The reality is that many families desperately asking for children do still choose which embryos they want to get. Embryo adoption will not be a solution to the vast majority of them, whose parents...
They asked their clinic if they could use another family’s embryos, but they wanted to know the family’s medical history, which health care privacy laws didn’t allow.
The reality is that many families desperately asking for children do still choose which embryos they want to get. Embryo adoption will not be a solution to the vast majority of them, whose parents and extended family contain somebody who's neurospicy or has heart condition or whatever.
gave birth to two boys through IVF, they were stunned to learn that they had five extra embryos
Many IF couples are so focused on achieving that first baby that they gave very little thought to this question. Many read the paperwork and nodded to options like compassionate implantation or science donation or outright destruction or donation and indefinite freezing and went on with the best of intentions. But circumstances change, and carrying out the original intentions can become prohibitively expensive, or legal issues might be complicated if the couple splits, and "life happens".
Berning, 29, loved the idea of imagining embryos grown into people. She and her husband founded a nonprofit called Let Them Live, which offers pregnant women money for food, rent and other bills, along with financial counseling, if they’ll pledge not to have abortions
What a great person, putting her time and money where her beliefs are. And yeah, there's a cost to trying with defrosted embryos, financial and emotional, and why many would shy away from embryo adoption because they can't afford that loss.
“if we had known about embryo adoption, we wouldn’t have done IVF. We would have come straight to Snowflakes.”
And here, the clinics are profitting enormously to keep their mouths shut. There are clinics that flat out refuse to help with anything other than the full package that they sell: no donor gametes, no embryo adoptions, nope just come on in and we'll keep selling you that dream at a high price.
Button pointed me toward a little-noticed line in the Southern Baptists’ anti-IVF resolution: Parents who are struggling with infertility should “consider adopting frozen embryos” instead.
I have a lot of angry feelings towards US christian groups, but credit where it's due: (1) Snowflakes started embryo adoption before secular options existed; (2) there are many christian agencies that provide a lot of money and gifts and services to people who choose not to abort; (3) these guys are talking about it on their resolution even as they rail against IVF itself
Do you have any more information about these agencies? My parents have been trying to find some to donate time, money or other resources to, and they've struggled to find any. I will say I have no...
(2) there are many christian agencies that provide a lot of money and gifts and services to people who choose not to abort;
Do you have any more information about these agencies? My parents have been trying to find some to donate time, money or other resources to, and they've struggled to find any. I will say I have no idea how they've gone about looking, just that they complain about not being able to find any a lot.
Oh dear!! I hear about them from church, Here's on in Toronto area: Pregnancy Help Center If you PM me your parents' rough area I'd be happy to make calls and find one local to them. What a...
Your link is broken, but I googled "Pregnancy Help Center Toronto". To be clear, they're looking for a place that provides material help to single mothers who've unplanned pregnancies. Housing,...
Your link is broken, but I googled "Pregnancy Help Center Toronto". To be clear, they're looking for a place that provides material help to single mothers who've unplanned pregnancies. Housing, clothes, food, cash, that sort of thing. If I found the same place you linked, it seems like they mostly do counseling and information, which are important, but they're looking to ease the process of raising and providing for a child that you didn't expect to have.
My dad is pro-choice and hates Crisis Pregnancy Centers, although it doesnt seem like that's what the place you linked is, there are a lot of similar places in America that offer the same kinds of counseling but are really sneaky about not offering abortions so they can waste time and try to pressure women who want them to change their minds.
They're in the Gainesville area if you'd still like to make some calls. They're retired and constantly driving all over the state so it's okay if it's a bit of a trek.
I'd look for different agencies that provide support to new parents - those that do foster services and new parent classes tend to have a lot of those resources in our area. Ymmv, but most of the...
I'd look for different agencies that provide support to new parents - those that do foster services and new parent classes tend to have a lot of those resources in our area. Ymmv, but most of the Christian groups that target teens wanting an abortion have some major restrictions on behavior and lie about abortion in the process
If you're not sure which, a local (progressive) Facebook group can probably help in a way international fora can't as well.
In case anyone wants to see what a conversation at a pregnancy crisis center looks like, Borat 2 actually involved a visit to one! https://youtu.be/5nAGfEDYbLU
In case anyone wants to see what a conversation at a pregnancy crisis center looks like, Borat 2 actually involved a visit to one! https://youtu.be/5nAGfEDYbLU
[P]eople on both sides of the abortion wars are embracing embryo donation — not as a weapon, but as a uniting force. The practice has long been embraced by Christian families who might otherwise have qualms about IVF, because it can be seen as a solution to the most troubling part of the process: the disposal of frozen embryos. Lately, though, some advocates have been trying to spread the word about embryo donation beyond religious communities. Removing the Christian wrapping, these advocates say, would attract nontraditional families, raise hopes for would-be parents and promote an option that’s vastly more affordable than IVF.
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The vast reserve of frozen embryos in the U.S. — some estimate there are as many as 1.6 million — is an unintended consequence of IVF, a once-revolutionary, now-commonplace procedure pioneered in the 1970s.
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… of the roughly 133,000 embryos transferred through IVF in 2021, 2.4 percent had been donated, according to the CDC …
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Alena Wright, a neuroscience researcher in Wisconsin who runs Embryo Solution, says donation would help middle-class families who can’t easily spend tens of thousands of dollars on fertility procedures: Acquiring donated embryos costs around $10,000, compared with $20,000-$30,000 for a typical IVF cycle. “Research shows that only 25 percent of the U.S. population can afford IVF. Seventy-five percent cannot afford it,” Wright told me. “That’s shocking. That’s what motivates me. We’re not talking about a small marginalized group that’s underserved.”
The reality is that many families desperately asking for children do still choose which embryos they want to get. Embryo adoption will not be a solution to the vast majority of them, whose parents and extended family contain somebody who's neurospicy or has heart condition or whatever.
Many IF couples are so focused on achieving that first baby that they gave very little thought to this question. Many read the paperwork and nodded to options like compassionate implantation or science donation or outright destruction or donation and indefinite freezing and went on with the best of intentions. But circumstances change, and carrying out the original intentions can become prohibitively expensive, or legal issues might be complicated if the couple splits, and "life happens".
What a great person, putting her time and money where her beliefs are. And yeah, there's a cost to trying with defrosted embryos, financial and emotional, and why many would shy away from embryo adoption because they can't afford that loss.
And here, the clinics are profitting enormously to keep their mouths shut. There are clinics that flat out refuse to help with anything other than the full package that they sell: no donor gametes, no embryo adoptions, nope just come on in and we'll keep selling you that dream at a high price.
I have a lot of angry feelings towards US christian groups, but credit where it's due: (1) Snowflakes started embryo adoption before secular options existed; (2) there are many christian agencies that provide a lot of money and gifts and services to people who choose not to abort; (3) these guys are talking about it on their resolution even as they rail against IVF itself
Do you have any more information about these agencies? My parents have been trying to find some to donate time, money or other resources to, and they've struggled to find any. I will say I have no idea how they've gone about looking, just that they complain about not being able to find any a lot.
I think "many" is probably an exaggeration, based on my experience as an evangelical.
Oh dear!! I hear about them from church,
Here's on in Toronto area:
Pregnancy Help Center
If you PM me your parents' rough area I'd be happy to make calls and find one local to them. What a blessing to be able to gift time for good.
Your link is broken, but I googled "Pregnancy Help Center Toronto". To be clear, they're looking for a place that provides material help to single mothers who've unplanned pregnancies. Housing, clothes, food, cash, that sort of thing. If I found the same place you linked, it seems like they mostly do counseling and information, which are important, but they're looking to ease the process of raising and providing for a child that you didn't expect to have.
My dad is pro-choice and hates Crisis Pregnancy Centers, although it doesnt seem like that's what the place you linked is, there are a lot of similar places in America that offer the same kinds of counseling but are really sneaky about not offering abortions so they can waste time and try to pressure women who want them to change their minds.
They're in the Gainesville area if you'd still like to make some calls. They're retired and constantly driving all over the state so it's okay if it's a bit of a trek.
I'd look for different agencies that provide support to new parents - those that do foster services and new parent classes tend to have a lot of those resources in our area. Ymmv, but most of the Christian groups that target teens wanting an abortion have some major restrictions on behavior and lie about abortion in the process
If you're not sure which, a local (progressive) Facebook group can probably help in a way international fora can't as well.
In case anyone wants to see what a conversation at a pregnancy crisis center looks like, Borat 2 actually involved a visit to one! https://youtu.be/5nAGfEDYbLU
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