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US Immigration and Customs Enforcement plans to spend $38 billion on warehouse conversions

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  1. [3]
    DefinitelyNotAFae
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    U.S. Rep. Jamie Raskin calls Baltimore ICE facility "staggeringly overcrowded" - CBS Baltimore From his Facebook post My expectations are very low of their future facilities

    U.S. Rep. Jamie Raskin calls Baltimore ICE facility "staggeringly overcrowded" - CBS Baltimore

    From his Facebook post

    I just exercised my right as a Member of Congress to conduct an unannounced oversight visit of the ICE field facility in Baltimore. The staff I met with respected my right to visit, but what I saw was disgraceful. Kristi Noem has a budget of $75 billion she could use to ensure humane conditions, but we saw 60 men packed into a room shoulder-to-shoulder, 24-hours-a-day, with a single toilet in the room and no shower facilities. They sleep like sardines with aluminum foil blankets. Whether it’s for three days or seven days, nobody would want a member of their family warehoused there. The room set aside for dangerous criminals and violent offenders was empty. We’re demanding immediate answers and action.

    My expectations are very low of their future facilities

    16 votes
    1. [2]
      AnthonyB
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      In a similar vein, I just listened to the full interview with Seaumus Culleton, the Irish man who has spent 5 months in an ICE facility. He described some of the same horrible conditions and...

      In a similar vein, I just listened to the full interview with Seaumus Culleton, the Irish man who has spent 5 months in an ICE facility. He described some of the same horrible conditions and claimed that detainees have been killed by the staff. I recommend listening to the first five minutes of the original, but here's the two minute CBS version

      It seems like the goal is to make people as miserable as possible so that they will agree to self-deport.

      13 votes
      1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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        Thanks for that. We're not getting the voices of many of the victims of these locations The one above is a short term holding facility. The idea that the long term concentration camp locations...

        Thanks for that. We're not getting the voices of many of the victims of these locations

        The one above is a short term holding facility. The idea that the long term concentration camp locations won't be worse even if they end up being less physically crowded is a level of optimism I can't muster.

        5 votes
  2. [6]
    KapteinB
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    Archived link.
    4 votes
    1. [5]
      KapteinB
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      Should we still be using Archive.is after what we've learned about them recently? What's all of you's favourite alternatives?

      Should we still be using Archive.is after what we've learned about them recently? What's all of you's favourite alternatives?

      5 votes
      1. [3]
        balooga
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        I’ve been recommending Bypass Paywalls Clean for years but that has some barriers to entry (both technical and legal) that put it out of reach for many. It’s a browser extension, so not an...

        I’ve been recommending Bypass Paywalls Clean for years but that has some barriers to entry (both technical and legal) that put it out of reach for many. It’s a browser extension, so not an archive.is replacement that just works for everyone. Half or more of the time I’m on Tildes I’m on iOS and can’t use it myself, anyway.

        To kind of mitigate that, years ago I made an iOS shortcut that grabs the archive.is URL for whatever page is open in Safari, it’s a one-click solution. So, yeah, it’s dependent on archive.is but it’s ultra-convenient on mobile and works well. I don’t know of a reliable alternative. I agree one is needed, but when it comes to getting the word out about DHS’s horrific and secretive concentration camp project, I’m willing to hold my nose and keep using this one.

        8 votes
        1. [2]
          KapteinB
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          Can you teach us how to make that iOS shortcut? That sounds very useful!

          Can you teach us how to make that iOS shortcut? That sounds very useful!

          2 votes
          1. balooga
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            It’s a little tricky to explain so here’s a direct link to it. You have to add it to your Share Sheet. To use, hit the share icon in Safari then tap “Avert Paywall with Archive.is”. If the URL...

            It’s a little tricky to explain so here’s a direct link to it. You have to add it to your Share Sheet. To use, hit the share icon in Safari then tap “Avert Paywall with Archive.is”. If the URL hasn’t been previously archived you’ll need to hit the submit button on the form it shows you, and wait for it to scrape. So, technically, 2-3 taps but still pretty streamlined all in all. The shortcut automatically enables Reader mode, which you may or may not want.

            I’ve been using this for years without issues, YMMV. Recently I noticed that Archive.is has started blocking requests from VPN services. If you use one, the shortcut may hang. You can kill it by tapping in the iOS dynamic island. Disable the VPN and try again.

            1 vote
      2. Grumble4681
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        My opinion at the moment is that the DDoS that is known about at the moment is not causing substantial active harm. It's in adblock lists to mitigate harm from anyone using some adblock...

        My opinion at the moment is that the DDoS that is known about at the moment is not causing substantial active harm. It's in adblock lists to mitigate harm from anyone using some adblock extensions, and from what I've seen gyrovague hasn't had any interruptions of service. The people/organizations most impacted by it directly at the moment seem to be the hosting company that gyrovague uses, as gyrovague operator says their hosting plan is flat-rate and increased activity from the DDoS doesn't cost them anything, so that means the hosting company is eating the costs, whatever they may be. The cost to individual users visiting the archive site is also minimal and arguably offset by being able to access the content that they wouldn't be able to otherwise.

        Now the risk is that the operator of archive.today can change anything on the site at any moment if they wish that could be more harmful or harm others, but they could also have done this at any time anyone was using it in the past 10+ years too, and any site we visit could also do that. They're all a risk in that respect. I don't view archive.today to be that much riskier than they were before in the sense that despite their seeming mental instability on some level as displayed in their blog, the action they took here has some level of logic to follow behind it to understand what other type of actions they could take. They chose a highly unethical method of revenge for perceived doxxing, they didn't just randomly lash out at someone. I suppose there could be a number of other potential victims out there who have potentially wronged archive.today owner on some level and they could be next on the revenge list, but there's also no indication of this on their blog.

        I do think it means we should try to use alternatives if they exist, but it seems not many exist at the moment.

        1 vote
  3. [3]
    JCPhoenix
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    I'm not saying people should do this. This is criminal action, after all. And can be very dangerous to others and themselves. But I'm not surprised that some people may be taking it upon...

    I'm not saying people should do this. This is criminal action, after all. And can be very dangerous to others and themselves. But I'm not surprised that some people may be taking it upon themselves to "encourage" property owners to not work with ICE. Through drastic means.

    Though in this case, it looks like the the property owner had already decided to not work with ICE, before this woman attempted to burn down the building (or at least the facade). Of course, this was only after lots of public outcry and outrage.

    4 votes
    1. Monte_Kristo
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      There is a lot of things we shouldn't say on this topic. What I will say, is that this whole mess is completely deplorable. America should not be mass manufacturing concentration camps.

      There is a lot of things we shouldn't say on this topic. What I will say, is that this whole mess is completely deplorable. America should not be mass manufacturing concentration camps.

      7 votes
    2. balooga
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      Bad luck on her part, showing up with a news crew already on-site. Also the deal had already fallen through, so just… why? I wonder if she was operating on out-of-date info. I love the mayor’s...

      Bad luck on her part, showing up with a news crew already on-site. Also the deal had already fallen through, so just… why? I wonder if she was operating on out-of-date info. I love the mayor’s statement though:

      I am outraged by federal efforts to place 10,000 human beings in cages inside distribution warehouses in Kansas City or anywhere in our country. I'll trust the courts, our local prosecutors, and law enforcement in Kansas City to handle the offender.

      4 votes
  4. [6]
    skybrian
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    From the article: [...] [...] [...] [...]

    From the article:

    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement expects to spend $38.3 billion on its plan to acquire warehouses across the country and retrofit them into immigrant detention centers that can hold tens of thousands of immigrants, according to agency documents provided to New Hampshire’s governor and published on the state’s website Thursday.

    [...]

    Detainees would spend an average of three to seven days at the processing sites before being transported to the larger facilities, where they would be held about 60 days before being deported, according to the document. The additional detention space is necessary, the document states, due to ICE’s hiring of more agents and an expected surge in arrests.

    The documents offer the most complete picture to date of the Trump administration’s plan to overhaul immigrant detention using buildings that were originally designed for industrial purposes — an expansive effort aimed at boosting ICE’s ability to arrest more immigrants and deport them faster. Rather than moving people around the country to any detention center with available beds, the new system of warehouses is designed to funnel them into a series of large-scale holding centers where they will await deportation, ICE documents show.Ask The Post AIDive deeper

    [...]

    The Washington Post first reported on an earlier, draft solicitation document in December.

    [...]

    In recent weeks, ICE has spent more than $690 million acquiring at least eight industrial buildings in Maryland, Arizona, Georgia, Texas, Pennsylvania and Michigan, according to real estate deeds and internal ICE records reviewed by The Post. The agency has confirmed its interest in at least four additional buildings in Georgia, New Hampshire, New York and New Jersey, according to statements made by local officials in those places.Ask The Post AIDive deeper

    The government plans to hire contractors to carry out extensive renovations, turning vacant shells into holding facilities featuring lobbies, recreational space, dormitories, courtroom spaces and cafeterias. At a building ICE plans to acquire in Merrimack, New Hampshire, the agency expects to spend $158 million retrofitting the facility, according to an ICE economic impact assessment Ayotte posted to her website.

    It’s not clear which companies will be hired to renovate and operate the new facilities. George Zoley, the founder and executive chairman of ICE detention contractor Geo Group, said on a quarterly earnings call with Wall Street analysts Thursday that his company wants to be supportive of the new initiative, but cautioned that renovating warehouses would be “more complicated than you may think.”

    Geo Group once converted a warehouse into a holding center for 500 people about 30 years ago — nothing like the enormous size of the facilities being proposed now, Zoley said. “The operational implications of how you manage such a facility, particularly a large-scale facility, is going to be concerning,” Zoley said.

    [...]

    At least two other proposed deals — in Kansas City, Missouri, and in Virginia — have also fallen through.

    These cancellations have revealed how the agency has pursued the projects. The owner of the Kansas City warehouse, a firm called Platform Ventures, said Thursday that it had begun negotiating a deal to sell its warehouse after being approached by a “third-party private enterprise” that it did not name.

    Platform Ventures said it learned DHS was the buyer only once the deal got closer. When the public also learned about the buyer, the city council quickly passed a five-year ban on all new nonmunicipal detention facilities. The company said Thursday that it exited negotiations because it said “the terms no longer met our fiduciary requirements for a timely closing.”

    2 votes
    1. [5]
      tanglisha
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      How could a warehouse possibly have enough bathrooms for that many people?

      How could a warehouse possibly have enough bathrooms for that many people?

      2 votes
      1. vord
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        Based upon how things are going, it's probably going to be an unconditioned concentration camp. They'll just let their victims wallow in filth in the heat and cold. We have a moral imperitive to...
        • Exemplary

        Based upon how things are going, it's probably going to be an unconditioned concentration camp. They'll just let their victims wallow in filth in the heat and cold.

        We have a moral imperitive to stop this.

        Some choice quotes:

        I think the real number is 15, 16 million people into our country. When they do that, we got a lot of work to do. They’re poisoning the blood of our country.

        ‘They’re not humans, they’re not humans. They’re animals.’

        It was and it is Jews who bring the Negroes into the Rhineland, always with the same secret thought and clear aim of ruining the hated white race by the necessarily resulting bastardization, throwing it down from its cultural and political height, and himself rising to be its master.

        Hitler was only deporting the Jews after all.

        Edit: sources
        https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-immigrants-are-poisoning-blood-country-biden-campaign-liken-rcna130141
        https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-expected-highlight-murder-michigan-woman-immigration-speech-2024-04-02/
        https://archive.org/stream/AdolfHitlerMeinKampfENGLISH/Adolf%20Hitler%20-%20Mein%20Kampf%20ENGLISH_djvu.txt

        18 votes
      2. [3]
        skybrian
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        I don't know, but the interior probably would look rather different after spending $150 million?

        I don't know, but the interior probably would look rather different after spending $150 million?

        However, at the larger sites, the document said, “additional infrastructure” would be needed to support wastewater systems, and “numerous solutions” will be implemented. The document did not provide any more details.

        5 votes
        1. [2]
          tanglisha
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          Oop, I missed that part. I’ve always been under the impression you can’t drill/cut through concrete for plumbing, but I have no idea where I got that idea so I might have made it up. Construction...

          Oop, I missed that part. I’ve always been under the impression you can’t drill/cut through concrete for plumbing, but I have no idea where I got that idea so I might have made it up. Construction is not my forte.

          2 votes
          1. cutmetal
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            You can. They'll probably use a concrete saw or jackhammer to break a channel where the water and sewer pipes need to go, lay them, and then concrete back over the top.

            You can. They'll probably use a concrete saw or jackhammer to break a channel where the water and sewer pipes need to go, lay them, and then concrete back over the top.

            5 votes