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Charlie Kirk's murder reveals a cultural sickness (Just Asking Questions podcast episode)

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    unkz
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    A bit understated. Kirk vehemently hated transgender people, publicly and clearly. https://www.advocate.com/politics/charlie-kirk-anti-lgbtq-quotes#rebelltitem5

    enraged by Kirk's supposed "hatred."

    A bit understated. Kirk vehemently hated transgender people, publicly and clearly.

    https://www.advocate.com/politics/charlie-kirk-anti-lgbtq-quotes#rebelltitem5

    Charlie Kirk declares that "the transgender thing happening in America" is "a throbbing middle finger to God" and then proceeds to deadname Lia Thomas and tell her "you're an abomination to God" while the congregation applauds.

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    1. DeaconBlue
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      I grew up in a church where that particular brand of hate spewing was (and is) common, but absolutely none of the people in the church consider it "hatred". They believe (and I genuinely think...

      I grew up in a church where that particular brand of hate spewing was (and is) common, but absolutely none of the people in the church consider it "hatred". They believe (and I genuinely think some of them believe it) that saying things like this is a way to show the church's version of "love".

      The logic is something like:

      • Person is doing The Thing that the community (read: church) does not like
      • Make the person feel shunned as much and as loudly as possible from the community for doing The Thing
      • Person stops doing The Thing because being alienated sucks
      • The community stops publicly berating them and invites them back into the community
      • Person joins the community and is able to get everlasting life in the glow of the deity

      I bet if you could ask Charlie Kirk, his response would be something like "I don't hate you, I hate your sins and want you to wash them away with the blood of Jesus" or something.

      That layer of internal logic redirection has been used for my entire lifetime in my hometown to try to get people to stop reading Harry Potter, or drinking alcohol, or being queer, or pick a thing. This brand of manipulation works really well in rural communities where there just aren't other groups of people to be around. If half of the town goes to the same church and you're put on public display, you can't go to the grocery store without being shunned because everywhere you go someone from the church is there.

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  2. crulife
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    In the final episode of Reason's Just Asking Questions, Liz Wolfe and Zach Weissmuller talk with Freddie deBoer (who is an American Marxist author) about Charlie Kirk and cultural sickness. It's...

    In the final episode of Reason's Just Asking Questions, Liz Wolfe and Zach Weissmuller talk with Freddie deBoer (who is an American Marxist author) about Charlie Kirk and cultural sickness.

    It's somewhat US-specific, but in many ways touches topics that are rising everywhere in the West at least. I thought the talk was quite interesting, with some kind of polar opposites on the same table talking quite sensibly. Brought a bit of hope to me at least.

    DeBoer's website is https://fredrikdeboer.com/

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