn't want to waste their time if I'm not a student there. I will still give it a shot.
EDIT: I called my local library, who pointed me to a local university library. It seems I might be able to request an inter library loan of the article in question, from the university library. Thank you guys!
Looking at the article, it's still being cited in 2022 and 2023. Send those authors an email and ask if they might have a copy they can send you?
If that doesn't work, look for any students/younger people they wrote a lot of papers with (a successor basically) and email them asking if they have copies.
Yes, it's a heavily cited article. I thought about doing this, but I didn't want to bother them. Do you think it's out of line to do so? I understand reaching out to say "can you share a copy of your paper", but to request a copy of a paper they cited seemed like I'd be dumping work on them.
Most authors would just be happy to hear from someone who found their work :) I don't think it's out of line.
Thank you, I will do this! I actually found someone's PhD thesis that had cited this article, and I thought of reaching out to them. I'm assuming they must have labored over it long enough that they have all this stuff still :)
Worst they can say is no. I've contacted more than a few authors, most are happy to help, the rest are usually helpful even if they're... Well, short(?) about it.
This is good to know. I reached out to someone recently for a copy of an article they'd written, and they were happy to oblige. I was surprised by how helpful they were.
Well, think of it this way, if they share their work it's more likely to be cited and the more citations a work has the more visibility that work has, so it's in the authors best interest to assist in spreading their work.
This is perfectly normal and welcome in academia. Though it's not guaranteed they kept the pdf.
Have you tried a local (or slightly larger than local) library? Not necessarily that I’d expect them to have it there on hand, but the couple of librarians I’ve known would jump at the minor mystery of tracking it down, and they’ll absolutely have the knowledge/contacts/database access to do so.
Alternatively, if you can at least find the publisher of the journal they’ll likely maintain an archive even if that specific publication is defunct, and you can contact them directly - that might be tricky in itself depending how many mergers and acquisitions there have been between then and now, but there’s a fairly solid chance it’ll end up being Elsevier, Springer, or Taylor & Francis just on pure numbers.
Final option would be to post the Pubmed link here and nerd snipe us all with the challenge of finding it!
There is a library in my town. They are not an academic library, but the librarians there are so helpful. I am going to call them! The journal is called "Advances in Neurology", but to be honest I can not find details of them any longer (no website, etc.).
Do you know how to locate the publisher of a journal? Any tips on that is appreciated.
Looks like Advances in Neurology was a series published by the journal Archives of Neurology, which is now JAMA Neurology. That might be a starting point for you :)
Edit: everything from 1992 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/issue/49/1
Wow! How did you find this? Do you mind sharing? I am not skilled in this area. Would love to know how you did this!
I searched for “advances in neurology journal” and then could see that JAMA was coming up. I used to work writing science papers and doing research so I recognise that and could search within that frame. It’s certainly not difficult but it does require a little bit of experience!
This is such a unique (and useful) skill set to have. I have been really confused where to start with researching old articles. I can't seem to find out how to do it online. Maybe it is just one of those things that you figure out as you go.
The NLM catalog should have metadata if it’s on Pubmed - in this case I’m reasonably sure it’s: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nlmcatalog/?term=(Advances+in+neurology%5BTitle%5D)+AND+Periodical%5BPublication+Type%5D
Damn, you guys know your stuff. I didn't realize you could look up data on journals like this. Ok, looks like this journal ended in 2006. But according to other comments, it was published by what is now JAMA Neurology. So this is a good starting point for me.
Thanks! I used to work in the field so it’s fun to have a use for a bit of the old knowledge that’s still rattling around in there.
I did a little more searching and did come across the JAMA series, but I’m not certain it’s the same thing you’re looking for - identically titled, which is rather confusing, but I think that may have been the name for a regular series of articles within a different journal (Archives of Neurology).
The ISSN (0091-3952 in this case, per the NLM link) for Advances in Neurology is a great search term to get into more detail, because it cuts through any ambiguity: https://worldcat.org/search?q=n2:00913952
Yes! That Archives of Neurology keeps tripping me up, because I end up finding it as a resource, rather than Advances in Neurology.
This is awesome: https://worldcat.org/title/1779104 That is indeed the journal. This tells me which libraries have access. Crazy! Thank you guys, I didn't even know about worldcat until today. Great resource to have on hand.
I did this once for an old math paper from the early 1900s.
Search for it on WorldCat. If you’re lucky, a university close enough to you to travel to will have a copy, and they will probably have some way you can access it. If not, you still have some options. In my case, only two universities in the US had a copy of the paper I was looking for. What I did: join a discord server for students at that university majoring in whatever subject the journal is concerned with, and then as politely as possible ask if anyone would be willing to check out the materials from the library for you (a lot of university libraries will even digitize it for you. In my case they actually didn’t even provide the option of physically checking it out because of how fragile the paper had become). Oh yeah also it helps if you offer anyone willing to help you like ten bucks or something. More if they are going to scan it for you.
Damn, this is an excellent resource. Joining the discord was clever as hell. I would never even think of that. You were really determined to get that paper haha
Did you ever get the paper?
I did, and now you can find it here: https://archive.org/details/uber-eine-eigenschaft-thue
Ask your librarian. If the authors are still alive try emailing them to ask for a copy.
Without knowing the name of the journal or the name of the article people's ability to help is going to be limited to "search Archive.org", or "check sci hub".
Thank you so much. Unfortunately, both authors are deceased. I might reach out to the author's affiliations, but I believe they were practicing physicians, and were not working at universities. The name of the journal was "Advances in Neurology".
good idea about archive.org, I will check there.
Pretty much every librarian I knew in grad school loved helping me track down articles. I'd show up with a citation and be like "hey, I can't find this article on line, can you help me". They would look at it and say give me a day. They never failed me. It might have been a photocopy directly from the journal, or printed from microfiche, either way, they would find it. Librarians are heros!
I ended up calling several librarians today after I posted this thread. They were really happy to help me track it down. One of them, when I apologized for taking their time, said "please, we live for this" :) I think she was enjoying the search.
I did end up finding a library that has a physical copy of the journal in question. It seems though due to copyright laws they are unable to make digital copies of an entire journal. I might be able to request a single article from the journal. However, I reached out to an author who had cited that paper in a recent study to see if they had a copy to share. I'll see what happens. Hopefully the tips in this thread will be useful to someone else other than myself