A thread on Twitter I read the other day that expands on that more, from another Italian doctor: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237142891077697538.html
Here is another thread with the experiences of an Italian ICU Doctor. Translated and tweeted by an Italian with PhD in Epidemiology and Public Health...
Here is another thread with the experiences of an Italian ICU Doctor. Translated and tweeted by an Italian with PhD in Epidemiology and Public Health
This is proving to be an interesting, down-to-earth interview re: coronavirus that would be worth a listen to get some of the false information cleared up.
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This is proving to be an interesting, down-to-earth interview re: coronavirus that would be worth a listen to get some of the false information cleared up.
Hmm, I don't suppose there are ever transcripts for these interviews? You've got me a little curious, but I really do not want to watch a talking-head interview.
Hmm, I don't suppose there are ever transcripts for these interviews? You've got me a little curious, but I really do not want to watch a talking-head interview.
https://www.podgist.com/joe-rogan-experience/index.html seems to have transcripts of most of the recent episodes, but it may be a few more days before they release this one.
Apparently it was popular/pertinent enough that it got bumped up in priority over the others before it: https://www.podgist.com/joe-rogan-experience/1439-michael-osterholm/index.html However it...
However it should be noted that there are currently still quite a few transcription errors in it, though thankfully since you can also listen along to the various parts by clicking the timstamps next to the text that it isn't too hard to follow.
I learned a lot about COVID-19 from this episode. It's unfortunate that the show isnt on Spotify or I would probably listen to it again. He asked all the questions that I would want asked and it...
I learned a lot about COVID-19 from this episode. It's unfortunate that the show isnt on Spotify or I would probably listen to it again. He asked all the questions that I would want asked and it cleared up a lot of misconceptions I had about the virus.
+1 for posting. If anyone has any other recommended episodes, I would be game for adding them to a future listen queue.
Based on people Joe Rogan has had on his podcast in the past, this would make me trust someone less. He’s spread plenty of false and misleading information in the past.
Based on people Joe Rogan has had on his podcast in the past, this would make me trust someone less. He’s spread plenty of false and misleading information in the past.
Right, I was referring to the doctor when you said: "this would make me trust someone less." The doctor has a good reputation. While it's definitely advisable to be skeptical of everyone Joe...
Right, I was referring to the doctor when you said: "this would make me trust someone less."
The doctor has a good reputation. While it's definitely advisable to be skeptical of everyone Joe brings to the show, it doesn't make every person bad.
I'm not a big JRE fan or anything -- but a friend is. I got about halfway through and looked him up on wikipedia and he seems legit. He seems really level headed and realistic about it all, which...
I'm not a big JRE fan or anything -- but a friend is. I got about halfway through and looked him up on wikipedia and he seems legit. He seems really level headed and realistic about it all, which is both terrifying and comforting. :)
He's had lots of people on the podcast, ranging from neuroscientists to conspiracy theorists, that's his thing. One has to be open-minded to have such a wide variety of guests, I feel like it's...
He's had lots of people on the podcast, ranging from neuroscientists to conspiracy theorists, that's his thing. One has to be open-minded to have such a wide variety of guests, I feel like it's unfair to dismiss him based on that. Alex Jones episodes are actually pretty entertaining to watch, it's a good laugh if you approach it as comedy.
He's certainly a dude-bro-DMT-deer-meat kind of guy, but the conversations are great and the long format of the show allows for a lot of nuance in them. You should give it a go.
I get what you’re saying, but by letting those more fringe guests on the same show as a world renowned doctor, it helps legitimize them. That’s what I don’t like.
I get what you’re saying, but by letting those more fringe guests on the same show as a world renowned doctor, it helps legitimize them. That’s what I don’t like.
I'm not super into the JRE, but I see this argument all the time. Do you care to elaborate on how you think it legitimizes them? I've watched the Alex Jones and Ben Shapiro episodes and they both...
I'm not super into the JRE, but I see this argument all the time. Do you care to elaborate on how you think it legitimizes them? I've watched the Alex Jones and Ben Shapiro episodes and they both came off as nothing but idiotic their entire interviews.
It gives those fringe guests more credibility if the first time you see them they are on a popular show with legitimate guests. If you see Ben Shapiro on the same show as a well respected doctor,...
It gives those fringe guests more credibility if the first time you see them they are on a popular show with legitimate guests.
If you see Ben Shapiro on the same show as a well respected doctor, you might think he's more well respected than he is.
Isn't that kind of not giving enough credit to people? Like I mentioned, watching those episodes it's pretty clear how illegitimate Jones and Shapiro are. I'd also wager you're aware who those...
Isn't that kind of not giving enough credit to people? Like I mentioned, watching those episodes it's pretty clear how illegitimate Jones and Shapiro are. I'd also wager you're aware who those people are if you are listening to a high profile podcast like JRE.
Just as a personal anecdote, one of my friends was really huge into JRE and some of the associated stuff. He was a smart guy overall, but he would still give a lot of credence to practically...
Just as a personal anecdote, one of my friends was really huge into JRE and some of the associated stuff. He was a smart guy overall, but he would still give a lot of credence to practically anyone that was on the show. It was one of his main ways of getting introduced to new topics or people. He ended up getting really into Jordan Peterson because of it, and would even say things like, "yeah, some of the stuff Alex Jones says is pretty crazy, but he's obviously onto something with some of it."
He probably would have never had any exposure to some of these people otherwise, and had some inherent trust of them based on Joe Rogan putting them on his show.
Given just how many people are easily fooled by false news stories on Facebook and the obvious, provably false statements coming from Trump, I've stopped giving people credit for having common sense.
Given just how many people are easily fooled by false news stories on Facebook and the obvious, provably false statements coming from Trump, I've stopped giving people credit for having common sense.
I don't listen to him and don't have a particularly strong opinion, but I've heard other people don't agree with him giving every guest a fair platform. Some bad faith actors like Ben Shapiro,...
I don't listen to him and don't have a particularly strong opinion, but I've heard other people don't agree with him giving every guest a fair platform.
Some bad faith actors like Ben Shapiro, Milo, Alex Jones, etc. probably shouldn't be able to use his wildly popular show to promote their bullshit.
I guess as someone who has a platform which is consumed by a few million people, Joe Rogan needs to understand what his action of providing a platform for white-supremacists and other such actors...
I guess as someone who has a platform which is consumed by a few million people, Joe Rogan needs to understand what his action of providing a platform for white-supremacists and other such actors to spread their propaganda is doing.
You may take what he (and the guests on his show) with a grain of salt, and consider things a little more critically; but most people consuming his show may not.
I think this is a good video from PhilosophyTube which talks about the downsides of providing a platform for bad-faith actors to spread their propaganda.
If you don't want to spend the time watching that video the closing synopsis of it is:
Traditionally in philosophy it is considered good to interpret what somebody is saying as possibly true, but when it comes to propaganda, that instinct won't serve you well; and of course the tricky thing about propaganda is that it doesn't come with a warning label. In general if you're hearing somebody speak or if you're offering a platform for someone to speak, don't just think of their content of their opinions in the abstract; which they are of course entitled to. Think about what specific acts of speech are doing
A thread on Twitter I read the other day that expands on that more, from another Italian doctor: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237142891077697538.html
Here is another thread with the experiences of an Italian ICU Doctor. Translated and tweeted by an Italian with PhD in Epidemiology and Public Health
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236933818654896129.html
This is proving to be an interesting, down-to-earth interview re: coronavirus that would be worth a listen to get some of the false information cleared up.
Hmm, I don't suppose there are ever transcripts for these interviews? You've got me a little curious, but I really do not want to watch a talking-head interview.
https://www.podgist.com/joe-rogan-experience/index.html seems to have transcripts of most of the recent episodes, but it may be a few more days before they release this one.
Apparently it was popular/pertinent enough that it got bumped up in priority over the others before it:
https://www.podgist.com/joe-rogan-experience/1439-michael-osterholm/index.html
However it should be noted that there are currently still quite a few transcription errors in it, though thankfully since you can also listen along to the various parts by clicking the timstamps next to the text that it isn't too hard to follow.
Yes, it's very rough, but thanks!
I learned a lot about COVID-19 from this episode. It's unfortunate that the show isnt on Spotify or I would probably listen to it again. He asked all the questions that I would want asked and it cleared up a lot of misconceptions I had about the virus.
+1 for posting. If anyone has any other recommended episodes, I would be game for adding them to a future listen queue.
Based on people Joe Rogan has had on his podcast in the past, this would make me trust someone less. He’s spread plenty of false and misleading information in the past.
He seems to have a pretty solid wikipedia page, can't find any evidence of him peddling bad information in the past.
I was referring to Joe Rogan, not the doctor.
Well then, I wouldn't recommend taking medical advice from Joe anyways. The doctor on the other hand...
Right, I was referring to the doctor when you said: "this would make me trust someone less."
The doctor has a good reputation. While it's definitely advisable to be skeptical of everyone Joe brings to the show, it doesn't make every person bad.
I'm not a big JRE fan or anything -- but a friend is. I got about halfway through and looked him up on wikipedia and he seems legit. He seems really level headed and realistic about it all, which is both terrifying and comforting. :)
He's had lots of people on the podcast, ranging from neuroscientists to conspiracy theorists, that's his thing. One has to be open-minded to have such a wide variety of guests, I feel like it's unfair to dismiss him based on that. Alex Jones episodes are actually pretty entertaining to watch, it's a good laugh if you approach it as comedy.
He's certainly a dude-bro-DMT-deer-meat kind of guy, but the conversations are great and the long format of the show allows for a lot of nuance in them. You should give it a go.
I get what you’re saying, but by letting those more fringe guests on the same show as a world renowned doctor, it helps legitimize them. That’s what I don’t like.
I'm not super into the JRE, but I see this argument all the time. Do you care to elaborate on how you think it legitimizes them? I've watched the Alex Jones and Ben Shapiro episodes and they both came off as nothing but idiotic their entire interviews.
It gives those fringe guests more credibility if the first time you see them they are on a popular show with legitimate guests.
If you see Ben Shapiro on the same show as a well respected doctor, you might think he's more well respected than he is.
Isn't that kind of not giving enough credit to people? Like I mentioned, watching those episodes it's pretty clear how illegitimate Jones and Shapiro are. I'd also wager you're aware who those people are if you are listening to a high profile podcast like JRE.
Just as a personal anecdote, one of my friends was really huge into JRE and some of the associated stuff. He was a smart guy overall, but he would still give a lot of credence to practically anyone that was on the show. It was one of his main ways of getting introduced to new topics or people. He ended up getting really into Jordan Peterson because of it, and would even say things like, "yeah, some of the stuff Alex Jones says is pretty crazy, but he's obviously onto something with some of it."
He probably would have never had any exposure to some of these people otherwise, and had some inherent trust of them based on Joe Rogan putting them on his show.
Given just how many people are easily fooled by false news stories on Facebook and the obvious, provably false statements coming from Trump, I've stopped giving people credit for having common sense.
I don't listen to him and don't have a particularly strong opinion, but I've heard other people don't agree with him giving every guest a fair platform.
Some bad faith actors like Ben Shapiro, Milo, Alex Jones, etc. probably shouldn't be able to use his wildly popular show to promote their bullshit.
I guess as someone who has a platform which is consumed by a few million people, Joe Rogan needs to understand what his action of providing a platform for white-supremacists and other such actors to spread their propaganda is doing.
You may take what he (and the guests on his show) with a grain of salt, and consider things a little more critically; but most people consuming his show may not.
I think this is a good video from PhilosophyTube which talks about the downsides of providing a platform for bad-faith actors to spread their propaganda.
If you don't want to spend the time watching that video the closing synopsis of it is: