I know people are against these and I understand why. Personally, I hope someone figures them out and makes it viable. Imagine just turning off Parkinson's? Imagine (distant future, I know) just...
I know people are against these and I understand why.
Personally, I hope someone figures them out and makes it viable. Imagine just turning off Parkinson's? Imagine (distant future, I know) just playing a quick game in your head while you wait for your dinner? Communicating with someone brain to brain? It'll be amazing and horrible. Can't wait.
Not my field at all (disclaimer). I am not against them precisely. I was disturbed by the reports of primate abuse that came out of the Musk affiliated research through the UC Davis Primate Center...
Not my field at all (disclaimer). I am not against them precisely. I was disturbed by the reports of primate abuse that came out of the Musk affiliated research through the UC Davis Primate Center as reported in I think Wired magazine.
If these can work, then great, but the cost to develop them seems likely to be high. I am nervous about future horror stories. I am nervous that early adopters (ALS patients for Musk affiliated human trials) will be sacrificed and suffer a lot of unnecessary harm from recklessness and that they will be treated with less care because they are doomed to die soon anyway.
Yeah, ignoring the potential that they're going to blast ads straight to my brain, it seems like at least Neuralink is rushing and making a mess of suffering along the way. Which doesn't bode well...
Yeah, ignoring the potential that they're going to blast ads straight to my brain, it seems like at least Neuralink is rushing and making a mess of suffering along the way. Which doesn't bode well for the upcoming steps.
I simply don't trust someone like Musk, or really any billionaire. Profoundly intimate tech like this that's being moved forward through a capitalist motivations is too problematic. Medicine...
I simply don't trust someone like Musk, or really any billionaire. Profoundly intimate tech like this that's being moved forward through a capitalist motivations is too problematic.
Medicine should be a human right, and the public should be the ones supporting and owning this kind of tech, transparently.
I align with you politically it sounds like, and I agree with you in theory. In practice, I don't see anyone else ever investing this much time and money into a technology. No government on Earth...
I align with you politically it sounds like, and I agree with you in theory.
In practice, I don't see anyone else ever investing this much time and money into a technology. No government on Earth would have the resources or will.
Capitalism sucks until we need it, unfortunately. I think we may move past that someday but not yet. My guess is that capitalists will move this tech forward, make their buck, and then it'll eventually get mixed in with government and social programs since it'll be so pivotal for mankind (assuming it works). But that's a long term thing.
A government could invest far more into this kind of thing than even a very wealthy individual, it's a matter of democratically constructing a government made of people who prioritize things like...
A government could invest far more into this kind of thing than even a very wealthy individual, it's a matter of democratically constructing a government made of people who prioritize things like the right to healthcare. Publically funded healthcare is far more efficient and produces long-term gains economically, removing the profit motive is a no-brainer.
Even in a capitalist society, taxing the billionaires appropriately would make this kind of thing possible and take the power out of the hands of people like Musk. There's no good reason to allow an individual to decide the course of this tech, rather than have it democratically available and locked behind a profit motive.
I think our ability to imagine what's possible is stunted by being raised in a capitalist society, we don't need billionaires, they need us.
Again, this is something I agree with in theory. I just don't think humanity is there yet. We can't even get everyone to agree to government funded healthcare. No fucking way they agree to...
Again, this is something I agree with in theory. I just don't think humanity is there yet. We can't even get everyone to agree to government funded healthcare. No fucking way they agree to experimental tech that may or may not pay off.
Imagine the cheap political points that could be scored by saying, "I'm going to stop this country from wasting money on useless research into gizmos that never pan out. We need to balance the budget! We need to forget Mars, forget brain implants, and remember family values."
Lol the right wing applause would be deafening.
I hate it, but capitalists have an inherent incentive to pursue cutting edge tech and be first to market with it. I yearn for a future time when humanity doesn't need capitalism but I honestly cannot imagine it working like we want yet.
Government funded medical research isn't some kind of far fetched sci fi concept. I think maybe you're thinking far too conservatively on this. If a private company can do it, and there is a real...
Government funded medical research isn't some kind of far fetched sci fi concept. I think maybe you're thinking far too conservatively on this. If a private company can do it, and there is a real medical need, then it can be funded as a government program independent of private interests. It doesn't require humanity to live in communist space domes on Mars or whatever. In the same way that we have publicly funded vaccines and other medicine, we can have publicly funded medical devices.
Medical researchers are not compelled by a profit motive, they are instead forced to use that route due to existing in a hyper-capitalist society. The people who have a profit motive are the CEOs, not the scientists.
I half-suspect you already know this, but you should look up deep brain stimulation (dbs). The before/after videos where there's a near complete stop of the shaking is always impressive to see....
Imagine just turning off Parkinson's?
I half-suspect you already know this, but you should look up deep brain stimulation (dbs). The before/after videos where there's a near complete stop of the shaking is always impressive to see. And it's an approved treatment since before some tildian were born ! (2003)
They are working versions of what this can do, problem is that they are big and still require external hardware. Brain implants help paralysed man to walk again
They are working versions of what this can do, problem is that they are big and still require external hardware.
I know people are against these and I understand why.
Personally, I hope someone figures them out and makes it viable. Imagine just turning off Parkinson's? Imagine (distant future, I know) just playing a quick game in your head while you wait for your dinner? Communicating with someone brain to brain? It'll be amazing and horrible. Can't wait.
Not my field at all (disclaimer). I am not against them precisely. I was disturbed by the reports of primate abuse that came out of the Musk affiliated research through the UC Davis Primate Center as reported in I think Wired magazine.
If these can work, then great, but the cost to develop them seems likely to be high. I am nervous about future horror stories. I am nervous that early adopters (ALS patients for Musk affiliated human trials) will be sacrificed and suffer a lot of unnecessary harm from recklessness and that they will be treated with less care because they are doomed to die soon anyway.
Yeah, ignoring the potential that they're going to blast ads straight to my brain, it seems like at least Neuralink is rushing and making a mess of suffering along the way. Which doesn't bode well for the upcoming steps.
I simply don't trust someone like Musk, or really any billionaire. Profoundly intimate tech like this that's being moved forward through a capitalist motivations is too problematic.
Medicine should be a human right, and the public should be the ones supporting and owning this kind of tech, transparently.
I align with you politically it sounds like, and I agree with you in theory.
In practice, I don't see anyone else ever investing this much time and money into a technology. No government on Earth would have the resources or will.
Capitalism sucks until we need it, unfortunately. I think we may move past that someday but not yet. My guess is that capitalists will move this tech forward, make their buck, and then it'll eventually get mixed in with government and social programs since it'll be so pivotal for mankind (assuming it works). But that's a long term thing.
A government could invest far more into this kind of thing than even a very wealthy individual, it's a matter of democratically constructing a government made of people who prioritize things like the right to healthcare. Publically funded healthcare is far more efficient and produces long-term gains economically, removing the profit motive is a no-brainer.
Even in a capitalist society, taxing the billionaires appropriately would make this kind of thing possible and take the power out of the hands of people like Musk. There's no good reason to allow an individual to decide the course of this tech, rather than have it democratically available and locked behind a profit motive.
I think our ability to imagine what's possible is stunted by being raised in a capitalist society, we don't need billionaires, they need us.
Again, this is something I agree with in theory. I just don't think humanity is there yet. We can't even get everyone to agree to government funded healthcare. No fucking way they agree to experimental tech that may or may not pay off.
Imagine the cheap political points that could be scored by saying, "I'm going to stop this country from wasting money on useless research into gizmos that never pan out. We need to balance the budget! We need to forget Mars, forget brain implants, and remember family values."
Lol the right wing applause would be deafening.
I hate it, but capitalists have an inherent incentive to pursue cutting edge tech and be first to market with it. I yearn for a future time when humanity doesn't need capitalism but I honestly cannot imagine it working like we want yet.
Government funded medical research isn't some kind of far fetched sci fi concept. I think maybe you're thinking far too conservatively on this. If a private company can do it, and there is a real medical need, then it can be funded as a government program independent of private interests. It doesn't require humanity to live in communist space domes on Mars or whatever. In the same way that we have publicly funded vaccines and other medicine, we can have publicly funded medical devices.
Medical researchers are not compelled by a profit motive, they are instead forced to use that route due to existing in a hyper-capitalist society. The people who have a profit motive are the CEOs, not the scientists.
I half-suspect you already know this, but you should look up deep brain stimulation (dbs). The before/after videos where there's a near complete stop of the shaking is always impressive to see. And it's an approved treatment since before some tildian were born ! (2003)
They are working versions of what this can do, problem is that they are big and still require external hardware.
Brain implants help paralysed man to walk again
One of the few reasons I enjoy living in the future.