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6 votes
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Authoritarians like Donald Trump love fear, defeatism, surrender. Do not give them what they want.
71 votes -
Thoughts on Donald Trump, America and what this all means
So this is reality. I warned myself not to take anything for granted with Trump, 2016 happened, but still I was starting to feel hopeful for a minute there. But nope, this is what America looks...
So this is reality. I warned myself not to take anything for granted with Trump, 2016 happened, but still I was starting to feel hopeful for a minute there. But nope, this is what America looks like now. For now.
This sucks for a lot of Americans, some are justifiably devastated. A lot is uncertain and we all have to figure out how to navigate this version of the country for, at least, the next 4 years. That's of course part of the insanity, that there are big questions about what happens when Trump's term is over. We kinda know there's going to be some level of a coup attempt, we just don't know if it will be successful.
But for the moment I want to put aside the myriad fucked up social, economic and geopolitical implications and explore what it means from a more ideology and identity sort of angle.
This means that we don't live in a just world. When my partner was crying last night, I think that's what she was feeling the loss of most of all. The idea that despite the imperfections of the world, somewhere underneath there is some form of justice based in the fundamentally good nature of human beings.
Intellectually it seems obvious that there is no inherent justice. But emotionally it's a different story. Speaking for Americans, it's not the story we're told growing up in the shining beacon of democracy. The concept of what America is, and who Americans are, that we translate to our childen is missing most of the nuance. And many of us keep that with us emotionally as adults, even if we know better.
The grown up version, the story we tell ourselves in American culture, has more nuance but not as much as you'd hope for. As an example, we've been pretending that giant corporations, conglomerates and the ultrawealthy can serve the public interest for an embarrassingly long time. We've made materialism into an art. A little light to medium evil in our foreign policy is just something we need to accept.
Of course the nuance isn't lost on everyone, a lot of us have a clear view of what America is, and western capitalist democracy writ large, but Trump is president, in part, because a lot of people do not. Full stop. We, as a culture, are telling the wrong stories about ourselves.
But Trump is president, in spite of his escalating rhetoric and Jan 6th and the nazis on parade and the election wasn't even close. So we have to come to terms with what that means about what America is, and who Americans are.
That's going to take time and processing and I'm not sure how that might or should look. I just want to add that this isn't new. This is the country we've been living in for some time. The only thing that's really changed is that we can't rationally tell any other story now.
It's heartbreaking but after we grieve I think we'll have an opportunity, collectively, to come to terms with what we are, good and bad. Which is of course a vital early step in the process of change.
One thing I'd like to add to the conversation, that's been said a lot and still not nearly enough, is that the enemies here are not just bigotry, or ignorance, or extremist religion or lack of security. Perhaps the biggest reason, directly and indirectly, for Trump's second term is unchecked capitalism.
I hope that, as a whole, we'll learn from this, and focus our energy on the right demons. The ones we maybe have to deal with before we can handle the others.
And also I want to say: this is sad and it feels bleak at the moment... and this grief is shared by millions. We're not alone in this. We'll get through it.
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97 votes -
How California has been ‘Donald Trump-proofing’ itself against federal reprisal
40 votes -
Ezra Klein reminisces with Jon Stewart about right wing US media, social media, the rise of Donald Trump, cancel culture and where to go from here
12 votes -
Botswana president concedes election defeat, BDP loses power after fifty-eight years
23 votes -
‘Fandom has toxified the world’: Watchmen author Alan Moore on superheroes, Comicsgate and Donald Trump
46 votes -
The misogynistic, bigoted and crude US rally remarks Donald Trump hasn’t disavowed
56 votes -
They ran for US President. What did they learn? (original from 2004)
7 votes -
Redding property manager fired after posting on Reddit that he used ex-tenant mail-in ballots to vote for Donald Trump
52 votes -
Elon Musk has been in regular contact with Vladimir Putin
65 votes -
Moldova narrowly votes to secure path toward EU membership after accusing Russia of interference
46 votes -
Donald Trump US tariffs would increase laptop prices by $350+, other electronics by as much as 40%
51 votes -
Migrant deportations to increase, says EU chief Ursula Von der Leyen
7 votes -
Donald Trump wants the US military used against Americans who don't support him
59 votes -
Donald Trump and the Joe Biden White House both say the United States should have a sovereign wealth fund – Norway, home to the world's largest, may offer a few lessons
21 votes -
Kremlin denies meddling in Moldova’s upcoming election
9 votes -
Donald Trump trials - Megathread - US Federal Jan 6 case with Special Counsel Jack Smith
Court of Appeals disclosed congressmember Scott Perry's texts re Trump, then removed them
31 votes -
Young Donald Trump appointed US judge declares centuries old qui tam case practice unconstitutional
32 votes -
US Republicans’ electoral college edge, once seen as ironclad, looks to be fading
23 votes -
Emmanuel Macron unveils new right-wing French government
25 votes -
Teamsters won’t endorse a candidate for US President in 2024
23 votes -
Finland's President Alexander Stubb has called for expansion of the UN Security Council, abolition of its single state veto power, and suspension of any member engaging in an “illegal war”
41 votes -
Donald Trump is safe after Secret Service opened fire at suspect with firearm near his Florida golf club
48 votes -
Donald Trump trials - Georgia election interference state court case - Megathread
Texts, documents hint at convicted witness bail bond business owner Scott Hall's wide ties to Coffee County breach, Trump allies ahead of trial Hall played a part in various post-election events,...
Texts, documents hint at convicted witness bail bond business owner Scott Hall's wide ties to Coffee County breach, Trump allies ahead of trial
Hall played a part in various post-election events, and he's taken a plea deal. He will testify in the Georgia 2020 election trials.
Hall's alleged involvement following the 2020 election reaches beyond the small south Georgia county. This includes personal relationships with those close to the former president.
Several media outlets, including CNN, have reported that Hall is related to David Bossie, chairman of the conservative group Citizens United who briefly led the former president's post-election legal challenges. Bossie's name appears in the Fulton indictment.
In late November 2020, David Shafer introduced Hall to a group of individuals including Robert Sinners, a current spokesperson for the Georgia Secretary of State's office who then worked for Trump's campaign. In the email, Shafer said Hall was "looking into the election" on behalf of the former president at Bossie's request.
This is described in Act 4 in the indictment, though Sinners is referred to as "unindicted co-conspirator Individual 4" by Fulton prosecutors. Sinners has since disavowed the post-2020 election activities that took place in Georgia.
Hall may also know about the letter former Justice Department official Jeffery Clark wanted to send that alleged the agency "identified significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election in multiple States, including the State of Georgia."
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Thinking out loud: A US service to help you move to where your vote will count the most
Maybe this topic is silly, but I am up from insomnia, so here it goes. I watched a piece on the news about how the election may come down to teeny tiny little town in Nebraska. I remember a...
Maybe this topic is silly, but I am up from insomnia, so here it goes.
I watched a piece on the news about how the election may come down to teeny tiny little town in Nebraska. I remember a similar situation coming to pass in the 2020 election.
There are many teleworkers now. Many of them are IT people who would be happy anywhere there is a good Internet connection.
I was thinking that a movement to get people to move to where their votes would count the most would be interesting. At least to talk about.
There could be a web site/app that would identify the potential most crucial areas, like that little Nebraska town.
Nomadic and patriotic teleworkers could then move to such places a year in advance of an election, vote, and move on if they aren't happy in those places.
16 votes -
The New York Times is a fluffer for Donald Trump on Arlington Cemetery desecration
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Megathread - Updates on the Donald Trump trial regarding classified documents
Things are starting to happen in this case also.
23 votes -
Former US President Donald Trump’s post of fake Taylor Swift endorsement is his latest embrace of AI-generated images
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What is the motivation to keep sending Benajmin Netanyahu military aide while the Gaza crisis continues?
I hope it is kosher to post this under ~talk. I know people are sick of this topic, so I put plenty of tags in to help those not interested avoid seeing this thread. FWIW, you can go into your...
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To my question.
Netanyahu has been killing people with no means of defense.
What is President Biden's motivation to keep sending military aide to Israel while Netanyahu continues to do this?
I have a few guesses, but none of them on their own or together seems to justify the political or humanitarian costs:
- Somehow it is in the geopolitical interest of the U.S. to do so
- Israel would be destroyed without military aide ( but defensive weapons can still be sent )
- The U.S. benefits from Israeli intelligence
- Congressional republicans aligned with Christian Nationlists want to see Israel live out a Biblical prophesy and it would cost President Biden politically if he were to push a decrease in military aide - assuming he could.
- President Biden might have lost Jewish American votes, BUT Jews are a minority in America and many American Jews are against what Netanyahu is doing.
Those are the possibilities I could come up with. Am I missing anything? All of these possibilities together do not seem to be worth the political cost President Biden incurred. Is there something I missed?
23 votes -
First guilty plea in Arizona fake elector case comes from Republican activist Lorraine Pellegrino
22 votes -
Former US President Donald Trump backs out of ABC debate, says he will only debate Kamala Harris on Fox
65 votes -
Though the Icelandic president's role is mostly ceremonial, Halla Tómasdóttir said that she would seek to raise “the right questions” and bring attention to critical health issues
6 votes -
The cynic and the two nations: Twenty years since Barack Obama assured us we're the *United* States of America, a new country has been building with fearful momentum. Can anything be done to stop it?
11 votes -
US Secret Service director quits after Donald Trump shooting
40 votes -
US President Joe Biden announces that he will not run for re-election
186 votes -
US President Joe Biden reportedly more open to calls for him to step aside as candidate
50 votes -
The roads to replacing Joe Biden
10 votes -
Ursula von der Leyen wins second term as European Commission president
10 votes -
Jack Black ends Tenacious D tour after bandmate’s Donald Trump shooting comment
57 votes -
US Securities and Exchange Commission sues Trump Media SPAC ex-CEO Patrick Orlando for alleged fraud
15 votes -
Donald Trump does not get post-shooting poll boost
44 votes -
Project 2025: The radical conservative plan to reshape America under Donald Trump
61 votes -
Donald Trump whisked off stage in Pennsylvania after apparent gunshots rang through the crowd
144 votes -
US President Joe Biden calls Volodymyr Zelenskyy 'Putin' right before huge press conference
41 votes -
Bernie Sanders: Joe Biden for US President
41 votes -
US history shows swapping candidates is a losing game for Democrats
32 votes -
Donald Trump is a de-facto incumbent US President ("Why I think Joe Biden decided to run again (and why he can’t really talk about it)")
29 votes -
Joe Biden's path to US re-election has all but vanished
23 votes